A Quick Update on "Climate Gate" Comedy: Denialist Follies, Part Trois

you guys will never believe each other, you will argue endlessly against each others sources and will never change your minds

Yurt... this is blatantly false. They are saying/suggesting that the debate is over. They are unwillingly to look at any information that might contradict them. I have absolutely no problem with them providing data that shows man is the primary cause. The thing is... there is NO SUCH DATA. Yet they pretend there is.

Jones... the HEAD of East Anglia.... stated that the reason they think man is the primary cause is because they can't explain it via other methods. He also states that NATURAL influences in climate change is not his area of expertise.

This is from one of the primary resources of climate data in the world.
 
Cypress's unimpeachable sources.... The numbers of members of each respective NAS on the Environmental and Ecological grouping...

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences 49 (17 with no listed research experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, Russia - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Germany - ONE (no listed research experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, United Kingdom - FOUR (1 with no listed experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, Canada - ONE (no listed experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, Japan - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, China - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Italy - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, France - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Mexico - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Brazil - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, South Africa - ONE (no experience listed)

according to Cypress all of the above countries respective NAS signed off on AGW being scientifically conclusive. Yet he also states that we don't 'go to an accountant for dental work' or a 'family doctor for neurosurgery'

I wonder how it is that all these NAS signed off on this when many of them don't have ANY members that specialize in the area of Environmental Sciences and Ecology????
 
There’s not a single, solitary NeoCon on this thread that goes to accountant to fix a tooth ache.

You all rely on experts, in all facets of your lives when it comes to medicine, science, or technology.



When it comes to science, these are the rules of the game, my dim witted Climate Gate clowns:.


Right wing blogs are not acceptable links for expert scientific information.

Rightwing think tanks are not acceptable sources for expert scientific information. CATO Institute, AEI, and Heritage Foundation don’t publish peer reviewed scientific research, and they don’t have any actual reputable climate scientists on their staff. Their website says their “environmental policy” experts are accountant dudes and economic dudes. Rotflamo. You don’t see me citing “ThinkProgress.org” as my source, do you?

Links to British tabloids are unacceptable. Murdoch’s London newspapers just had to freaking grovel and apologize for lying about the IPCC.

Links to rightwing blogs run by crackpots are unacceptable. I’ve had NeoCons try to pass off websites run by mentally disturbed “mushroom researchers”, mining company stock analysts posing as armchair scientists; and some blog by a crack pot who lives on a rural farm in Oregon and who sells home schooling materials.

Laughable, lame and hopelessly outdated Wikipedia links are unacceptable. Zap destroyed that feeble effort by pointing out none of the “sources” were to peer reviewed science. It’s all opinion shit. The majority of the links predate the fourth IPCC assessment, and were based on the older 2001 IPCC assessment. And MOST importantly, the list of “climate sceptic” scientists did not include any actual climate scientists. Don’t freaking bother us with the musing of botanists, astronomers, petroleum engineers, or geologists. The only dude on that list who could plausible claim to have done actual climate research, testified once he got under oath in court, that the earth is warming and that human emissions are largely responsible.

Editorial columns from the wall street journal are not acceptable.

Non-peer reviewed articles posted on some blog, and written by some dude is isn’t an actual climate researcher, are not acceptable.

No intelligent person who has a rudimentary college education and a semi-sophisticated knowledge of science is going to accept your blather about a global conspiracy of lying climate scientists. Y’all are as bad as 9/11 truthers. Don’t ever let me catch you making fun of truthers again, your down in the dirt with them.



All I’ve ever done is post the conclusions of the most reputable and prestigeious scientific organizations who have expertise in climate, on the entire PLANET.

And EVERY SINGLE ONE of them concludes that the earth is warming, and that it is very likely humans are largely responsible for warming of the last half century.



NeoCons, you’re on deck. Your bullshit rightwing, non-scientific links aren’t cutting it. Ball’s in your court. It’s your turn to provide credible, reputable, and internationally-accepted scientific sources and organizations who support your yelps and hollers.


Take the Climate Gate Clown Challenge:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3

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:hand: BRAVO! :good4u:
 
We go to statisticians to check statistics, since the IPCC and the average climate scientists are statistical retards

Want proof? Check the CRU inquiry. It mentions the misuse
 
Again moron.... you most certainly DID cherry pick....

