A Quick Update on "Climate Gate" Comedy: Denialist Follies, Part Trois

Cypress

Well-known member
“Climate Gate”” – much like the lies and mistruths that led to the Iraq Invasion – was based on fabrications, misquotes, smears, cherry pickings, deception, and willful ignorance.

Who could have predicted?

“Climategate was a fabricated noncontroversy that didn't have any influence on the veracity of the findings. That has been confirmed by independent review."

Newspapers Retract 'Climategate' Claims…Apologize for IPCC Smears

Newsweek
Science Editor

A lie can get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on, as Mark Twain said (or “before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on,” in Winston Churchill’s version), and nowhere has that been more true than in "climategate." In that highly orchestrated, manufactured scandal, e-mails hacked from computers at the University of East Anglia’s climate-research group were spread around the Web by activists who deny that human activity is altering the world’s climate in a dangerous way, and spun so as to suggest that the scientists had been lying, cheating, and generally cooking the books.

CRU Scientists and Dr. Michael Mann Completely Exonerated

But not only did British investigators clear the East Anglia scientist at the center of it all, Phil Jones, of scientific impropriety and dishonesty in April, an investigation at Penn State cleared PSU climatologist Michael Mann of “falsifying or suppressing data, intending to delete or conceal e-mails and information, and misusing privileged or confidential information” in February.

Times of London Apologizes for Smearing IPCC

In perhaps the biggest backpedaling, The Sunday Times of London, which led the media pack in charging that IPCC reports were full of egregious (and probably intentional) errors, retracted its central claim—namely, that the IPCC statement that up to 40 percent of the Amazonian rainforest could be vulnerable to climate change was “unsubstantiated.”

The Times also admitted that it had totally twisted the remarks of one forest expert to make it sound as if he agreed that the IPCC had screwed up, when he said no such thing.

The Times's criticism of the IPCC—look, its reports are full of mistakes and shoddy scholarship!—was widely picked up at the time it ran…

In another retraction you never heard of, a paper in Frankfurt took back (apologies; the article is available only in German) its reporting that the IPCC had erred in its assessment of climate impacts in Africa.

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-g...climategate-claims-but-damage-still-done.html

The Faux Climate Gate “Scandal”:
For Climate Gate Clown / Science Denier Comedy, refer to:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=25538
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=25214


Climate Change is Now Worst Than Feared….

National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC): Arctic melt passes the point of no return, “We hate to say we told you so, but we did”

annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco by top cryosphere scientists:

Scientists have found the first unequivocal evidence that the Arctic region is warming at a faster rate than the rest of the world at least a decade before it was predicted to happen.

Climate-change researchers have found that air temperatures in the region are higher than would be normally expected during the autumn because the increased melting of the summer Arctic sea ice is accumulating heat in the ocean. The phenomenon, known as Arctic amplification, was not expected to be seen for at least another 10 or 15 years and the findings will further raise concerns that the Arctic has already passed the climatic tipping-point towards ice-free summers, beyond which it may not recover.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...t-passes-the-point-of--no-return-1128197.html

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20081002_seaice_pressrelease.html

EVERY SINGLE Reputable and Recognized Scientific Organization on the Entire Planet Concurs that Recent Climate Change is Largely Linked to Human Activities…and Puts Us at Risk of Severe Consequences

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3

Not One Single, Solitary Reputable Science Organization on the Planet Agrees with the Assertions of the Climate Gate Clowns and Science Deniers.

Standing Challenge Still in Effect for Climate Gate Clowns……..at…….

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3


Poll Question: Which Group of Dupes Will Be Most Harshly Judged by History?

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The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change misled the press and public into believing that thousands of scientists backed its claims on manmade global warming, according to Mike Hulme, a prominent climate scientist and IPCC insider. The actual number of scientists who backed that claim was “only a few dozen experts,” he states in a paper for Progress in Physical Geography, co-authored with student Martin Mahony.

“Claims such as ‘2,500 of the world’s leading scientists have reached a consensus that human activities are having a significant influence on the climate’ are disingenuous,” the paper states unambiguously, adding that they rendered “the IPCC vulnerable to outside criticism.”

