We will see. Fact is, though, that it OFTEN works out just the way we think it will. Most of us thought that Trump would be a disgusting, embarrassingly incompetent president...and he has met our expectations exactly.
A question for Democrats and Republicans:
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Yakuda
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First the poster was talking about something completely different. He suggested Democrats will be winning elections for some time because of Trump. Not likely.
As to dems opinion of trump, no offense but, it's kind of like listening to an arabs give their opinion of a Jew. It could hardly be considered and objective opinion
I stick with my response. WE WILL SEE.
I am not a Democrat...and my opinion of him is at least as negative as any offered by any Democratic politician I've ever heard offer a public opinion about him. As for positive opinions of Trump from Republican politicians, it is kind of like listening to an Iraqi politician giving an opinion about Saddam Hussein when he was in power.
Yakuda
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And I with mine
It doesn't matter what you are. When an arab tells me how bad a Jew is its not any different than a dem or any anti trumper telling me how bad trump is. The feelings people who oppose trump have toward him are rooted in something far deeper than just political disagreement or dislike. It's utter hatred wrapp d in vitriol. I would say it borders on irrational at best. I've never seen anything like it.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Obama gave us Obamacare, possibly the worst health insurance plan ever.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
No. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called “Obamacare,” is not considered the “worst” health insurance plan by any major health‑policy organization, insurer, or research institution.Here’s what the evidence actually shows.
According to Kaiser Family Foundation and CDC:- Uninsured Americans dropped from ~16% (2010) to ~8% (2016)
- That’s 20+ million people gaining coverage
Before the ACA, insurers could:- deny coverage for pre‑existing conditions
- charge women more than men
- cap lifetime benefits
- drop people when they got sick
See ACA_consumer_protections.
Nonpartisan analyses from:- Commonwealth Fund
- Urban Institute
- CBO
- increased access to preventive care
- reduced medical bankruptcies
- improved affordability for low‑income households
This is where the criticism comes from.Premiums increased for:
- people who earned too much for subsidies
- people in states that didn’t expand Medicaid
- people who previously had very cheap, very limited plans that the ACA banned
See ACA_premium_trends.
Gallup, Pew, and KFF polling show:- Americans are split on the ACA
- But a majority want to improve it, not repeal it
- Only a small minority call it “the worst”
The ACA:- did not cause the Great Depression of health care
- did not collapse the insurance market
- did not rank as “worst ever” by any credible metric
You might be dumb enough to believe that. It accompished a lot, but was changed by medical ,Pharm lobbyists and the Right that is subservient to corporate and wealthy power. It was a start. It was supposed to improve, but Repubs bowed to their ownership and have spent all their energy sabotaging it.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
What percentage of Americans buy health insurance on the Obamacare market? What percentage of Americans on some form of Obamacare are on expanded Medicaid, paid for by taxpayers? What is the annual amount the government is shelling out to subsidize Obamacare? Wasn't Obamacare supposed to be self-supporting by this point?
You can toss out all the vague platitudes you want. Obamacare is a costly disaster and was from day one. The only thing it does other than waste huge piles of taxpayer money is add an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy on an already horribly bureaucratic system.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
More partisan cheer leading from Google AI. Are you really totally incapable of thinking for yourself?No. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called “Obamacare,” is not considered the “worst” health insurance plan by any major health‑policy organization, insurer, or research institution.
Here’s what the evidence actually shows.
According to Kaiser Family Foundation and CDC:
Worst plans don’t usually expand coverage — they shrink it.
- Uninsured Americans dropped from ~16% (2010) to ~8% (2016)
- That’s 20+ million people gaining coverage
Before the ACA, insurers could:
The ACA eliminated all of these.Even critics of the law rarely argue these protections are “the worst.”
- deny coverage for pre‑existing conditions
- charge women more than men
- cap lifetime benefits
- drop people when they got sick
See ACA_consumer_protections.
Nonpartisan analyses from:
found that the ACA:
- Commonwealth Fund
- Urban Institute
- CBO
Not perfect — but not “worst ever.”
- increased access to preventive care
- reduced medical bankruptcies
- improved affordability for low‑income households
This is where the criticism comes from.
Premiums increased for:
This is a real issue, but it does not make the ACA “the worst plan ever.”
- people who earned too much for subsidies
- people in states that didn’t expand Medicaid
- people who previously had very cheap, very limited plans that the ACA banned
See ACA_premium_trends.
Gallup, Pew, and KFF polling show:
That phrase is political rhetoric, not a data‑based assessment.
- Americans are split on the ACA
- But a majority want to improve it, not repeal it
- Only a small minority call it “the worst”
The ACA:
It did expand coverage, add protections, and raise premiums for some groups — a mixed but far from catastrophic outcome.
- did not cause the Great Depression of health care
- did not collapse the insurance market
- did not rank as “worst ever” by any credible metric
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
You didn’t refute anything. You just complained that the facts were presented clearly. That’s not a rebuttal, it’s a coping mechanism.