Your comment on #10 source was....'this is from 2001.... got anything newer'.... when it was CLEAR that there were over THIRTY other sources dated in the past five years.

Tell me moron... how is that NOT cherry picking?

You also picked out the articles from newspapers and then acted like everything listed was a 'right wing opinion piece'.... despite the FACT that there are research REPORTS on the site. This was pointed out to you, yet you ignored it.

You again try to pretend the piece written by the HEAD OF THE CLIMACTIC RESEARCH DEPARTMENT FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE is some sort of right wing propaganda. This is where your dishonesty kicks into high gear.

How is it not cherry picking? Well it's obvious to anyone who isn't a shill for the status quo...so I guess that means I'll be explaining it to you.

What I did was take a "representative sample" of your "sources" and examined them for legitimacy...and the FACT is...nearly HALF the "sources" WIKI cites are, in fact, OPINION PIECES.

You can make a big stink and call me names, but that doesn't change the FACT that a good many of the "sources" would be rejected by YOU if any Liberal from the these boards tried to use the equivalent to back up claims.

Your "sources" are a melange of outdated info, OPINION PIECES and RightWing Propaganda mixed in with just enough legitimate sources to allow you to continually whine about how I won't discuss them with you, all while ignoring the very salient points I made.
 
How is it not cherry picking? Well it's obvious to anyone who isn't a shill for the status quo...so I guess that means I'll be explaining it to you.

What I did was take a "representative sample" of your "sources" and examined them for legitimacy...and the FACT is...nearly HALF the "sources" WIKI cites are, in fact, OPINION PIECES.

You can make a big stink and call me names, but that doesn't change the FACT that a good many of the "sources" would be rejected by YOU if any Liberal from the these boards tried to use the equivalent to back up claims.

Your "sources" are a melange of outdated info, OPINION PIECES and RightWing Propaganda mixed in with just enough legitimate sources to allow you to continually whine about how I won't discuss them with you, all while ignoring the very salient points I made.
Amazingly your "representative sample" ignored only huge numbers of links that were contrary directly to what your criticism said.

You've been caught red-handed, it's only underlined and exaggerated when you try to make stupid excuses.
 
Yurt... this is blatantly false. They are saying/suggesting that the debate is over. They are unwillingly to look at any information that might contradict them. I have absolutely no problem with them providing data that shows man is the primary cause. The thing is... there is NO SUCH DATA. Yet they pretend there is.

Jones... the HEAD of East Anglia.... stated that the reason they think man is the primary cause is because they can't explain it via other methods. He also states that NATURAL influences in climate change is not his area of expertise.

This is from one of the primary resources of climate data in the world.

my comment is not false...how can something that i opine will happen in the future be false as the future hasn't happened?

come back to me in a year and grovel like a bitch because i'm sure in one year my comment will still stand :)
 
How is it not cherry picking? Well it's obvious to anyone who isn't a shill for the status quo...so I guess that means I'll be explaining it to you.

This just goes to show you know NOTHING of my position. I am most certainly NOT for the status quo you moron. I am for the shift away from fossil fuels as much as possible as fast as possible.

What I did was take a "representative sample" of your "sources" and examined them for legitimacy...and the FACT is...nearly HALF the "sources" WIKI cites are, in fact, OPINION PIECES.

No, you cherry picked those that you thought might back up your idiocy. Funny how your 'representative' sample only included ONE report... and even with that you attempted to proclaim it a right wing piece.... despite the profession of the author. You also tried to pretend that there weren't any sources newer than 2001.... again, I refer you to your reply to source #10. A point you continue to ignore. Because you are a fucking idiot and have been exposed as such.

You can make a big stink and call me names, but that doesn't change the FACT that a good many of the "sources" would be rejected by YOU if any Liberal from the these boards tried to use the equivalent to back up claims.

You pretend that articles quoting the scientists are all 'opinion' pieces. By that standard, none of us would ever read newspaper articles again. We would restrict ourselves to ONLY the FULL reports. My guess is you don't hold the same standard to articles that support your fear mongering masters.