Hulme, Professor of Climate Change in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia – the university of Climategate fame — is the founding Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and one of the UK’s most prominent climate scientists. Among his many roles in the climate change establishment, Hulme was the IPCC’s co-ordinating Lead Author for its chapter on ‘Climate scenario development’ for its Third Assessment Report and a contributing author of several other chapters.

Hulme’s depiction of IPCC’s exaggeration of the number of scientists who backed its claim about man-made climate change can be found on pages 10 and 11 of his paper, found here.


Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...e-was-phoney-says-ipcc-insider/#ixzz0s6Id78SI


http://www.probeinternational.org/Hulme-Mahony-PiPG[1].pdf
 
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Hulme, Professor of Climate Change in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia – the university of Climategate fame — is the founding Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and one of the UK’s most prominent climate scientists. Among his many roles in the climate change establishment, Hulme was the IPCC’s co-ordinating Lead Author for its chapter on ‘Climate scenario development’ for its Third Assessment Report and a contributing author of several other chapters.

The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change misled the press and public into believing that thousands of scientists backed its claims on manmade global warming, according to Mike Hulme, a prominent climate scientist and IPCC insider.

Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...e-was-phoney-says-ipcc-insider/#ixzz0s6TSa2dV

Hulme’s depiction of IPCC’s exaggeration of the number of scientists who backed its claim about man-made climate change can be found on pages 10 and 11 of his paper, found here.


Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...e-was-phoney-says-ipcc-insider/#ixzz0s6Id78SI


http://www.probeinternational.org/Hulme-Mahony-PiPG[1].pdf

Wow.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

How does one know that some weird ass link to some webpage no one’s ever heard of is either full of lies, or just factually wrong?

When a jpp.com rightwinger posts it.

Yo, dude. The professor you are citing went out of his way on his homepage to respond to this shit. He says your rightwing cyber links are lying and misrepresenting.

He also says that the evidence is unequivocal that the earth is warming and that humans are very likely responsilble for it.


Man, that's embarrassing. Your own scientist - the one you are citing to support your science denier position - just shot you down. HaHa. Man, this is getting ridiculous.

How come EVERYTIME I do a second of research on these bullshit posts you wingnuts give me, they're always packed with lies. Is lying congenital with you dudes? Or, are you just to stupid to see through the lies, aka like in the Iraq War.

Would you please stop fucking wasting my time with ClimateAudit, Redstate.org, and a bunch of other bullshit links to obscure blogs, editorial columns, and wingnut shit that no one's ever hear of?


Correcting and Clarifying Hulme and Mahony on the IPCC Consensus

by Dr. Hulme
June 1010

Various newspaper and internet blogs are reporting me as saying that the IPCC has ‘misled the press and public into believing that thousands of scientists backed its claims on manmade global warming’ whereas in fact only ‘a few dozen experts’ did so. This story emanates from an article, in press with Progress in Physical Geography and posted on my website

http://mikehulme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Hulme-Mahony-PiPG.pdf, which reviews 20 years of published literature on the nature of the IPCC and its functions and governance. The relevant section from this paper is the following, which is part of a longer discussion about the nature of uncertainty and consensus in the IPCC assessments ...


Three things should be clear from this.

First, I did not say the ‘IPCC misleads’ anyone – it is claims that are made by other commentators, such as the caricatured claim I offer in the paper, that have the potential to mislead. Second, they have a potential to mislead if they give the impression that every statement in IPCC reports is ‘signed off’ by every IPCC author and reviewer. Patently they are not, and cannot. Third, it is the chapter lead authors – say 10 to 20 experts - on detection and attribution who craft the sentence about detection and attribution, which is then scrutinised and vetted by reviewers and government officials. Similarly, statements about what may happen to the meridional overturning circulation (MOC) of the ocean are crafted by those expert in ocean science, statements about future sea-level rise by sea-level experts, and so on.

http://mikehulme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Correcting-reports-of-the-PiPG-paper.pdf




Here, Dr. Hulme goes on to say how the reich wing media, and science deniers misquoted and misrepresented him; i.e., they lied.



