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Damn brother .. you've got Google sitting right in front of your face. Try looking up 'Cuba under Batista.'

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT HIGH RATES OF POVERTY, ILLITERACY, NO ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE, HIGH INFANT MORTALITY, HIGH RATES OF PROSTITUTION AND THE SEX TRADE, POLICE STATE BRUTALITY, AND MAFIA CONTROL WEREN'T BEING SUFFERED BY THE CUBAN PEOPLE? Cuba was being run by foreigners to their benefit ALONE.

Cuban children were dying while Batista was enriching himself and his mafia masters. Are you suggesting that isn't true?

AND, when the cowboys showed up to 'rescue' Cubans and restore US control .. did the Cuban people fight against Castro, or did they fight the invaders?

Since none of you care to take the time to intelligently inform yourself, let me post this for you ..

Bay of Pigs

The Bay of Pigs (Bahía de Cochinos) is a small bay on the southern coast of Cuba that was invaded on April 17, 1961 by approximately 1,400 Cuban exiles organized and armed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The invasion was meant to appear to be an attempt by independent Cuban rebels to overthrow leftist Cuban leader Fidel Castro, but became obviously known as an American project, and confirmed when President John F. Kennedy immediately admitted responsibility when the invasion failed. The Bay of Pigs, as the whole episode came to be known, was a major embarrassment for the United States, which was caught deceiving the United Nations and trying to overthrow by force a government which the U.S. itself had officially recognized and which was not attacking the U.S. One hundred and fourteen invaders and 157 Cuban soldiers were killed and 1,189 invaders were taken prisoner.

Fidel Castro became the leader of Cuba's government when his revolutionary forces overthrew the Batista regime in January, 1959. At first, Washington was not hostile to Castro. President Dwight D. Eisenhower recognized his government a few days after Batista's downfall, and Castro even traveled to Washington to meet with Vice President Richard Nixon (later President Nixon). Nixon decided that Castro could not be relied upon to pursue U.S. interests and began to agitate privately for his removal.

In October, 1959, Eisenhower approved a secret program to depose Castro proposed by the CIA and the State Department. Eisenhower told his advisors that "our hand should not show in anything that is done"—in other words, that the operation should be carried out in such a way that

U.S. responsibility could be plausibly denied. To this end, the CIA gathered, funded, armed, and trained an anti-Castro rebel organization in Florida, the Panama Canal Zone, and Guatemala. The CIA began military training of 300 Cuban expatriates in March of 1960, and in May began broadcasting anti-Castro propaganda over the whole Caribbean from a station on a small, disputed territory named Swan Island. The programs were taped in Miami under CIA control, but claimed to be the voice of an authentic Cuban rebel movement without U.S. ties. In September, addressing the General Assembly of the United Nations, Castro accurately accused the U.S. of operating Radio Swan; the U.S. denied the charge.

In July, 1960, the Cuban fighters of "Brigade 2506"—named for the number of a brigade member killed in an accident—were transferred to a training camp in Guatemala built and run by the CIA.

On November 4, 1960, John Kennedy was elected president. Once in office, Kennedy gave his approval for the training of Brigade 2506 to continue. Like Eisenhower before him, however, Kennedy was adamant that U.S. armed forces should not take part in any effort to overthrow Castro. Not only was the whole operation illegal, any hint of U.S. manipulation would alienate potential supporters of the invasion inside Cuba. U.S. planners hoped that when news of the invasion reached the Cuban populace, an anti-Castro rebellion would arise and cast him out. At the very least, planners believed, the invaders could fight their way overland to the Escambray Mountains, about 100 miles west of the landing zone, and join rebel forces already fighting there.

On April 15, 1961, the first part of the invasion plan was carried out. Eight B-29 bombers supplied by the CIA bombed Cuban military aircraft on the ground at several locations. Later, a B-26 bearing Cuban markings and marked with bullet-holes landed at Miami International Airport. The pilots claimed to be defecting Cuban pilots, the goal being to make the raids on Cuba earlier that morning look like an internal action by defecting Cuban pilots. However, reporters on the scene noted that the plane's machine guns had not been fired and that the plane was not of the type actually used by Cuba. Castro, hearing the reports, commented that even Hollywood would not have tried to film such a feeble story. The goal of the bombings themselves was to destroy the Cuban government's small air force at one stroke, eliminating any call for U.S. air support of Brigade 2506 at the landing site. The raid was not completely successful, however.