Your "sources" are a melange of outdated info, OPINION PIECES and RightWing Propaganda mixed in with just enough legitimate sources to allow you to continually whine about how I won't discuss them with you, all while ignoring the very salient points I made.

Again you post evidence of your own ignorance. It has been shown to you many times on this thread that the MAJORITY of the sources are within the past five years. AGAIN I ask you... do you discount all sources of data that are not within the past five years that SUPPORT your fear mongering masters? No need to answer that.... we all know you are being hypocritical.

You can PRETEND the scientific reports in there are 'rightwing propaganda'. Great debating technique you have there. Rather than debating the topic or the evidence in the reports, you simply call the reports 'rightwing' and then run away to hide in some dark corner until your fear mongering masters come and get you out again for some more parroting lessons.
 
my comment is not false...how can something that i opine will happen in the future be false as the future hasn't happened?

come back to me in a year and grovel like a bitch because i'm sure in one year my comment will still stand :)

your comment was full of idiocy yurt and blatantly false. Just because you come in here and proclaim everyone to be close minded and refusing to look at all the data.... DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.

You are a childish little twit.... now do go run around in traffic and leave the discussions to the adults.
 
Cypress's unimpeachable sources.... The numbers of members of each respective NAS on the Environmental and Ecological grouping...

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences 49 (17 with no listed research experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, Russia - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Germany - ONE (no listed research experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, United Kingdom - FOUR (1 with no listed experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, Canada - ONE (no listed experience)
The National Academy of Sciences, Japan - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, China - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Italy - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, France - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Mexico - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, Brazil - NONE
The National Academy of Sciences, South Africa - ONE (no experience listed)

according to Cypress all of the above countries respective NAS signed off on AGW being scientifically conclusive. Yet he also states that we don't 'go to an accountant for dental work' or a 'family doctor for neurosurgery'

I wonder how it is that all these NAS signed off on this when many of them don't have ANY members that specialize in the area of Environmental Sciences and Ecology????

Imagine that.... Mr. 'they have to work in the specific field to have a valid opinion/theory' hasn't responded to his 'unimpeachable' sources not having relevant experience. I wonder why that is? Care to explain Cypress?

don't worry Cypress.... Mott is also ducking out and refusing to answer any of the questions addressed to him.

Typical of the fear mongering crowd.
 
Imagine that.... Mr. 'they have to work in the specific field to have a valid opinion/theory' hasn't responded to his 'unimpeachable' sources not having relevant experience. I wonder why that is? Care to explain Cypress?

don't worry Cypress.... Mott is also ducking out and refusing to answer any of the questions addressed to him.

Typical of the fear mongering crowd.


Jesus dude, I’m not on this board all day, I only spend a small amount of time here and I can’t patrol the board to find out where you are begging me to respond. I have to spread my limited time around and deal with a number of hilarious wingnuts.

I went to the National Academy of Sciences 2010 Report on Climate change, and I queried the qualifications of a few of their panel members at random. After the first three – all of whom have immepcable qualifications to contribute to a peer reviewed climate report - I just stopped bothering. You're totally wasting my time, bro.

Your yelps that the National Academy of Sciences is to inept or unqualified to publish prestigious and credible peer-reviewed reports on Climate Science is without merit. You were wrong about climate gate dude, just live with it.

Your Wikipedia links, your rightwing blog links are preposterous and aren’t remotely close to being in the same ballpark as peer-reviewed science commissioned and approved by the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council. So please stop wasting my time, next time come up with your own peer-reviewed science and your own reputable and prestigious international organizations who agree with you.....

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3



The National Academies appointed the above panel of experts to address the specific task, sponsored by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The members volunteered their time for this activity; their report is peer-reviewed and the final product signed off by both the committee members and the National Academies. This report brief was prepared by the National Research Council based on the committee’s report. For more information, contact the Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate at (202) 334-3426 or visit http://nationalacademies.org/basc or America’s Climate Choices at americasclimatechoices.org.