Now, Science Denier Bravo has presented Dr. Hulme to support Bravo’s science-denier position.

What does Dr. Hulme say about climate change?

”And for the record ... I believe that the warming of the climate system is unequivocal and that most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid 20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.

Mike Hulme, Norwich
16 June 2010


There you have it folks.

The scientist that Bravo himself presented to support the position of the Climate Gate clowns, not only calls Bravo and this reich wing media Liars….but Bravo’s own scientist says that it is unequivocal that the earth is warming and the it is very likely due to humans.


"Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for — and in many cases is already affecting — a broad range of human and natural systems,"

-U.S. National Research Council, 2010


Climate Gate clowns provide links to obscure blogs no one’s ever heard of. And, as is demonstrated above, these blogs and links are full of lies and propaganda.

Here’s the world-class, reputable science organizations I post. I wonder why you can NEVER come up with a link that is either scientifically credible, let alone not full of lies.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3
 
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Wow.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

How does one know that some weird ass link to some webpage no one’s ever heard of is either full of lies, or just factually wrong?

When a jpp.com rightwinger posts it.

Yo, dude. The professor you are citing went out of his way on his homepage to respond to this shit. He says your rightwing cyber links are lying and misrepresenting.

He also says that the evidence is unequivocal that the earth is warming and that humans are very likely responsilble for it.


Man, that's embarrassing. Your own scientist - the one you are citing to support your science denier position - just shot you down. HaHa. Man, this is getting ridiculous.

How come EVERYTIME I do a second of research on these bullshit posts you wingnuts give me, they're always packed with lies. Is lying congenital with you dudes? Or, are you just to stupid to see through the lies, aka like in the Iraq War.

Would you please stop fucking wasting my time with ClimateAudit, Redstate.org, and a bunch of other bullshit links to obscure blogs, editorial columns, and wingnut shit that no one's ever hear of?







Here, Dr. Hulme goes on to say how the reich wing media, and science deniers misquoted and misrepresented him; i.e., they lied.




Now, Science Denier Bravo has presented Dr. Hulme to support Bravo’s science-denier position.

What does Dr. Hulme say about climate change?




There you have it folks.

The scientist that Bravo himself presented to support the position of the Climate Gate clowns, not only calls Bravo and this reich wing media Liars….but Bravo’s own scientist says that it is unequivocal that the earth is warming and the it is very likely due to humans.





Climate Gate clowns provide links to obscure blogs no one’s ever heard of. And, as is demonstrated above, these blogs and links are full of lies and propaganda.

Here’s the world-class, reputable science organizations I post. I wonder why you can NEVER come up with a link that is either scientifically credible, let alone not full of lies.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3
Scientist 1, wingnut science deniers 0. Complete pwnge by Cypress.
 
Global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Attribution of climate change, based on Meehl et al. (2004), which represents the consensus view

Individuals in this section conclude that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.
* Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity...Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated...Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."[17][18][19]

* Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: "[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air."[20]

* David Bellamy, botanist, believes that climate change is part of the Earth's natural cycle and that such changes have been seen before. Says Bellamy, "The sun is getting old and it is getting warmer all the time but we do have cycles of sun spots and when those sun spots come the effect is to warm the Earth up and warm the atmosphere."[21]

* George V. Chilingar, Professor of Civil and Petroleum Engineering at the University of Southern California: "The authors identify and describe the following global forces of nature driving the Earth’s climate: (1) solar radiation ..., (2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases to the World Ocean and the atmosphere, and, possibly, (3) microbial activities ... . The writers provide quantitative estimates of the scope and extent of their corresponding effects on the Earth’s climate [and] show that the human-induced climatic changes are negligible."[22]

* Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: "That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[23]

* Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."[24]

* David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester: "The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming."[25]

* Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University: "global warming since 1900 could well have happened without any effect of CO2. If the cycles continue as in the past, the current warm cycle should end soon and global temperatures should cool slightly until about 2035"[26]

