A federal judge’s gag order against Trump may be satisfying. But it isn’t constituti

Do you think you are more verse in Constitutional law than Constitutional Law Professor and Berkeley Law School Dean Chemerinsky. How many books on the subject of Constitutional law have you published?

don't do this. it makes you look like a leftist who believes that you have to be labeled an 'expert' in something to be taken seriously, especially when it concerns a document that is a restriction on the government, written by we the people.
 
A federal judge’s gag order against Trump may be satisfying. But it isn’t constitutional



I certainly understand Chutkan’s desire to limit such speech, and this is obviously a unique case with no similar precedents. But basic 1st Amendment principles cast serious doubt on the judge’s order.



Although I often wish that Donald Trump would shut up, he has a constitutional right not to. A federal judge went too far in restricting his free expression Monday when she imposed a gag order on the former president.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is presiding over the Washington prosecution of Trump for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, ordered him to refrain from rhetoric targeting prosecutors and court personnel as well as inflammatory statements about likely witnesses.

Chutkan issued the order in response to a motion from special counsel Jack Smith. Trump has said on social media that Smith is “deranged,” that the judge is “a radical Obama hack” and that the court system is “rigged.” He has also attacked potential witnesses such as former Vice President Mike Pence.

“This is not about whether I like the language Mr. Trump uses,” Chutkan said in announcing her decision from the bench. “This is about language that presents a danger to the administration of justice.” She added that Trump’s presidential candidacy “does not give him carte blanche” to threaten public servants. The judge said that “1st Amendment protections yield to the administration of justice and to the protection of witnesses.”

I certainly understand Chutkan’s desire to limit such speech, and this is obviously a unique case with no similar precedents. But basic 1st Amendment principles cast serious doubt on the judge’s order.



The Supreme Court has long held that court orders prohibiting speech constitute “prior restraint” and are allowed only in extraordinary and compelling circumstances. In New York Times Co. vs. United States (1971), for example, the justices held that the courts could not constitutionally enjoin newspapers from publishing the Pentagon Papers, a history of America’s involvement in the Vietnam War. The Supreme Court held that there is a strong presumption against orders preventing speech.

Even more to the point, in Nebraska Press Assn. vs. Stuart (1976), the justices held that the courts can almost never keep the press from reporting on criminal cases, even when the goal is to protect a defendant’s right to a fair trial.


Although the Supreme Court hasn’t considered gag orders on parties to a case and their lawyers, the same strong presumption should apply against such prior restraints. What is particularly troubling about Chutkan’s order is that it seems primarily concerned with protecting prosecutors and court personnel from Trump’s vitriol. The law is clear that speech can’t be restricted to prevent government officials from being criticized or even vilified...

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This is the guy that wrote this article.


Erwin Chemerinsky (born May 14, 1953) is an American legal scholar known for his studies of constitutional law and federal civil procedure. Since 2017, Chemerinsky has been the dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law. Previously, he also served as the inaugural dean of the University of California, Irvine School of Law from 2008 to 2017.[1][2]

Chemerinsky was named a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2016. The National Jurist magazine named him the most influential person in legal education in the United States in 2017.[3] In 2021 Chemerinsky was named President-elect of the Association of American Law Schools.

Early life and education
Chemerinsky was born in 1953 in Chicago, Illinois. He grew up in a working-class Jewish family in the South Side of Chicago and attended the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools for high school.[4] He studied communications at Northwestern University, where he competed on the debate team. He graduated in 1975 with a Bachelor of Science, summa cum laude. Chemerinsky then attended Harvard Law School, where he was a member of the Harvard Legal Aid Bureau. He graduated with a Juris Doctor, cum laude, in 1978.

Professional career
After law school, Chemerinsky worked as an honors attorney in the U.S. Department of Justice's Civil Division from 1978 to 1979, then entered private practice at the Washington, D.C., law firm Dobrovir, Oakes & Gebhardt.[5] In 1980, Chemerinsky was hired as an assistant professor of law at DePaul University College of Law. He moved to the Gould School of Law at the University of Southern California (USC) in 1983. Chemerinsky taught at USC from 1983 to 2004, then joined the faculty of Duke University School of Law.

In 2008, Chemerinsky was named the inaugural dean of the newly established University of California, Irvine School of Law. In 2017, he became dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law, where he is also the Jesse H. Choper Distinguished Professor of Law.[6]

Chemerinsky has published eleven books (three of which have been printed in multiple editions) and over 200 law review articles.[citation needed] He also writes a regular column for the Sacramento Bee and a monthly column for the ABA Journal and Los Angeles Daily Journal, and frequently pens op-eds for prominent newspapers across the country.[citation needed] Chemerinsky has also argued several cases at the United States Supreme Court, including United States v. Apel, Scheidler v. National Organization for Women. Lockyer v. Andrade. and Van Orden v. Perry, and has written numerous amicus briefs....