“A strong, credible body of scientific evidence shows that climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems”

National Research Council, National Academies of Sciences, 2010

Members of the NAS Panel on Climate Change:

Dr. Pamela Matson, Stanford University

Chester Naramore Dean of the School of Earth Sciences
Richard and Rhoda Goldman Professor of Environmental Studies

Over the past several decades, our research has focused on the effects of land use change and other human caused changes on biogeochemical processes and trace gas exchanges in tropical environments. Our work has ranged from measuring trace gas emissions and developing an ecologically based global budget for the greenhouse gas nitrous oxide to analyzing the consequences of nitrogen deposition for biogeochemical processes in tropic forests.


Dr. Waleed Abdalati, University of Colorado

My research interests are in the use of satellite and airborne remote sensing techniques, integrated with in situ observations and modeling, to understand how and why the Earth's ice cover is changing, and what those changes mean for life on Earth. In particular, my research focuses on the contributions of ice sheets and high-latitude glaciers to sea level rise and their relationship to the changing climate. Toward that end, I have been heavily involved in the development of NASA's Ice Cloud and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) and its successor, ICESat-II, and I have worked on cryospheric applications of various other satellites and aircraft instruments. Most of my research is supported by NASA, where I worked as a scientist for 12 years, before joining CIRES.


Dr. Ken Caldeira, Carnegie Institute for Science

Recent Publications
• 30 Jun 2010: Atmospheric CO2 removal (Cao and Caldeira, Environmental Research Letters)
• 24 Jun 2010: Albedo enhancement of clouds to counter global warming (Bala et al., Clim Dyn)
• 19 May 2010: National Academy report "America's Climate Choices: Science"
• 05 May 2010: CO2 physiological forcing and climate change (Cao et al., PNAS)
• 17 Mar 2010: Ocean iron fertilization and ocean acidification (Cao et al., Climatic Change)
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...I just stopped wasting my time after reviewing the home pages of these three researchers on the NAS climate panel.


http://americasclimatechoices.org/panelscience.shtml
 
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Let me illuminate posters who were easily duped by the faux climate gate scandal on how the scientific method works, and about science policy.

The individual National Science Academy members don't neccessarrily do their own climate research. But, as the nation's most respected and preeminent scientists, they are in a position and have the knowlege to put together panels of well known and reputable experts to review the science, and the Academy reports the results. NAS concludes, based on the findings of their panels of experts, that it is an established scientific fact that the earth is warming, and that it is very likely humans are largely responsible for it.

There's a reason the National Academy of Sciences doesn't use CATO institute, ClimateAudit, wikipedia links, or rightwing blogs when thy commission scientific reports and findings. . As the nations most respected scientists, they are professionally bound to utilize the most prestigious and credible scientific experts at their disposal.


Now, do climate gate clowns have any prestigious scientific institutions, and bodies of peer reviewed climate research to support your yelps? Or not?
 
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Jesus dude, I’m not on this board all day, I only spend a small amount of time here and I can’t patrol the board to find out where you are begging me to respond. I have to spread my limited time around and deal with a number of hilarious wingnuts.

And THIS folks is what you get from dishonest hacks. You call them out on their own bullshit and they pretend they have to 'patrol the board' or that you are 'begging them to respond'. Cypress is indeed the king of hacks.

I went to the National Academy of Sciences 2010 Report on Climate change, and I queried the qualifications of a few of their panel members at random. After the first three – all of whom have immepcable qualifications to contribute to a peer reviewed climate report - I just stopped bothering. You're totally wasting my time, bro.

Above we have a feeble attempt to divert from the point. Cypress claims we should not listen to scientists who do not specialize in the given field. He then posts that the National Academy of Sciences from every developed country support the fear mongering theory of AGW. I then point out that many of those countries NAS do NOT have ANYONE that specializes in the field.

I then ask him to explain how he holds THEIR opinion in such high regard while dismissing SCIENTISTS from other fields who disagree with the theory. How can these NAS sign off on something without any experts in the field Cypress. I did not say that NONE of the NAS had experts Cypress. But YOU hold them ALL up as experts, yet they are NOT. Why is that Cypress?

Don't bother answering... we all know it will be yet another diversionary attempt. You will never directly answer the question as your masters have not provided you with your words yet.