* William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of The Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University: "This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations. Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood. Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes. We are not that influential."[27] "I am of the opinion that [global warming] is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people."[28] "So many people have a vested interest in this global-warming thing—all these big labs and research and stuff. The idea is to frighten the public, to get money to study it more."[29]

* William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University: "all the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it's not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide"[30]

* William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."[31]

* David Legates, associate professor of geography and direct
or of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware: "About half of the warming during the 20th century occurred prior to the 1940s, and natural variability accounts for all or nearly all of the warming."[32]

* Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: global warming "is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole"[33]

* Tim Patterson[34], paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada: "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years. On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"[35][36]

* Ian Plimer, Professor emeritus of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide: "We only have to have one volcano burping and we have changed the whole planetary climate... It looks as if carbon dioxide actually follows climate change rather than drives it".[37]

* Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo: "The IPCC's temperature curve (the so-called 'hockey stick' curve) must be in error...human influence on the 'Greenhouse Effect' is minimal (maximum 4%). Anthropogenic CO2 amounts to 4% of the ~2% of the "Greenhouse Effect", hence an influence of less than 1 permil of the Earth's total natural 'Greenhouse Effect' (some 0.03°C of the total ~33°C)."[38]

* Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University, wrote a booklet proposing a phenomenological theory of climate change based on the physical properties of the data. Scafetta describes his conclusions writing "At least 60% of the warming of the Earth observed since 1970 appears to be induced by natural cycles which are present in the solar system. A climatic stabilization or cooling until 2030-2040 is forecast by the phenomenological model." [39] [40]

* Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem: "[T]he truth is probably somewhere in between [the common view and that of skeptics], with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. ... [A]bout 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming [over the past century] should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes." His opinion is based on some proxies of solar activity over the past few centuries.[41]

* Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia: "The greenhouse effect is real. However, the effect is minute, insignificant, and very difficult to detect."[42][43] “It’s not automatically true that warming is bad, I happen to believe that warming is good, and so do many economists.”[44]

* Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics: "[T]here's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."[45]

* Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville: "I predict that in the coming years, there will be a growing realization among the global warming research community that most of the climate change we have observed is natural, and that mankind’s role is relatively minor".[46]

* Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London: "...the myth is starting to implode. ... Serious new research at The Max Planck Society has indicated that the sun is a far more significant factor..."[47]

* Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center: "Our team ... has discovered that the relatively few cosmic rays that reach sea-level play a big part in the everyday weather. They help to make low-level clouds, which largely regulate the Earth’s surface temperature. During the 20th Century the influx of cosmic rays decreased and the resulting reduction of cloudiness allowed the world to warm up. ... most of the warming during the 20th Century can be explained by a reduction in low cloud cover."[48]

* Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa: "At this stage, two scenarios of potential human impact on climate appear feasible: (1) the standard IPCC model ..., and (2) the alternative model that argues for celestial phenomena as the principal climate driver. ... Models and empirical observations are both indispensable tools of science, yet when discrepancies arise, observations should carry greater weight than theory. If so, the multitude of empirical observations favours celestial phenomena as the most important driver of terrestrial climate on most time scales, but time will be the final judge."[49]


Cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section conclude that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.
* Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and Founding Director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks: "[T]he method of study adopted by the International Panel of Climate Change (IPCC) is fundamentally flawed, resulting in a baseless conclusion: Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations. Contrary to this statement ..., there is so far no definitive evidence that 'most' of the present warming is due to the greenhouse effect. ... [The IPCC] should have recognized that the range of observed natural changes should not be ignored, and thus their conclusion should be very tentative. The term 'most' in their conclusion is baseless."[50]

* Claude Allègre, geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris): "The increase in the CO2 content of the atmosphere is an observed fact and mankind is most certainly responsible. In the long term, this increase will without doubt become harmful, but its exact role in the climate is less clear. Various parameters appear more important than CO2. Consider the water cycle and formation of various types of clouds, and the complex effects of industrial or agricultural dust. Or fluctuations of the intensity of the solar radiation on annual and century scale, which seem better correlated with heating effects than the variations of CO2 content."[51]

* Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University: "t is very likely that the recent upward trend [in global surface temperature] is very real and that the upward signal is greater than any noise introduced from uncertainties in the record. However, the general error is most likely to be in the warming direction, with a maximum possible (though unlikely) value of 0.3 °C. ... At this moment in time we know only that: (1) Global surface temperatures have risen in recent decades. (2) Mid-tropospheric temperatures have warmed little over the same period. (3) This difference is not consistent with predictions from numerical climate models."[52]

* John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports: "I'm sure the majority (but not all) of my IPCC colleagues cringe when I say this, but I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see. Rather, I see a reliance on climate models (useful but never "proof") and the coincidence that changes in carbon dioxide and global temperatures have loose similarity over time."[53]

* Petr Chylek, Space and Remote Sensing Sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory: "carbon dioxide should not be considered as a dominant force behind the current warming...how much of the [temperature] increase can be ascribed to CO2, to changes in solar activity, or to the natural variability of climate is uncertain"[54]

* David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma: "The amount of climatic warming that has taken place in the past 150 years is poorly constrained, and its cause – human or natural – is unknown. There is no sound scientific basis for predicting future climate change with any degree of certainty. If the climate does warm, it is likely to be beneficial to humanity rather than harmful. In my opinion, it would be foolish to establish national energy policy on the basis of misinformation and irrational hysteria."[55]

* Ross McKitrick, Assistant Professor in the Department of Economics at the University of Guelph, Ontario. His research found a strong correlation between surface temperature data and a nation's gross domestic product. A regression analysis revealed that a state's GDP explained about half of the warming over the observed period.[56] Mckitrick has remarked, "I have been probing the arguments for global warming for well over a decade. In collaboration with a lot of excellent coauthors I have consistently found that when the layers get peeled back, what lies at the core is either flawed, misleading or simply non-existent. ... I get exasperated with fellow academics, and others who ought to know better, who pile on to the supposed global warming consensus without bothering to investigate any of the glaring scientific discrepancies and procedural flaws."[57]


Alll of the above have been provided to mister 'it is scientific FACT that man is causing global warming, i mean climate change, I mean... well whatever my masters tell me it means right now'. None have been refuted.

Has the earth warmed? yes.

Is man the primary cause of it... debatable

Have fear mongers like the leg humping stalkers idol Al Gore grossly exaggerated the 'crisis' for personal gain? Absolutely.

But keep clinging to the so called 'independent' reviews of the reports. Nothing like government agencies clearing themselves or appointing 'independent' panels to clear them.

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Global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Attribution of climate change, based on Meehl et al. (2004), which represents the consensus view

Individuals in this section conclude that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.



Cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section conclude that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.


Alll of the above have been provided to mister 'it is scientific FACT that man is causing global warming, i mean climate change, I mean... well whatever my masters tell me it means right now'. None have been refuted.

Has the earth warmed? yes.

Is man the primary cause of it... debatable

Have fear mongers like the leg humping stalkers idol Al Gore grossly exaggerated the 'crisis' for personal gain? Absolutely.

But keep clinging to the so called 'independent' reviews of the reports. Nothing like government agencies clearing themselves or appointing 'independent' panels to clear them.

:cof1:Its the ole "If you don't believe me, just ask me", defense....

the liberal way....the investigate themselves and find no wrong doing...will DUH....
 
BP's oil spill is going to cool the environment by reducing the amount of evaporation and decreasing the amount or rainfall and storms.
 
Global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Attribution of climate change, based on Meehl et al. (2004), which represents the consensus view

Individuals in this section conclude that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.



Cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section conclude that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.


Alll of the above have been provided to mister 'it is scientific FACT that man is causing global warming, i mean climate change, I mean... well whatever my masters tell me it means right now'. None have been refuted.

Has the earth warmed? yes.

Is man the primary cause of it... debatable

Have fear mongers like the leg humping stalkers idol Al Gore grossly exaggerated the 'crisis' for personal gain? Absolutely.

But keep clinging to the so called 'independent' reviews of the reports. Nothing like government agencies clearing themselves or appointing 'independent' panels to clear them.

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free [email]encyclopedia
Don't provide him with actual peer review! OMFG!

