Abdullah: Compromise with Russia on Crimea to get its help in Syria

Element-22-Cat said:
No way. McCain is old stick and a senator buying his time until retirement. Trump is the new president. And they certainly don't dismiss something Trump says directly to Putin.

And that is ALL TRUMP and ZERO MCCAIN. Trump is driving the it.

And this is 100% TRUMP'S doing. You are making points against your own argument.

That's just an argument that tells Putin that he can't believe anything Trump says, that he's unpredictable and that he can't be trusted to do what he says.

I'm not arguing against talking, they can talk. But it is time for Trump to grow up and show some restraint and stop babbling. And most importantly he needs to formulate an actual coherent policy, Tillerson and Haley are contradicting each other and themselves, it's kindergarten hour. That's another huge problem for him, he doesn't like to do actual policy work, it bores him. He had several months to build a team and formulate a healthcare bill to present to congress, but he just sat back and let Ryan do all the work.
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it reflects genuine unsteadyness on what to do with Syria =shall Assad stay or go?

This one percolated up fast,and Trump's team is competing factions.
It's like legislation -the process of making sausage, But i do agree with what they've done do far.
limited/proportional

I long ago stopped listening to Trump -especially his tweets. You go bonkers otherwise.
But i'm good with his XO's and policies so far -and maybe he's learned that Congress is unworkable
and the WH has to lead on HC
 
anatta said:
it reflects genuine unsteadyness on what to do with Syria =shall Assad stay or go?
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Translation: Trump wanted to look like the tough guy and be seen like he was thumbing his nose at Putin, and reacted without having any coherent plan what to do next in an extremely volatile area where mistakes and impulse decisions can be catastrophic.

This one percolated up fast,and Trump's team is competing factions.
It's like legislation -the process of making sausage, But i do agree with what they've done do far.
limited/proportional
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So when Trump decided to send Assad the message 10 days ago that the US didn't consider regime change in Syria something to pursue, he and his team didn't evaluate the bloody violence and killing of civilians that Assad has done and is doing, the fact that he's used chemical weapons before, and think hey maybe he might do it again? It "peculated up fast" because Trump turned up the burner without thinking.

I long ago stopped listening to Trump -especially his tweets. You go bonkers otherwise.
But i'm good with his XO's and policies so far -and maybe he's learned that Congress is unworkable
and the WH has to lead on HC
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I thought you didn't like the XO approach. In fact I definitely remember that you didn't.

He had to learn that Congress is unworkable? For the failure of the healthcare bill Trump blamed Ryan, the Democrats, and the Freedom Caucus. And yet if you look at the actions of those three groups, well they all did exactly what they've been saying they'd do and/or what they've been doing for the last seven years. Ryan produced a piece of shit plan similar to what he has proposed several times, the Democrats rejected the repeal like they have done many times, and the Freedom Caucus did what they've been demanding for years now, fight for a full repeal. The ball was in Trump's court and he didn't want to work up any sweat actually playing. XO's are nearly effortless, they don't get debated and voted on in Congress.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
Translation: Trump wanted to look like the tough guy and be seen like he was thumbing his nose at Putin, and reacted without having any coherent plan what to do next in an extremely volatile area where mistakes and impulse decisions can be catastrophic.

So when Trump decided to send Assad the message 10 days ago that the US didn't consider regime change in Syria something to pursue, he and his team didn't evaluate the bloody violence and killing of civilians that Assad has done and is doing, the fact that he's used chemical weapons before, and think hey maybe he might do it again? It "peculated up fast" because Trump turned up the burner without thinking.

I thought you didn't like the XO approach. In fact I definitely remember that you didn't.