Your Wikipedia links, your rightwing blog links are preposterous and aren’t remotely close to being in the same ballpark as peer-reviewed science commissioned and approved by the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council. So please stop wasting my time, next time come up with your own peer-reviewed science and your own reputable and prestigious international organizations who agree with you.....

Again... the above is another example of a fear mongering brain dead lemming attempting to shut down the debate. He proclaims something right wing or 'not peer reviewed' yet he has absolutely NO FUCKING CLUE what is in those reports. He will instead insist that the debate is over. Despite the FACT that even the leading fear mongering scientists DO NOT THINK THE DEBATE IS OVER.

...I just stopped wasting my time after reviewing the home pages of these three researchers on the NAS climate panel.

Translation... 'yes, you busted me and I am going to continue trying to come up with some bullshit with the hope that it will make me appear less foolish'
 
Let me illuminate posters who were easily duped by the faux climate gate scandal on how the scientific method works, and about science policy.

The individual National Science Academy members don't neccessarrily do their own climate research. But, as the nation's most respected and preeminent scientists, they are in a position and have the knowlege to put together panels of well known and reputable experts to review the science, and the Academy reports the results. NAS concludes, based on the findings of their panels of experts, that it is an established scientific fact that the earth is warming, and that it is very likely humans are largely responsible for it.

There's a reason the National Academy of Sciences doesn't use CATO institute, ClimateAudit, wikipedia links, or rightwing blogs when thy commission scientific reports and findings. . As the nations most respected scientists, they are professionally bound to utilize the most prestigious and credible scientific experts at their disposal.


Now, do climate gate clowns have any prestigious scientific institutions, and bodies of peer reviewed climate research to support your yelps? Or not?

Once again our resident moron trots out the 'the experts have concluded it is FACT that the earth is warming'....

Again we all can respond.... 'NO FUCKING SHIT MORON... NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT THE EARTH HAS WARMED....'

Note.... to all the fear mongering brain dead morons like Cypress.... I suppose the head of Climactic research at the University of Delaware doesn't count right? Because THAT expert disagrees with the fear mongers, thus we will pretend he is not a part of the ' most prestigious and credible scientific experts at their disposal'.... which translated means.... 'people who agree with the fear mongering campaign of AGW'
 
This just goes to show you know NOTHING of my position. I am most certainly NOT for the status quo you moron. I am for the shift away from fossil fuels as much as possible as fast as possible.

Uh-huh, SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE YOU DO. That's why you defend the status quo every time you debate someone...because you want us off fossil fuels asap.


No, you cherry picked those that you thought might back up your idiocy. Funny how your 'representative' sample only included ONE report... and even with that you attempted to proclaim it a right wing piece.... despite the profession of the author. You also tried to pretend that there weren't any sources newer than 2001.... again, I refer you to your reply to source #10. A point you continue to ignore. Because you are a fucking idiot and have been exposed as such.

Well maybe if there were more "reports" in the choices available for perusal, then I might have selected more to browse...as it is, don't piss and moan at me because WIKI's sources are to a great degree biased and you got busted buying into their propaganda.

btw...I NEVER said there were no sources newer than 2001...my comment to source #10 was in response to information provided in...



wait for it...


SOURCE #10!


If I say that one specific comment of yours is stupid and childish, that doesn't mean I'm saying ALL your comments are stupid and childish...see how that works?? I was commenting one ONE SPECIFIC SOURCE...and your continued attempts to make it appear otherwise shows everyone how desperate you are to win this discussion at any cost.



You pretend that articles quoting the scientists are all 'opinion' pieces. By that standard, none of us would ever read newspaper articles again. We would restrict ourselves to ONLY the FULL reports. My guess is you don't hold the same standard to articles that support your fear mongering masters.


Follow along with me here...If an article states the author's OPINION...then that makes it AN OPINION PIECE. And no amount of stamping your little feet and name calling is going to change that, no matter HOW MUCH you might wish it were otherwise.



Again you post evidence of your own ignorance. It has been shown to you many times on this thread that the MAJORITY of the sources are within the past five years. AGAIN I ask you... do you discount all sources of data that are not within the past five years that SUPPORT your fear mongering masters? No need to answer that.... we all know you are being hypocritical.