Two days later, on April 17, a landing was made at Playa Girón (Girón Beach) in the Bay of Pigs. A small beachhead was quickly achieved by Brigade 2506, but one of their freighter vessels, containing food, fuel, medical equipment, and a ten days' supply of ammunition, was quickly sunk. Combat was heavy around the beachhead as Cuban government forces responded to the attack. The remnants of the Cuban Air Force bombed and strafed the invading forces, as Brigade 2506 had not been supplied with fighter aircraft and President Kennedy categorically refused to allow U.S. fighters to go into combat.

The military situation deteriorated steadily (from the invaders' point of view) over the next 48 hours. On April 18, while the fighting was at its peak, Adlai Stevenson denied to the United Nations, in response to Cuban accusations, that the U.S. was attacking Cuba. Eventually, Kennedy was persuaded to authorize unmarked U.S. fighter jets from the aircraft carrier Essex to provide escort cover for the invasion's B-26 bombers, most of which were now being flown by CIA agents in support of the ground invasion (two-thirds of the Brigade pilots were refusing to fly). The jets from the Essex missed their rendezvous with the B-26s by an hour due to a misunderstanding about time zones; in the subsequent, unescorted bombing raid over Cuba, two B-26s were shot down and four Americans were killed. The fighting ended on April 20, 1961, with the defeat of Brigade 2506.

The project, most analysts would later conclude, had been hopeless from the beginning. Fidel Castro enjoyed wide support in Cuba and had just consolidated a military victory against the Batista regime; a few thousand lightly armed invaders could not possibly have taken the island. Furthermore, the idea that the U.S. could keep its role secret had become ridiculous long before the invasion was attempted. The New York Times had run a story on March 17, 1961, predicting a U.S. invasion of Cuba in the coming weeks, and another story on April 7, entitled "Anti-Castro Units Trained to Fight at Florida Bases," which noted that invasion plans were in their final stages. Although the Times had watered down the latter story considerably at President Kennedy's personal request, when Kennedy saw the paper he exclaimed that Castro didn't need spies; all he had to do was read the news. But Castro, and others, did have spies, and the Soviet Union was fairly well-informed of U.S. invasion plans ahead of time.

The costs of the Bay of Pigs were high, and not only in lives lost. In the wake of the invasion, Castro consolidated his regime, supported by public outrage in Cuba over the U.S.-plotted invasion, and concluded a mutual-defense agreement with the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union exploited this relationship to get Cuban permission to place ballistic-missile launch sites on Cuban soil. These launch sites, detected by U.S. aerial photography, were the immediate cause of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, generally agreed to have been the closest approach to all-out nuclear war that the world has yet encountered.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/history/latin-america-and-caribbean/cuban-history/bay-pigs

Yes Castru put down those elements who sought to do the US and Mafia bidding .. sometimes brutally .. but the Cuban people were FAR better off than they were before Castro.

AND, after the failure of the Bay of Pigs, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff planned to carry out Operation Northwoods .. otherwise known as 9/11. THEY PLANNED TO HIJACK COMMERCIAL PLANES AND FLY THEM INTO US FEDERAL BUILDINGS, BLOW UP US SHIPS NEAR CUBA, KILL INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS, AND BLOW UP JOHN GLENN IN SPACE .. BLAMING IT ALL ON CASTRO.

JFK wouldn't go along with the plan .. 6 months later, he was assassinated.

To be ignorant of these FACTS is typical of dumb ass colonized Americans who can be told any fucking thing imaginable.

Castro invested whatever resources Cuba had in the Cuban people and his successes in doing that is nothing short of amazing in the face of American intervention and attempts to kill him.

Are you suggesting this isn't true?

Since Cuba was SO GREAT under Castro, why didn't you emigrate there?
 
R #77
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"The irony is agonizingly hilarious.
It is the REPUBLICAN party that claims the mantle of being the party of "family values".

Well guess what!
A major component of "family values" is FAMILY !!

