SmarterthanYou
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how does the GOP control the senate? and no, GOP is a political party, the senate is a branch of government
A Third Grader Eyeing the Classroom Door
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how does the GOP control the senate? and no, GOP is a political party, the senate is a branch of government
It does not matter. The State and the Federvel has nothing to do with your and my arguments.
I'm pro-gun-control, but I think we're probably doing more harm than good by making such a big thing about school shootings. We're terrorizing vast number of children in the context of a threat that is statistically negligible.
See here:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/a01
As you can see, the highest point on that graph, for number of homicides of kids at school, was actually 30 years ago, in the 1992-93 school year..... all the more interesting because the country has grown since then. Proportionally, that year's death toll would be like 43 this year. So, if when most of those here went to school they didn't worry about being gunned down, that's ironic, since they were probably at significantly greater risk of being gunned down at school than today's kids are.
In the decade leading up to 2018/19, according to that link, we average just under 19 kids killed at school per year. That sounds like a lot, but is it?
We have about 49.4 million k-12 students. So, that's a murder victimization rate of 0.038/100k. Even adjusting for the fact they're only in school part of the year and part of the day, it works out to a murder rate of around 0.23/100k. By comparison, the overall murder rate in the US is 6.6/100k. So, kids are being killed in school at just over one-thirtieth the background rate.
Schools are actually one of the very safest places for kids. That link above confirms it. For example, in 2018-19, when 10 kids were murdered at school, 1,498 of them were murdered overall. Say they spend 1,440 hours per year at school (counting after-school activities), and 7,320 out of school (the balance of the year). Then, that year, the out-of-school murder rate for kids was 3.63/100k/year, and the in-school rate was 0.12/100k/year (each figure adjusted for proportion of the year). In other words, KIDS WERE MORE THAN 30 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED, PER HOUR, OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL.
So, with schools being such an incredibly safe place for kids -- one of the safest places they could be in a nation that's as murder-happy as the US, does it really make sense to constantly freak them out about the disappearingly small threat of a school shooting? If your kids spend their day eyeing the classroom door, that's on us. We're making them neurotic, and we're doing it in the context of one of the safest places in the country for them.
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SmarterthanYou
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what the hell are you talking about then?
SmarterthanYou
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Really?
have you had enough coffee today? or did you start drinking whiskey already?
SmarterthanYou
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why are you pro gun control?
What are you babbling about?
*Mouthing the word* I N F R I N G E M E N T*
Because the data strongly suggests that we can save a lot of lives with gun control, and I think saving lives is a good thing. I take it you're against gun control. Why?
SmarterthanYou
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i'm asking you. how do you go from comparing statements on gun laws and traffic laws being the same to then saying they are irrelevant
SmarterthanYou
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the ONLY traffic law that's an infringement is the licensing part.............after that, states have constitutional power to regulate the roadways, thus not an infringement. the 2nd Amendment, on the other hand, says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED so any gun laws are an infringement
SmarterthanYou
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federal gun control laws are acts of tyranny that violate the Constitution of the United States, therefore making the federal government tyrannical. Anyone who supports federal gun laws, therefore, support tyranny
In other words, there is no need for licenses, background checks, trainings, no age limit, no mental issue screenings and such? Might as well allow kids to own and drive cars.
Tyranny is cruel, oppressive, and arbitrary uses of government power. Here we're just talking about regulations on certain kinds of weapons -- e.g., a waiting period before you buy a gun, or a rule requiring that you be at least 21 years old, or a limit on the size of a magazine. That's not tyrannical.
SmarterthanYou
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tyranny, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. was it tyranny when californians tried to buy guns for their protection at the beginning of the 92 LA riots, only to find out they couldn't because of a 10 day waiting period? the justice system alone in this country should tell you we are living under tyranny
Definitely not. Instead, it's something that almost certainly saved some lives.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
So reads the operative clause. Simple, yet it took the Court two hundred years to decide what it means and then decide partially. Raving maniacs are people; are their rights infringed by not letting them have loaded AR-15's? Flame throwers are "Arms". Are they included?
Google "Heller on guns" and see what the state of the law is before telling the forum what it is.
So reads the operative clause. Simple, yet it took the Court two hundred years to decide what it means and then decide partially. Raving maniacs are people; are their rights infringed by not letting them have loaded AR-15's? Flame throwers are "Arms". Are they included?
Google "Heller on guns" and see what the state of the law is before telling the forum what it is.