A point about Elizabeth Warren's Native American Ancestry

Oneuli said:
Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so. Watching that weasel squirm is a joy. But the test itself shouldn't matter.

Think about it. What was the knock on Warren? It was that she made up Native American ancestry. Whether or not she actually has Native American ancestry is entirely beside the point. What was relevant is whether she had reason to think she had Native American ancestry when she claimed it. If she had good cause to think it (e.g., plausible family oral history) and it turned out not to be true, that's not her fault. And if she didn't have good cause to think it, but it randomly turned out to be true, that doesn't relieve her of the charge of fabrication.

For example, what if I told you I have 100% Korean ancestry, which I said on the basis of my mother and father both having told me they were of Korean ancestry. And what if I took a DNA test later and found out that I'm actually 100% of Chinese ancestry -- that my parents actually adopted me from China but didn't want me to know I was adopted. Would I have been lying when I told you of my Korean ancestry? Should I be attacked and ridiculed for having told you something I had good cause to think was true?

Or, on the flip side, imagine that, thinking I was 100% of Korean ancestry, I applied for a scholarship reserved only for those of Chinese ancestry, telling them falsely that my ancestors were Chinese. If later I found out from a DNA test that I was actually 100% of Chinese ancestry, due to that hypothetical adoption, would that change the fact I'd lied about my heritage for personal advantage?

The focus on a DNA test doesn't really make sense in the Warren story, and never did. The important question is whether her family did, in fact, have an oral tradition about Native American ancestry. Her DNA test adds a little to the plausibility of such a story having existed (since there was, in fact, a Native American ancestor, it seems more plausible that she was told a story about a Native American ancestor.) But a DNA test could never settle the question of whether such a story existed, one way or the other. The best you can do for that is to interview members of her extended family and see if such a story was, in fact, going around.
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Nailed it. My take on the issue as well.
 
Kacper said:
That she even bothered to have the test shows that Donald occupies space in her head. It isn't a good sign. 6 to 10 generations isn't much considering most tribes require between 1/4 and one great great grandparent or closer. She is at least one generation short and possible 4 generations short.
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If you hadn't noticed, the lying asshole occupies everybody. And he blatantly lied again on this issue by denying he ever said anything about a donation. Even though he knew it was on camera.

lol

Not just a pathological liar, but a stupid one at that.
 
Thing1 said:
That's pretty extreme.

She has always said it's what she was told growing up - what is it w/ you guys? You know the Trump family did the same thing, right? And that they did it for business reasons?
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She used it as a career ladder- I'm not being harsh enough!
 
Oneuli said:
Every single time a cell is created in your body DNA is passed. That doesn't make it a human being. It makes it a human cell.
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You are absolutely terrified of losing your "right" to rip live children from the womb, and dash their little heads against the nearest tree. Aren't you? Ironically, where this thread is concerned, dashing the heads of infants against a tree during raids, was a common practice by many indigenous American tribes.
 
Darth Omar said:
Here’s this from the Genetic Literacy Project:

With respect to European Americans, the percentages are much more different than African Americans or Latinos, with European American genomes being 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American. In general, the numbers seem to agree with what one would expect given the history of American colonization by Europeans and their interactions with African and Native Americans.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...if-youre-white/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Warren is about as ‘Native American’ as the average white American is lol. And she could claim to be of African American descent with about the same level of credibility.
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Bullshit. I'm about as average a white American as there is, with my ancestors arriving from western Europe. Not a fucking hint of Native American in my DNA. Your bullshit claim is nothing but that.

To go back 10 generations, her people had to actually be here for that many generations. Yeah, MOST white Americans can claim that. :rofl2:
 
volsrock said:
...she had a Native American ancestor in her family dating back six to 10 generations.

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Translation from MSM speak. If you go back 300 years (30 years per generation x 10 generations) you can find evidence of American Indian ancestry. That same level of proof would likely be found in about 90% of the planet’s inhabitants.
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So what?

Trump and the rest of you Warren haters have spent the past two years denying she had ANY American Indian ancestry in her past.

