ABC News outs waterboarding designers

blackascoal said:
Don't you right-wingers wish you could just come out and say "Yeah, waterboarding is torture, so what? We're Americans and we can fuck over any goddamn people we choose to fuck over" .. instead of having to be the pussies that you are and having to slide yourselves and your pretense in the back door because most Americans and the entire rest of the planet thinks you are all morons?

:)

If only you had a time machine.
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Sorry, but this right winger prefers the truth, nor do I give a shit what the rest of the world supposedly thinks according to you. Although I realize that this must suck for you...
 
Strangely, someone has blanked out the names of these brave and patriotic gentlemen on the first page, so i thought it only right do the decent thing.

I urge all Americans, if you see these men, why not let them know how much you truly appreciate their efforts in preserving freedom and liberty.

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Bruce Jessen and Jim Mitchell of 'Mitchell Jessen and Associates' - providing modern torture solutions in a chaotic world. Why not call now for a quote?
 
Southern Man said:
Sorry, but this right winger prefers the truth, nor do I give a shit what the rest of the world supposedly thinks according to you. Although I realize that this must suck for you...
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:lmao:

Dude, you aren't slightly interested in truth. Who in the hell do you think you're fooling with that bullshit?

mr. emperor .. you have no clothes on and everyone can see you.

Here's some truth for the ignorant .. the United States NEEDS the rest of the world.

If you fit in that category .. the ignorant .. then I'll be more than happy to school you on why we need the rest of the world.

If you already know the US needs the rest of the world and still you make the statement you have .. then you fit in that category .. the ignorant .. anyway.

Which is it?

Are you ignorant, or are you just ignorant?
 
WRL said:
The CIA's $1,000 a Day Specialists on Waterboarding, Interrogations

As the secrets about the CIA's interrogation techniques continue to come out, there's new information about the frequency and severity of their use, contradicting an 2007 ABC News report, and a new focus on two private contractors who were apparently directing the brutal sessions that President Obama calls torture.

Psychologists Bruce ******, left, and Jim ****** shaped the CIA's interrogation program of al Qaeda detainees, including Abu Zubaydah. Both refused to speak to ABC News citing confidentiality agreements with the U.S. government.

According to current and former government officials, the CIA's secret waterboarding program was designed and assured to be safe by two well-paid psychologists now working out of an unmarked office building in Spokane, Washington.

Bruce ****** and Jim ********, former military officers, together founded ******* ****** and Associates.

Both men declined to speak to ABC News citing non-disclosure agreements with the CIA. But sources say ****** and ******* together designed and implemented the CIA's interrogation program.

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EDIT: I edited the name omissions

I am outraged by this, we can have disagreements on the policy, but outing two men who where following orders to protect America is wrong. Shame on ABC news for this stunt. This men will now be targets of the very enemies they tried, and in some instances, succeeded in protecting us from. I mean are their names not protected? Shouldn't this be a crime? I'm sure they where working for the CIA in a covert fashion. This just pis*es me off to no end. I'm officially boycotting anything to do with ABC.
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This is hysterical. Shouldn't you try to find out if they were working with the CIA In a covert fashion first? And why should they be "covert?" They created interrogation techniques. They weren't spooks. They were basically independent contractors.

And the idea that Al Qaeda types are going to go out of their way to track down these two particular American citizens is hilarious.

Moreover, I suspect that the CIA contracted this out to former military personnel because current military personnel knew that reverse-engineering interrogation techniques based on the S.E.R.E. training, which, in turn, is based on Chinese torture techniques used during the Korean War, was illegal.
 
Dungheap said:
This is hysterical. Shouldn't you try to find out if they were working with the CIA In a covert fashion first? And why should they be "covert?" They created interrogation techniques. They weren't spooks. They were basically independent contractors.

And the idea that Al Qaeda types are going to go out of their way to track down these two particular American citizens is hilarious.

Moreover, I suspect that the CIA contracted this out to former military personnel because current military personnel knew that reverse-engineering interrogation techniques based on the S.E.R.E. training, which, in turn, is based on Chinese torture techniques used during the Korean War, was illegal.
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Truth is, right-wingers and Al Queda have a lot in common.

They both love torture

They both hate homesexuals

They both hide behind religion

They both want to see chaos and destruction within the US

They both hate our "freedoms"

Did you know that churchgoers are the most likely people in America to support torture?
 
blackascoal said:
Truth is, right-wingers and Al Queda have a lot in common.

They both love torture

They both hate homesexuals

They both hide behind religion

They both want to see chaos and destruction within the US

They both hate our "freedoms"

Did you know that churchgoers are the most likely people in America to support torture?
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right wingers apparently believe in more than just your list, but since YOU get to attach labels to those you don't share ideology with, everyone but socialists are right wingers.
 
I like this article from June of 2007:

Jun. 21, 2007 * There is growing evidence of high-level coordination between the Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. military in developing abusive interrogation techniques used on terrorist suspects. After the Sept. 11 attacks, both turned to a small cadre of psychologists linked to the military's secretive Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape program to "reverse-engineer" techniques originally designed to train U.S. soldiers to resist torture if captured, by exposing them to brutal treatment. The military's use of SERE training for interrogations in the war on terror was revealed in detail in a recently declassified report. But the CIA's use of such tactics -- working in close coordination with the military -- until now has remained largely unknown.