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Clearly the wacko DC Judge Tanya Chutkan does not know the Law.


Trump sure could use a brilliant lawyer like you, maybe you ought to go to Trump and offer your services. :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
 
don't do this. it makes you look like a leftist who believes that you have to be labeled an 'expert' in something to be taken seriously, especially when it concerns a document that is a restriction on the government, written by we the people.
but right now it's being used to silence a people on behalf of the government.

details matter.
 
I'll just repeat this from the other thread since it addresses the Constitutional question.

The same idiot who continually argued all of Trumps classified documents thefts were only subject to the Presidential Records Act and could not be charged in the way Jack Smith did, is now spreading his next in line, garbage.

First Amendment rights are not absolute, and they enjoy even less protections when a person is charged with serious crimes, as a result of their parole obligations.

Put another way, the State or Federal gov't is not required to give anyone parole. So it is an option to merely keep Trump (anyone) locked up until trial, and limit their access to media and devices. That is simple way to limit his freedom of association, freedom of movement, and freedom of speech rights, and its 100% constitutional and effective.

So to argue lesser injunctions on a defendants 'association', 'movement' and 'speech' such as what the courts are doing now, is wrong and unconstitutional is just stupid, as the remedy then is simply to revoke bail and hold him pending trial, which is also constitutional, and could be done.

So the Courts offer the compromise of allowing a person to 'give up their passport', 'agree to not cross State lines', 'agree to not speak to any other defendants or taint a jury pool', which are all LESSOR injunctions, which is why the SC has found them Constitutional in their rulings.

And make no mistake, as the injunctions are done via COOPERATION with the defendant who has to acknowledge and AGREE to them as part of his terms of release. He could instead refuse and say i am taking these to the SC as my speech will not be limited in any way, and then fight it as he sits in jail. If that is his principled position then he can refuse and fight it. What he cannot do, is agree and then not comply.
 
I'll just repeat this from the other thread since it addresses the Constitutional question.
And I'll repeat the 1st amendment can't be abridge to protect Jack Smith's little feelings. :( ERWIN CHEMERINSKY a Constitutional scholar and Dean of UC Berkeley Law School and author of several books on Constitutional law says it is unconstitutional to gag Trump.
 
And I'll repeat the 1st amendment can't be abridge to protect Jack Smith's little feelings. :( ERWIN CHEMERINSKY a Constitutional scholar and Dean of UC Berkeley Law School and author of several books on Constitutional law says it is unconstitutional to gag Trump.

A person, namely Trump, CAN VOLUNTARILY AGREE to any conditions he wants, as part of securing a release. from pre trial custody or any other reason.


So you are simply wrong.
 
Thrump's problems are all his own fault due to his utter lack of respect for laws and regulations.
You are describing yourself and other Democrats.
You rightys are so wrong, so often. Trump breaks laws and he should face justice.
You are describing DEMOCRATS.
If you think he did not steal a truckload of documents, you are nuts.
Trump didn't steal any documents. Not a single one.
If you think he did not create a big lie about the election, you are deluding yourself.
There was no election in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by DEMOCRATS.
If you think he and his gang did not plan and have an attempted insurrection, you are blind.
DEMOCRATS.
He was involved in a plot to steal voter machines.
DEMOCRATS.
He tried to get 6 states to overthrow the election results.
DEMOCRATS.
The list is long and horrific.
And all by DEMOCRATS.
 
SO tell me about the significant differences you claim exist?

Both are CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS being taken without a jury trial.

Locking someone in jail takes their speech rights... BTW.

The right to speak cannot be taken away.
The right to believe what you wish cannot be taken away.
The right to self defense cannot be taken away.
 
Least according to one Erwin Chemerinsky, who also defends those demonstrating for Hamas on the same principle, bet you wouldn’t agree with him on that one (https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article280597364.html)

it's not him that we disagree with.....its the supporters of Hamas that we disagree with......no one has said Talib doesn't have the right to say it....they do, however, say we shouldn't let someone as stupid as she is be on committees that have access to classified information about Israel......no one has said that Harvard students don't have a right to say it......they do however say they don't want anyone that stupid working for them........
 
So bail conditions are not constitutional?
not criticizing incompetent government officials as a bail condition?........how about leaving it with......no consumption of alcohol, don't be within 100 yards of the victim of your assault, no possession of firearms......you know, the normal conditions
 
I wish the former President the best of luck appealing this ruling. He has zero chance of success.

He has chosen to avoid being incarcerated. In doing so, he has agreed to the conditions of his release. Deal with it.

no need to appeal anything until he loses.......unlikely......Smith rarely gets a legitimate conviction on his political cases.......
 
Trump was gagged illegally. The court has to follow the Constitution. Do you think you are more verse in Constitutional law than Constitutional Law Professor and Berkeley Law School Dean Chemerinsky. How many books on the subject of Constitutional law have you published?

lol.....I doubt he ever read the one required for Constitutional Law 101.......
 
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