He had to learn that Congress is unworkable? For the failure of the healthcare bill Trump blamed Ryan, the Democrats, and the Freedom Caucus. And yet if you look at the actions of those three groups, well they all did exactly what they've been saying they'd do and/or what they've been doing for the last seven years. Ryan produced a piece of shit plan similar to what he has proposed several times, the Democrats rejected the repeal like they have done many times, and the Freedom Caucus did what they've been demanding for years now, fight for a full repeal. The ball was in Trump's court and he didn't want to work up any sweat actually playing.
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He's new T-cat. Syria popped up out of nowhere,and they just went thru a major staffing change.
You are going to have a political orgasm watching the conflicting statement -it's how trump does it.
For me -I do not care.
I like the results so far -or in HC's case the fact they had to realize the Reps are not party disciplined like the Dems.

as to XO's i mean XO's absolving existing Obama OX -yes they are obviously not a substitute for legislation.

I hope we can deal with Russia despite the Dem's hostility to Putin aligning more and more with McCain.
Cold War 2.0in Europe is the biggest danger to European security -surpassing the ME-if not lil Kim
 
illerson departed around dawn Sunday for Italy to attend a meeting of the G-7 nations, a bloc of industrialized democracies. He is due to arrive late Tuesday in Russia for his first visit there as secretary of state.

He and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov are scheduled to meet, but it is not known if the secretary of state will also speak with Putin, who personally bestowed the Order of Friendship on Tillerson in 2012.

Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia, said the Russians still hold out hope for a breakthrough, but that depends on whether Putin and Trump hit it off, not on anything Tillerson and Lavrov say.

“Things will only happen as a result of direct personal, sustained contact between Putin and Trump,” McFaul said. “That’s the way things work with Putin.”

But closer ties with Russia also carry political risks for Trump. Should the Trump administration ease sanctions *imposed over Ukraine, for instance, critics would label it payback for Russia’s *pre-election hacks targeting Democrats.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...n-645pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.9255d4ed559c
 
anatta said:
He's new T-cat. Syria popped up out of nowhere,and they just went thru a major staffing change.
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No Syria DIDN'T pop out of nowhere. Trump squeezed it out when his two top foreign policy spokespeople issued similar statements on the same day that regime change in Syria wasn't a consideration.

Your defense is pathetic. Listen to yourself..."major staffing change". He's been president for less than three months and he's going through major staffing changes??? The reason he is is because he made a gigantic mistake picking Flynn to be NSA, and his transition team has left half the state department badly understaffed.

You are going to have a political orgasm watching the conflicting statement -it's how trump does it.
For me -I do not care.
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And it is a stupid way to do it.

I like the results so far -or in HC's case the fact they had to realize the Reps are not party disciplined like the Dems.
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Bullshit, the Reps were perfectly disciplined when they voted to repeal Obamacare a bazillion times. But when it became more than just a political way to attack Obama, and could actually happen, then they start looking to cover their own asses. There are Republicans who voted many times to repeal it who are now telling touching stories about how its helped their family etc.

as to XO's i mean XO's absolving existing Obama OX -yes they are obviously not a substitute for legislation.

I hope we can deal with Russia despite the Dem's hostility to Putin aligning more and more with McCain.
Cold War 2.0in Europe is the biggest danger to European security -surpassing the ME-if not lil Kim
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I notice you didn't mention Trump's hostility to Putin. Again everyone else seems to be at fault except for Trump.
 
anatta said:
illerson departed around dawn Sunday for Italy to attend a meeting of the G-7 nations, a bloc of industrialized democracies. He is due to arrive late Tuesday in Russia for his first visit there as secretary of state.

He and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov are scheduled to meet, but it is not known if the secretary of state will also speak with Putin, who personally bestowed the Order of Friendship on Tillerson in 2012.

Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia, said the Russians still hold out hope for a breakthrough, but that depends on whether Putin and Trump hit it off, not on anything Tillerson and Lavrov say.

“Things will only happen as a result of direct personal, sustained contact between Putin and Trump,” McFaul said. “That’s the way things work with Putin.”