Now he'll have to post some more "reviewed" work where the scientist themselves reviews a paper they co-authored and then they'll hold an "independent review" where scientists who are paid for their work in "Global Warming" will review work and tell you that it is important to pay them more money to continue work in "Global Warming"...
 
Global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Attribution of climate change, based on Meehl et al. (2004), which represents the consensus view

Individuals in this section conclude that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.



Cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section conclude that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.


Alll of the above have been provided to mister 'it is scientific FACT that man is causing global warming, i mean climate change, I mean... well whatever my masters tell me it means right now'. None have been refuted.

Has the earth warmed? yes.

Is man the primary cause of it... debatable

Have fear mongers like the leg humping stalkers idol Al Gore grossly exaggerated the 'crisis' for personal gain? Absolutely.

But keep clinging to the so called 'independent' reviews of the reports. Nothing like government agencies clearing themselves or appointing 'independent' panels to clear them.

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You TELL him!! Because there's no site like WIKIPEDIA for unimpeachable, irrefutable evidence!

I mean, Wikipedia isn't just some site where any schmo off the street with some political axe to grind can go and post almost ANYTHING and pass it off as fact...NO, i'ts much more reputable.
 
You TELL him!! Because there's no site like WIKIPEDIA for unimpeachable, irrefutable evidence!

I mean, Wikipedia isn't just some site where any schmo off the street with some political axe to grind can go and post almost ANYTHING and pass it off as fact...NO, i'ts much more reputable.

Hey moron...note... the above scientists all have little numbers next to their positions... those are called REFERENCES.... now go to the bottom of the page and look up the REFERENCES. There you will find the source material.

I understand your knee jerk reaction is to apologize and make excuses for your masters... but do try to pull your head out of their collective asses long enough to get a breath of fresh air and a chance to look at the site before you cram it back up in there.
 
You TELL him!! Because there's no site like WIKIPEDIA for unimpeachable, irrefutable evidence!

I mean, Wikipedia isn't just some site where any schmo off the street with some political axe to grind can go and post almost ANYTHING and pass it off as fact...NO, i'ts much more reputable.

can you actually dispute anything from the wiki article? or are you here just to run your dirty mouth....
 
Hey moron...note... the above scientists all have little numbers next to their positions... those are called REFERENCES.... now go to the bottom of the page and look up the REFERENCES. There you will find the source material.

I understand your knee jerk reaction is to apologize and make excuses for your masters... but do try to pull your head out of their collective asses long enough to get a breath of fresh air and a chance to look at the site before you cram it back up in there.

Zip couldn't get his head out of his ass, if there was a special on rectal/cranium extractions and the Doctor had a tractor, a tree, and two chains.
 
Not that crypiss will read it, but here's the Lean tsi criticisms.
http://radaris.com/US/show-people/?...://www.leif.org/research/2008GL036307-pip.pdf

From the conclusion

Conclusions
An independent evaluation of the ACRIM-gap problem has been made using the recently
published TSI proxy model of Krivova et al. [2007]. Within the uncertainty of the model
we have concluded that the data support the view that TSI increased significantly (by
about 0.033 %) between the successive solar minima of 1986 and 1996, confirming the
trend found by the ACRIM TSI composite and contradicting the absence of a TSI trend in
the PMOD and the KBS07 proxy model.
The corrections made by Frohlich to the Nimbus7/ERB results during the ACRIM-gap
for the PMOD composite are clearly not supported. It should be pointed out that the
Nimbus7/ERB science team did not detect Frohlich’s proposed sensitivity changes during
a thorough re-evaluation of the experiment near the end of its mission [Hoyt & Kyle,
1992] and have recently rejected them explicitly [Hoyt, 2008].
 
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Hey moron...note... the above scientists all have little numbers next to their positions... those are called REFERENCES.... now go to the bottom of the page and look up the REFERENCES. There you will find the source material.

I understand your knee jerk reaction is to apologize and make excuses for your masters... but do try to pull your head out of their collective asses long enough to get a breath of fresh air and a chance to look at the site before you cram it back up in there.