You can PRETEND the scientific reports in there are 'rightwing propaganda'. Great debating technique you have there. Rather than debating the topic or the evidence in the reports, you simply call the reports 'rightwing' and then run away to hide in some dark corner until your fear mongering masters come and get you out again for some more parroting lessons.

What a surprise...more name calling...you can always tell when you're coming to the end of another SF post...he starts ratcheting up the nastiness...I'd love to debate the "evidence"...but when it is proven the "source" of said "evidence" is biased...then...WHOOOPSIE...any evidence provided by the previously mentioned "biased source" is PROBABLY going to be just as biased...at least that's what I hear conservatives complaining about all the time...how Liberal's source are all biased.
 
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Uh-huh, SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE YOU DO. That's why you defend the status quo every time you debate someone...because you want us off fossil fuels asap.

The above is a prime example of the problem with the brain dead fear mongering morons.... they don't know, nor can they comprehend the difference between....

1) I do not believe the theory of AGW is scientific fact (meaning the debate of mans influence on the climate is NOT over)

and

2) I want everything to stay the same as it is (ie... the status quo)

Idiots like Zappa seem to think that everyone must fall into one of two categories....

1) Man is causing global warming

2) I want everything to stay the same

He is too ignorant to comprehend that it is NOT a black and white issue.


Well maybe if there were more "reports" in the choices available for perusal, then I might have selected more to browse...as it is, don't piss and moan at me because WIKI's sources are to a great degree biased and you got busted buying into their propaganda.

Right... because even when the reports WERE pointed out directly... you STILL used the moronic 'well they must be right wing' and summarily dismissed them without ever bothering to read the study or the data supporting it.

So tell us... how would MORE reports help you? You would simply use the same tactics and run around stamping your feet insisting they have no merit due to their being 'right wing'.

btw...I NEVER said there were no sources newer than 2001...my comment to source #10 was in response to information provided in...

wait for it...

SOURCE #10!

ROFLMAO... wow... that has to be some of the most dishonest bullshit I have seen on this site. Which is impressive given the amount of dishonest bullshit people like Cypress shovel every day.

Tell us genius... if the comment was directed at JUST THAT SOURCE... then why even bother making it? THAT source was OBVIOUSLY from 2001 and therefore COULD NOT POSSIBLY be from ANY OTHER TIMEFRAME.

So you HAD to be referring to a lack of sources that were newer in GENERAL.

Moron.
 
Once again our resident moron trots out the 'the experts have concluded it is FACT that the earth is warming'....

Again we all can respond.... 'NO FUCKING SHIT MORON... NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT THE EARTH HAS WARMED....'

Note.... to all the fear mongering brain dead morons like Cypress.... I suppose the head of Climactic research at the University of Delaware doesn't count right? Because THAT expert disagrees with the fear mongers, thus we will pretend he is not a part of the ' most prestigious and credible scientific experts at their disposal'.... which translated means.... 'people who agree with the fear mongering campaign of AGW'


I would suggest not reading outdated Wikipedia links and jumping to any wingnut conclusions.

Hardly anyone, even people with science degrees, have ever heard of “The Univesity of Delaware Climatic Research Unit”. Here’s a tip. Any professor can set up a website and call it a “Research Institute”. Remember when you tried to give me link to the “Oregon Research Institute”, and it turned out that the “Oregon Institute” was located on a rural farm in Oregon, and run by a crackpot and his son who are more known for selling homeschooling materials than anything else? Would you please stop wasting my time by tossing crap out in the hopes it will fly under the radar? You don’t know what you’re talking about man, this is total flailing.

According to the University of Delawares climate center website, the “skeptic” scientist in your Wikipedia article isn’t even at that “center” anymore. Their website has three Delaware scientists, none of whom have posted any peer reviewed science, or anything else for that matter that I could find, on their webpage that debunks the current state of climate science, or offers plausible alternative theories. I surveyed the literature you skeptic dude has published, and in recent years he appears to be known for writing opinion articles, and writing non-peer reviewed stuff for rightwing think tanks.

Cheers, for bringing up Delaware. Thanks man. It allows me, once again, to demonstrate how pervasive, how robust, and how nearly universal the consensus is on climate change.