But closer ties with Russia also carry political risks for Trump. Should the Trump administration ease sanctions *imposed over Ukraine, for instance, critics would label it payback for Russia’s *pre-election hacks targeting Democrats.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...n-645pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.9255d4ed559c
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I thought Trump and Putin had already hit it off. You know, when they were stablemates on 60 minutes and Trump got to know Putin very well.
 
anatta said:
lol..you are relentlessly political about everything :)
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What is the name of this message board? And please, your continuous attacks against Clinton and Obama, tossing out the word relentless is rather funny.

McMaster is the new fly in the ointment
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He's actually something that Trump did right. He's a fly because he's not putting up with the idiots that Trump brought in. Hopefully lunatics like Bannon can get pushed out farther.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
What is the name of this message board? And please, your continuous attacks against Clinton and Obama, tossing out the word relentless is rather funny.

He's actually something that Trump did right. He's a fly because he's not putting up with the idiots that Trump brought in. Hopefully lunatics like Bannon can get pushed out farther.
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we have a complete disagreement then.. I was watching Morning Joe and Richard Haas ( of CFR infamy) was yammering on and on about the "grown ups"now being in charge.

McMaster is a GLOBALIST, a Russiaphobe and the kind of war lover who could very well drag us into Syria.
The Kushner kid is more of the same.. Bannon prefers working with Russia, and not going around intervening.
I'm sick of interventionism -i though you were also
 
anatta said:
we have a complete disagreement then.. I was watching Morning Joe and Richard Haas ( of CFR infamy) was yammering on and on about the "grown ups"now being in charge.

McMaster is a GLOBALIST, a Russiaphobe and the kind of war lover who could very well drag us into Syria.
The Kushner kid is more of the same.. Bannon prefers working with Russia, and not going around intervening.
I'm sick of interventionism -i though you were also
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I am not arguing for intervention. Flynn was a lunatic who should have never been anywhere remotely close to NSA. McMaster is a serious person doing a serious job. The nature of the job is to favor erring on the side of stopping the bad guys, it is up to the other departments to produce a cohesive strategy that limits the need to do so. Bannon can prefer whatever but he is a political advisor, he shouldn't be making foreign policy decisions of these kinds.
 
Element-22-Cat said:
I am not arguing for intervention. Flynn was a lunatic who should have never been anywhere remotely close to NSA. McMaster is a serious person doing a serious job. The nature of the job is to favor erring on the side of stopping the bad guys, it is up to the other departments to produce a cohesive strategy that limits the need to do so. Bannon can prefer whatever but he is a political advisor, he shouldn't be making foreign policy decisions of these kinds.
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Bannon has a world view (so did Flynn) unique from most NSC types ( and military) who were brought up
as Russiaphobes and interventionists.

The NSC is also a political entity ( giving advice to POTUS is inherently political) and I fear without those voices
Trump is gonnaget the standard crap -look at the emphasis on Syria already..

Trump excoriated interventionism (and please don't bring up Howard Stern) and in his bones is a practical
deal maker.
He's gonna get overwhelmed with interventionism advice
 
anatta said:
Bannon has a world view (so did Flynn) unique from most NSC types ( and military) who were brought up
as Russiaphobes and interventionists.
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Yeah and they are lunatics with unique views (which by the way aren't all that unique). It doesn't mean they are remotely qualified for the job.

The NSC is also a political entity ( giving advice to POTUS is inherently political) and I fear without those voices
Trump is gonnaget the standard crap -look at the emphasis on Syria already..
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Because you are misreading the situation. Syria is ALL Trump. And it has nothing to do with globalization etc.

Trump excoriated interventionism (and please don't bring up Howard Stern) and in his bones is a practical
deal maker.
He's gonna get overwhelmed with interventionism advice
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Trump is pounding his chest and playing tough guy distracting from everything else. Just like he said Obama would do when his ratings dropped. The problem is it doesn't matter what his motivation was, he's stuck his hand into a mess and pulling it out won't be easy even if he didn't really want to bust up the hive in the first place.
 
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