Alrightie then...lets take a look at some of your "References":

#5-8...ALL OPINION PIECES

#10...an article from a DECADE ago...got anything more recent?

#11-12...MORE opinion pieces...

#23...listed as a "letter to the editor"...click it and it says "404 Not Found" GOOD SOURCE!

#25...NEWSMAX! No BIAS there, eh?

#32...from the NCPA,,,just another RightWing Propaganda Arm!

#60...Opinion piece from the CATO Institute...another RightWing Organization.

HELL...half the "references" cite one of two guys as their source...William Happer or Tim Ball...

...so yeah, Wikipedia is still pretty unreliable..but you just keep on using them...it does make my job easier.
 
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Global warming is primarily caused by natural processes
Attribution of climate change, based on Meehl et al. (2004), which represents the consensus view

Individuals in this section conclude that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.



Cause of global warming is unknown

Scientists in this section conclude that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.


Alll of the above have been provided to mister 'it is scientific FACT that man is causing global warming, i mean climate change, I mean... well whatever my masters tell me it means right now'. None have been refuted.

Has the earth warmed? yes.

Is man the primary cause of it... debatable

Have fear mongers like the leg humping stalkers idol Al Gore grossly exaggerated the 'crisis' for personal gain? Absolutely.

But keep clinging to the so called 'independent' reviews of the reports. Nothing like government agencies clearing themselves or appointing 'independent' panels to clear them.

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wow. Unbelievable.

You're going to pass off an outdated wikipedia link as a credible source? And try to sneak that in under the radar? That's hilarious.

You should have at least scanned your outdated wiki article before posting it.

Here's your problem dude....

Most of those quotes from "scientists" are old. Most are five to ten years old, and are based on the third IPCC assessment from 2001.. It's all right there in your wiki link. Dude, the science has evolved since 2001. Your link is wildly outdated. Try again. Please try to come up with something current, and from a well established and credible scientific institution.


Second, your own wikipedia article admits they use a very broad definition of "scientist"

From Your wiki article:

"For the purpose of this list, a "scientist" is defined as a person who published at least one peer-reviewed article during their lifetime in the broadly construed area of natural sciences.

There is no requirement to have published in recent decades or in a field relevant to climate."


Do you ask botanists for their expert opinion on String Theory and quantum mechanics?

Oh, you don't? Neither do I. People who have trained for years to be climate scientists, and who done credible climate research and published in peer reviewed journals are given more credence than some electrical engineer or optics physicist.



This is getting ridiculous man.

You wingnuts NEVER provide anything that is credible. Every time I click on your links its to some wildly out of date wikipedia article; to some blog run by a mentally disturbed "mushroom researcher", to some "climate audit" blog run by a guy who sells mining company stocks for a living; or to some righting british tabloid or obscure blog no one's ever heard of.

Take the Climate Gate Clown Challenge, bro':

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3



My suggestion to folks is to never, ever take the links a science-denier posts seriously

. Unless its from a well known, credible, and internationally recognized scientific body with expertise in climate science. Otherwise, you'll be wasting huge amounts of time on bullshit, half-truths, distortions, or outdated shit from people who aren't even respected climate experts






edit: Much obliged to the posters who actually are scientifically literate. Mott and Thorn. Cheers. Science denial is more hilarious than a barrel of monkeys.
 
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Wow.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

How does one know that some weird ass link to some webpage no one’s ever heard of is either full of lies, or just factually wrong?

When a jpp.com rightwinger posts it.

Yo, dude. The professor you are citing went out of his way on his homepage to respond to this shit. He says your rightwing cyber links are lying and misrepresenting.

He also says that the evidence is unequivocal that the earth is warming and that humans are very likely responsilble for it.


Man, that's embarrassing. Your own scientist - the one you are citing to support your science denier position - just shot you down. HaHa. Man, this is getting ridiculous.

How come EVERYTIME I do a second of research on these bullshit posts you wingnuts give me, they're always packed with lies. Is lying congenital with you dudes? Or, are you just to stupid to see through the lies, aka like in the Iraq War.