And guess what else! In functional societies, families, a fundamental structural unit of that society, is run as a socialist if not communist unit.
When older brother outgrows his clothes, younger brother inherits them.
Same thing w/ the bicycle, etc.

Let us all please be unambiguously clear here. I am NOT defending communism as a viable federal standard.
Instead I'm acknowledging the hypocrisy of the Republican party that flails away savagely against "leftists" while communism is a fundamental principle of their espoused / claimed principle: "family values".

It's one thing to be wrong.
It's a separate thing to pretend for and against principles not held.

Hypocrites!" s

"Wrong...." R #77
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6 paragraphs in a row, & not one valid observation! What an unbelievable loser I am!
"the major component of "family"....is God." R #77
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I'm agnostic. So in your opinion, what was the "major component of family" in my case?

And which god did you have in mind?
- Vishnu?
- Zeus?
- Neptune?
- Shiva?
- Allah?
- Loki?
- Reagan?
- Thor?

Perhaps instead of "god" you meant "religion". But even at that, your use of the definite article "the" in your assertion "the major component of "family"....is God."
We can unravel / reveal that to mean: - the major component of "family"....is a mythical entity the existence of which has never been proven, even after millennia."

You conflate theology with practical authority structure. According to you, among agnostics and atheists, families do not exist?
""morality" is taught at home"
Let us concede for sake of efficiency that the basis of all morality is religion. "BASIS!!"

That doesn't mean that morality, honesty, and integrity is not taught in religionless homes. And please note! I didn't say "godless". "Religionless" is different.
 
#86 & #87

Are you distinguishing between immoral & amoral?

Further:
Just because a complete suite of morality differs from yours doesn't render it immoral. It renders it different.
 
the right has no set moral code


they will never accept how they are wrong about this history



don't let them lead you down unproductive paths folks
 
"the right has no set moral code" #90
e #90:

I'd prefer you be more precise.
"Precision & clarity in the use of language leads to precision & clarity of thought." G. Gordon Liddy
If by "right" you mean conservative, we do indeed have moral standards, by definition.

I deduce you're not referring to "right" (your word), but "Republican", which at this point should be synonymous not with "right", but with "wrong".
“You claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate”. President Obama commenting on the Republican party's nomination of Donald Trump (during headline news of Trump boasting about inappropriate behavior w/ women) FOX / Google 16/10/13
Conservatives don't vote for loonies like Trump.
 
Oh and this is something that is never discussed by those on the Left, for obvious reasons. Somehow I doubt that our resident racism monitor Leon/Buckley will have much to say on the subject though!!

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/revolutionary-cubas-racism-problem/

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I'll discuss it gladly.

Start from here .. African-Americans have been in the so-called 'land of the free' for over 400 years .. and we've only been relatively free for 51 years.

America is still an extremely racist nation.

What Cuba Can Teach America About Race
Color and African-ness are more complicated on that island than in our “land of the free.”

excerpt

Fidel Castro has been one of our hemisphere’s great, even historic leaders. He ended many of the blatant discriminatory practices that existed in pre-Revolutionary Cuba and he made a brand out of his rapport with militant black leaders in the United States. Perhaps the most famous manifestation of that is the photo of Fidel having a face-to-face exchange in Harlem with the militant black American leader Malcolm X, who would be assassinated four years later. Castro would go on to send troops to Angola in Africa, where they fought for years against a faction supported by the white racist government of South Africa.

Many today say the world, with U.S. complicity, have failed to recognize the positive role played by Communist Cuba in the end of racial apartheid in South Africa.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-to-president-obama-on-his-visit-to-cuba.html

SEE: Cubans in Haiti and throughout Africa .. get back to me.
 
R #77

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6 paragraphs in a row, & not one valid observation! What an unbelievable loser I am!

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I'm agnostic. So in your opinion, what was the "major component of family" in my case?

And which god did you have in mind?
- Vishnu?
- Zeus?
- Neptune?
- Shiva?
- Allah?
- Loki?
- Reagan?
- Thor?

Perhaps instead of "god" you meant "religion". But even at that, your use of the definite article "the" in your assertion "the major component of "family"....is God."
We can unravel / reveal that to mean: - the major component of "family"....is a mythical entity the existence of which has never been proven, even after millennia."

You conflate theology with practical authority structure. According to you, among agnostics and atheists, families do not exist?