This is the Official Position of the University of Delaware on Climate Change, based on the Input of the Environmental Science Faculty

University of Delaware’s Official Position on Climate Change:

Scientific Evidence Shows greenhouse gases are rising. Burning fossil fuels and land clearing have been identified as the chief causes of increased atmospheric concentrations of carbon dixoxide – the principle GHG. Higher concentrations of GHG intensify the greenhouse effect. As a result, global temperatures have risen 1.3 to 1.8 degree F this century.

Climate change will influence human health, biodiversity, water resources, agriculture, etc. Delaware is vulnerable to climate change.

--From: UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE’S CENTER FOR ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY
And Delaware Climate Change Consortium

http://www.udel.edu/ceep/publicatio...ware_climate_change_action_plan/factsheet.pdf

also, this is the official position of the State of Delaware, in conjunction with local and national climate experts.

State of Delaware's Official Position on Climate Change

The evidence is overwhelming—the Earth’s climate is changing as a result of human activities that are altering the chemical composition of the atmosphere.

from: The Official State of Delaware Website

http://www.dnrec.delaware.gov/ClimateChange/Pages/WhatdoesclimatechangemeanforDelaware.aspx
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Now, with further regard to your claims that the National Science Academies of the World are not reputable and prestigious sources of information on Climate:

I did a quick check of the New Zealand National Academy of Science – known there as the New Zealand Royal Society.

Here’s a factoid you asked for further information on:

Just like the US National Academy of Sciences, the NZ Royal Society commissions their own Panel of Nationally Recognized and Presitgeious New Zealand Climate Experts, and collectively, the Royal Society and their panel of climate experts came to the same conclusion the US Academy did: it is highly likely that humans are mostly responsible for warming of the last half century.

Members of Royal Society of New Zealand Climate Committee

Dr. David Wratt, Chairman

David has a PhD in atmospheric physics from the University of Canterbury.
He has worked in the USA, Australia, and New Zealand on a range of basic and applied topics in climate and meteorology, including climate change science and impacts, mountain meteorology, and air quality. He is a Companion of the Royal Society of New Zealand, and Chair of its New Zealand Climate Committee. He is a member of the Bureau of the IPCC and a Vice-Chair of Working Group 1, which assesses the physical science of climate change.

Dr. Andrew Matthews :

Andrew Matthews has a PhD in atmospheric physics
from the University of Canterbury. He has more than 30 years research experience in environmental science and sustainable management, including extended periods of work in Germany, France and Japan. His direct research interests include environmental sustainability, climate change and ozone depletion chemistry. He has published over 130 papers on these topics.


I stopped researching after those two. Your claims that the National Science Academies of the World are not reputable sources, while you throw out Wikipedia links, rightwing blog links, and links to some outdated and laughable skeptic scientist in Delaware is preposterous. You can’t possibly ask me to waste anymore time on this. You’re obviously emotionally invested in science denial, and this stuff is so easy to debunk, it’s not even fun anymore. You were wrong about Climate Gate, you were wrong that liberal scientists are lying and fudging data. You’ll just have to deal with that somehow.

Finally, I write with economy of language, just like everyone else. Just so you know, I'm not going to write:

A Panel of Nationally Acclaimed Climate Experts convened and commissioned to work for the US National Academy of Sciences has concluded, as reported on the Academy's website, that it is an established scientific fact that the earth is warming, and humans are very likely to be mostly responsible.

I'm going to write:

the National Academy of Sciences has concluded humans are warming the planet.

Hopefully that's crystal clear to you. The National Academy, and it's Panels of Experts, are used interchangeably by me and every other intelligent person.


Now, I am officially closing the contest....

After one month, the Climate Gate Clown Challenge is now officially closed. No Tea Bag Partier was ever able to step up to the challenge.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3


My work here is done.
 
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Let me illuminate posters who were easily duped by the faux climate gate scandal on how the scientific method works, and about science policy.

The individual National Science Academy members don't neccessarrily do their own climate research. But, as the nation's most respected and preeminent scientists, they are in a position and have the knowlege to put together panels of well known and reputable experts to review the science, and the Academy reports the results. NAS concludes, based on the findings of their panels of experts, that it is an established scientific fact that the earth is warming, and that it is very likely humans are largely responsible for it.