Would you please stop fucking wasting my time with ClimateAudit, Redstate.org, and a bunch of other bullshit links to obscure blogs, editorial columns, and wingnut shit that no one's ever hear of?







Here, Dr. Hulme goes on to say how the reich wing media, and science deniers misquoted and misrepresented him; i.e., they lied.




Now, Science Denier Bravo has presented Dr. Hulme to support Bravo’s science-denier position.

What does Dr. Hulme say about climate change?




There you have it folks.

The scientist that Bravo himself presented to support the position of the Climate Gate clowns, not only calls Bravo and this reich wing media Liars….but Bravo’s own scientist says that it is unequivocal that the earth is warming and the it is very likely due to humans.





Climate Gate clowns provide links to obscure blogs no one’s ever heard of. And, as is demonstrated above, these blogs and links are full of lies and propaganda.

Here’s the world-class, reputable science organizations I post. I wonder why you can NEVER come up with a link that is either scientifically credible, let alone not full of lies.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3


Damn! Like you said....shooting fish in a barrel! :good4u:
 
Originally Posted by Superfreak
Hey moron...note... the above scientists all have little numbers next to their positions... those are called REFERENCES.... now go to the bottom of the page and look up the REFERENCES. There you will find the source material.

I understand your knee jerk reaction is to apologize and make excuses for your masters... but do try to pull your head out of their collective asses long enough to get a breath of fresh air and a chance to look at the site before you cram it back up in there.

Alrightie then...lets take a look at some of your "References":

#5-8...ALL OPINION PIECES

#10...an article from a DECADE ago...got anything more recent?

#11-12...MORE opinion pieces...

#23...listed as a "letter to the editor"...click it and it says "404 Not Found" GOOD SOURCE!

#25...NEWSMAX! No BIAS there, eh?

#32...from the NCPA,,,just another RightWing Propaganda Arm!

#60...Opinion piece from the CATO Institute...another RightWing Organization.

HELL...half the "references" cite one of two guys as their source...William Happer or Tim Ball...

...so yeah, Wikipedia is still pretty unreliable..but you just keep on using them...it does make my job easier.


Ahhh, nothing like a little honest analysis of the information presented to expose the stubborn propaganda of the neocon numbskulls.

Zap, you and Cypress are ON FIRE!
 
Wow. Unbelievable.

You're going to pass off an outdated wikipedia link as a credible source? And try to sneak that in under the radar? That's hilarious.

You should have at least scanned your outdated wiki article before posting it.

Here's your problem dude....

Most of those quotes from "scientists" are old. Most are five to ten years old, and are based on the third IPCC assessment from 2001.. It's all right there in your wiki link. Dude, the science has evolved since 2001. Your link is wildly outdated. Try again. Please try to come up with something current, and from a well established and credible scientific institution.


Second, your own wikipedia article admits they use a very broad definition of "scientist"




Do you ask botanists for their expert opinion on String Theory and quantum mechanics?

Oh, you don't? Neither do I. People who have trained for years to be climate scientists, and who done credible climate research and published in peer reviewed journals are given more credence than some electrical engineer or optics physicist.



This is getting ridiculous man.

You wingnuts NEVER provide anything that is credible. Every time I click on your links its to some wildly out of date wikipedia article; to some blog run by a mentally disturbed "mushroom researcher", to some "climate audit" blog run by a guy who sells mining company stocks for a living; or to some righting british tabloid or obscure blog no one's ever heard of.

Take the Climate Gate Clown Challenge, bro':

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=663778&postcount=3



My suggestion to folks is to never, ever take the links a science-denier posts seriously

. Unless its from a well known, credible, and internationally recognized scientific body with expertise in climate science. Otherwise, you'll be wasting huge amounts of time on bullshit, half-truths, distortions, or outdated shit from people who aren't even respected climate experts






edit: Much obliged to the posters who actually are scientifically literate. Mott and Thorn. Cheers. Science denial is more hilarious than a barrel of monkeys.

And off in the distance, the soft "whumpf!" of the heads of neocon parrots with delusions of intelligence exploding.

Kudos, Cypress!:clink:
 
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