Let us concede for sake of efficiency that the basis of all morality is religion. "BASIS!!"

That doesn't mean that morality, honesty, and integrity is not taught in religionless homes. And please note! I didn't say "godless". "Religionless" is different.

But...still, you can't disprove the reality that socialism has all but destroyed the core family in this nation, and produced more poverty, more crime, and more incarceration among those who can least afford it....THE POOR, those you are supposed to be helping. Proving just how EVIL socialism is...all around the world these same facts play out with hundred's of millions people being killed by the most criminal ideology to have ever existed upon the face of the earth. Socialism......at both ends of the political spectrum. The Nazi's were socialists on the extreme right.....the Russians were socialist on the example left. Socialism is a bi-sexual bitch, she swings both ways. But socialism is the common denominator among all fascist type governments.

Now tell me that extreme right like Nazi's can't be socialists...when they just like you took over all work, all banks, all education...etc., that's what socialism demands....there are no shades of gray in any socialist ideology like the democrats having been selling as horseshit for over 8 decades. Socialism is Socialism...it places the government above the people that its supposedly helping.
 
I'm glad the Fidel Castro killed those Batista bastards, he didn't kill enough in my opinion. I wish I could've been in that firing squad, I would've made sure to palm my blank and put a live round in it just so that I could know each time I put a bullet through their heart. Dead Nazis is a beautiful thing.
 
" you can't disprove the reality that socialism has all but destroyed the core family in this nation " R #95
Is that my thesis?
Was I challenged to disprove it?
Am I obliged to disprove it?

Candidly I do have some concerns about what I suspect is a long term (not merely generations, but centuries) disintegration of key, valued components of family.
For example, families used to often have 3 or more generations living under one roof.

Why is it rarer today? Socialism? I wouldn't say that's a primary culprit.
I suspect a combination of factors.

a) A half century ago there were "house-wives". Men would go earn a wage that could support the entire household.
Wifey would stay home and vacuum the rug with curlers in her hair.

Today many households need two wage-earners, and so "latch-key kids" proliferate.

b) Before television, the old folks were the story tellers, the repository of wisdom. But the two wage-earning family enabled more "old folks" to go to "senior living centers" aka "old folks homes", and now the television (or mobile device) is the story teller.

There's c, d, e, & f I suppose. It's a cascade; dominoes to some extent.

I infer you agree the multi-gen family model that prevailed in the 18th and 19th centuries is by whatever process, being changed. If not, what?

& If so, why?

The following excerpted from U.S. Presidential candidate Libertarian Andre Marrou's
1992 stump speech.

"... the United States is increasingly socialistic under the Democrats & Republicans.
The Democrats are essentially left wing socialists. The Republicans are right wing
socialists. How do you define socialism? More money to government, more power to
government, more bureaucrats, and more regulations, and on and on ... .
The federal government spends 25% of the Gross National Product. State, county, and
local government spend another 22%. That's 47% of the Gross National Product of this
country being spent by the government bureaucrats primarily on themselves. That
leaves 53% in your pockets. You're the people who earn it. 47% vs 53%; how can we
get your 53% up to 90%? One and only one way, we must reduce the 47% the
government spends, down to 10%. That is the only way it can be done. Individual
Liberty is diametrically opposed to governmental power.
 
But...still, you can't disprove the reality that socialism has all but destroyed the core family in this nation, and produced more poverty, more crime, and more incarceration among those who can least afford it....THE POOR, those you are supposed to be helping. Proving just how EVIL socialism is...all around the world these same facts play out with hundred's of millions people being killed by the most criminal ideology to have ever existed upon the face of the earth. Socialism......at both ends of the political spectrum. The Nazi's were socialists on the extreme right.....the Russians were socialist on the example left. Socialism is a bi-sexual bitch, she swings both ways. But socialism is the common denominator among all fascist type governments.

Now tell me that extreme right like Nazi's can't be socialists...when they just like you took over all work, all banks, all education...etc., that's what socialism demands....there are no shades of gray in any socialist ideology like the democrats having been selling as horseshit for over 8 decades. Socialism is Socialism...it places the government above the people that its supposedly helping.

Sorry Ralph but you are full of shit as usual.
 
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