Now, in true GOP/Trumpkin fashion, when evidence is presented to back up her claim and embarrass you, you conveniently move the goal posts and make a brand new claim.
 
volsrock said:
...she had a Native American ancestor in her family dating back six to 10 generations.

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Translation from MSM speak. If you go back 300 years (30 years per generation x 10 generations) you can find evidence of American Indian ancestry. That same level of proof would likely be found in about 90% of the planet’s inhabitants.
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A generation is more like 25 years, not 30. And, f you actually count the PEOPLE, rather than the years, it can be much different. When my grandkids are old enough to learn, they will know EXACTLY who their ancestors are going back 7 generations. And will be able to walk to 6 of those generations gravesites. So your notion that 6 generations is such a big deal is horseshit.

And, in those 7 generations, there will be not a spec of Native American blood.
 
noise said:
i'm not even paying attention. Trump is completely in her head. Then she comes out at no better then 1/64 NA?
In her attempt to back her claims she's made herself looks ridiculous that she started this
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Oh but your continued posting in this thread proves you ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

Up until today, no one was arguing HOW MUCH Native American ancestry she had in her past.

Now that Trump has been caught lying and been embarrassed, you are desperate to move those goal posts and make this about how much NA ancestry is in her past.
 
Nordberg said:
Nope. She proved an indian heritage. She never claimed to be 100 percent Indian. Trump is as much of a weasel as you are, so he will not pay a dime. You will still pretend she did not prove it. Neither of you can admit when you are proven wrong.
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Typical GOP/Trumpkin tactics.
 
volsrock said:
DNA shows from 0.001% to 1.6%

1 ancestor 1 generation ago = 50% (parent)
1 ancestor 2 generation ago = 25% (grandparent)
1 ancestor 3 generation ago = 12.5% (etc..)
1 ancestor 4 generation ago = 6.25%
1 ancestor 5 generation ago = 3.12%
1 ancestor 6 generation ago = 1.6%
1 ancestor 10 generation ago = 0.001%

Wow! And that gave her special privileges during her career in academia that she now wants to continue to milk in her political career
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You keep claiming special privileges, but haven't identified them
 
Kacper said:
That she even bothered to have the test shows that Donald occupies space in her head. It isn't a good sign. 6 to 10 generations isn't much considering most tribes require between 1/4 and one great great grandparent or closer. She is at least one generation short and possible 4 generations short.
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No casino dollars for her.....
 
countryboy said:
LOL! Tell us exactly what percentage of Native American ancestry the test results showed Warren to be.
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The percentage is of no importance to anyone except hypocritical Trumpkins trying desperately to move the goalposts.

Trump claimed she had NO NA DNA and she proved him wrong.
 
The only issue here is pocahontis lied on an application about her heritage trying to get something free, or move to the front of the line.

then she goes on some mission to prove there is a drop of native American blood in her therefor she was being truthful.

She got caught, she loses on this one, Trump is making fun of her because she is goofy, a goofy pretentious liberal nut-bag.
That has apexed her political ambitions in the looney bin of Massachusetts politics. which amounts to nothing, they voted Ted Kennedy in for 40 years and he was a drunk that drove someones beautiful daughter into the ocean and left her there on the bottom while he went home and slept his drunkenness off, so they are hardly the good judges of character.
 
volsrock said:
Her story was always that her grandpa married and Indian around the turn of the century and it was quite the scandal at the time. This proves that story is not true.
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she meant her great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather........
 
Kacper said:
I have always been white and have native american blood a hell of a lot closer than she apparently does. Some of my relatives have done the Cherokee Nation Tribal Citizenship thing, including one of my brothers, but I have never seen the point. To me it is trivia. That she thinks something so trivial is important is not a good sign. If Trump runs again and she is the nominee he will pwn her the way he did Hillary "I'm going to stick to the issues and ignore Donald Trump" Clinton.
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The bolded is soooo true. That anyone thinks this is an issue suggests the level of insanity the left has sunk to in the era of Trump.
 
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