According to congressional sources and mental healthcare professionals knowledgeable about the secret program who spoke with Salon, two CIA-employed psychologists, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, were at the center of the program, which likely violated the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners. The two are currently under investigation: Salon has learned that Daniel Dell'Orto, the principal deputy general counsel at the Department of Defense, sent a "document preservation" order on May 15 to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other top Pentagon officials forbidding the destruction of any document mentioning Mitchell and Jessen or their psychological consulting firm, Mitchell, Jessen and Associates, based in Spokane, Wash. Dell'Orto's order was in response to a May 1 request from Sen. Carl Levin, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who is investigating the abuse of prisoners in U.S. custody.

Mitchell and Jessen have worked as contractors for the CIA since 9/11. Both were previously affiliated with the military's SERE program, which at its main school at Fort Bragg puts elite special operations forces through brutal mock interrogations, from sensory deprivation to simulated drowning.

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Isolation in cramped cells is also a key tenet of SERE training, according to soldiers who have completed the training and described it in detail to Salon. The effects of isolation are a specialty of Jessen's, who taught a class on "coping with isolation in a hostage environment" at a Maui seminar in late 2003, according to a Washington Times article published then. (Defense Department documents from the late 1990s describe Jessen as the "lead psychologist" for the SERE program.) Mitchell also spoke at that conference, according to the article. It described both men as "contracted to Uncle Sam to fight terrorism."

Mitchell's name surfaced again many months later. His role in interrogations was referenced briefly in a July 2005 New Yorker article by Jane Mayer, which focused largely on the military's use of SERE-based tactics at Guantánamo. The article described Mitchell's participation in a CIA interrogation of a high-value prisoner in March 2002 at an undisclosed location elsewhere -- presumably a secret CIA prison known as a "black site" -- where Mitchell urged harsh techniques that would break down the prisoner's psychological defenses, creating a feeling of "helplessness." But the article did not confirm Mitchell was a CIA employee, and it explored no further the connection between Mitchell's background with SERE and interrogations being conducted by the CIA.

A call to Mitchell and Jessen's firm for comment was not returned. The CIA would not comment on Mitchell and Jessen's work for the agency, though the contractual relationship is not one Mitchell and Jessen entirely concealed. They advertised their CIA credentials as exhibitors at a 2004 conference of the American Psychological Association in Honolulu.

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But the declassified DoD inspector general's report described initiatives by high-level military officials to incorporate SERE concepts into interrogations. And it said that psychologists affiliated with SERE training -- people like Mitchell and Jessen -- played a critical role. According to the inspector general, the Army Special Operations Command's Psychological Directorate at Fort Bragg first drafted a plan to have the military reverse-engineer SERE training in the summer of 2002. At the same time, the commander of Guantánamo determined that SERE tactics might be used on detainees at the military prison. Then in September 2002, the Army Special Operations Command and other SERE officials hosted a "SERE psychologist conference" at Fort Bragg to brief staff from the military's prison at Guantánamo on the use of SERE tactics.

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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/21/cia_sere/print.html
 
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blackascoal said:
:lmao:

Dude, you aren't slightly interested in truth. Who in the hell do you think you're fooling with that bullshit?

mr. emperor .. you have no clothes on and everyone can see you.

Here's some truth for the ignorant .. the United States NEEDS the rest of the world.

If you fit in that category .. the ignorant .. then I'll be more than happy to school you on why we need the rest of the world.

If you already know the US needs the rest of the world and still you make the statement you have .. then you fit in that category .. the ignorant .. anyway.

Which is it?

Are you ignorant, or are you just ignorant?
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The US doesn't need the rest of the world. We could shut our borders now and refuse any trade and we'd be fine. We are lacking no natural resources.
 
blackascoal said:
Truth is, right-wingers and Al Queda have a lot in common.

They both love torture

They both hate homesexuals

They both hide behind religion

They both want to see chaos and destruction within the US

They both hate our "freedoms"

Did you know that churchgoers are the most likely people in America to support torture?
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These are all lies about right wingers.
 
Al Qaeda has always considered us weak and this only confirms it. Nothing like letting them know how we operate, is there? I can hear them laughing at us now.

WRL said:
Yes, it's wrong, and I can't see how a crime was not committed here by an Obama administration official.
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Southern Man said:
These are all lies about right wingers.
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It's basically ONLY right-wingers who support torture .. as evidenced right here on this site.

Right-wingers hate homesexuals .. self-evident.

Right-wingers hide behind religion .. self-evident.

Right-wingers support chaos and destruction in this country .. self-evident, and evidenced by right-wing comments on this site.

Right-wingers hate our freedoms .. self-evident. Don't believe Americans have the freedom to reject their ideology.

Churchgoers support torture more than anyone else.

Churchgoers Support Torture More Than anyone Else

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html
 
blackascoal said:
It's basically ONLY right-wingers who support torture .. as evidenced right here on this site.

Right-wingers hate homesexuals .. self-evident.

Right-wingers hide behind religion .. self-evident.

Right-wingers support chaos and destruction in this country .. self-evident, and evidenced by right-wing comments on this site.

Right-wingers hate our freedoms .. self-evident. Don't believe Americans have the freedom to reject their ideology.

Churchgoers support torture more than anyone else.

Churchgoers Support Torture More Than anyone Else

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html
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Repeating the lies doesn't change the fact that they are lies. Pick out one so I can hit you over the head with it. Take your best shot.
 
Southern Man said:
Repeating the lies doesn't change the fact that they are lies. Pick out one so I can hit you over the head with it. Take your best shot.
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What the fuck are you talking about?

I've already posted the truth.

You pick any one or all of them to challenge so I can slap you with more truth.
 
blackascoal said:
What the fuck are you talking about?

I've already posted the truth.

You pick any one or all of them to challenge so I can slap you with more truth.
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"Right-wingers hate our freedoms". Explain to me how Conservatives, the promoters of The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, limited government and personal responsibility, hate freedom.
 
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