There's a reason the National Academy of Sciences doesn't use CATO institute, ClimateAudit, wikipedia links, or rightwing blogs when thy commission scientific reports and findings. . As the nations most respected scientists, they are professionally bound to utilize the most prestigious and credible scientific experts at their disposal.


Now, do climate gate clowns have any prestigious scientific institutions, and bodies of peer reviewed climate research to support your yelps? Or not?

Please allow me to 'illuminate' you... no, actually, let me light that ass up one good time... ALL of your supporting arguments for man-made global warming, are predicated on false data that was manipulated and made to appear as it did, to support the theory. That has been exposed, and now you are all running around in a panic, waving these studies done on false pretense around, claiming they are still legitimate proof of something, when that is asinine on it's face. You might get some really stupid people to buy your phony baloney theory now, and I guess that is what you're after, but I hate to tell you, it won't be enough to make a difference. The overwhelming majority realizes the bloom is off the rose now, and your little theory has been discredited for the fraudulent load of crap it always was.
 
I would suggest not reading outdated Wikipedia links and jumping to any wingnut conclusions.

Hardly anyone, even people with science degrees, have ever heard of “The Univesity of Delaware Climatic Research Unit”. Here’s a tip. Any professor can set up a website and call it a “Research Institute”. Remember when you tried to give me link to the “Oregon Research Institute”, and it turned out that the “Oregon Institute” was located on a rural farm in Oregon, and run by a crackpot and his son who are more known for selling homeschooling materials than anything else? Would you please stop wasting my time by tossing crap out in the hopes it will fly under the radar? You don’t know what you’re talking about man, this is total flailing.

According to the University of Delawares climate center website, the “skeptic” scientist in your Wikipedia article isn’t even at that “center” anymore. Their website has three Delaware scientists, none of whom have posted any peer reviewed science, or anything else for that matter that I could find, on their webpage that debunks the current state of climate science, or offers plausible alternative theories. I surveyed the literature you skeptic dude has published, and in recent years he appears to be known for writing opinion articles, and writing non-peer reviewed stuff for rightwing think tanks.

Cheers, for bringing up Delaware. Thanks man. It allows me, once again, to demonstrate how pervasive, how robust, and how nearly universal the consensus is on climate change.

This is the Official Position of the University of Delaware on Climate Change, based on the Input of the Environmental Science Faculty



also, this is the official position of the State of Delaware, in conjunction with local and national climate experts.


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Now, with further regard to your claims that the National Science Academies of the World are not reputable and prestigious sources of information on Climate:

I did a quick check of the New Zealand National Academy of Science – known there as the New Zealand Royal Society.

Here’s a factoid you asked for further information on:

Just like the US National Academy of Sciences, the NZ Royal Society commissions their own Panel of Nationally Recognized and Presitgeious New Zealand Climate Experts, and collectively, the Royal Society and their panel of climate experts came to the same conclusion the US Academy did: it is highly likely that humans are mostly responsible for warming of the last half century.




I stopped researching after those two. Your claims that the National Science Academies of the World are not reputable sources, while you throw out Wikipedia links, rightwing blog links, and links to some outdated and laughable skeptic scientist in Delaware is preposterous. You can’t possibly ask me to waste anymore time on this. You’re obviously emotionally invested in science denial, and this stuff is so easy to debunk, it’s not even fun anymore. You were wrong about Climate Gate, you were wrong that liberal scientists are lying and fudging data. You’ll just have to deal with that somehow.

Finally, I write with economy of language, just like everyone else. Just so you know, I'm not going to write:

A Panel of Nationally Acclaimed Climate Experts convened and commissioned to work for the US National Academy of Sciences has concluded, as reported on the Academy's website, that it is an established scientific fact that the earth is warming, and humans are very likely to be mostly responsible.

I'm going to write:

the National Academy of Sciences has concluded humans are warming the planet.

Hopefully that's crystal clear to you. The National Academy, and it's Panels of Experts, are used interchangeably by me and every other intelligent person.


Now, I am officially closing the contest....

After one month, the Climate Gate Clown Challenge is now officially closed. No Tea Bag Partier was ever able to step up to the challenge.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3


My work here is done.

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