A demonstration of how easily democrats were played on health care reform

Howey said:
Your knowledge of Congress is about as credible as your knowledge of anything. nil.
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What he said was absolutely correct brother and I defy you to come up with a reason why it wouldn't be?

IN FACT, it should have been a hammer held over their heads. Either you help pass a good bill, OR, it will be left to us democrats to pass one .. and guess what we're going to pass?

SP .. the public option .. and Medicare for all Americans .. all in the same bill.

What would have stopped them? It's just democrats .. they could pass whatever they wanted to pass.

What were republicans going to do .. go to the public and complain? .. Wouldn't that be exactly what you want them to do? Rush to the airwaves and proclaim that the democrats are trying to expand one of the most popular programs in American history? One that cuts costs, expands access for all Americans, takes employers out of the equation, focuses on health care as a boom industry that will create millions of jobs that cannot be shipped overseas, deals with the doctor shortage, lowers premiums, and is user-friendly and easily understood.

Had that been Obama's argument, the midterms and today's Congress would look very different .. and Americans would have what they expected him to deliver.

I know Congress .. yes I do.

You ask why I'm bringing this up? I bring it up because I think I know something that you don't good brother. In America, rights are determined by what you can demand .. not by what is just, fair, humane, or what Jesus would do. If you cannot demand it .. it's not your right.

I'm an activist .. and I'm demanding a good health care system. Not for me .. I have one. I'm demanding it for all Americans.

This isn't personal, I like you. I like a lot of democrats here. But democrats have failed to deliver .. and they failed because they didn't have the courage to stand up to a corporatist ploy. Should have been smarter than that.

I keep an open dialogue with republicans because they aren't my enemy either. Corporatism is.

I believe the sooner all of us recognize that the enemy ain't us ... the better off we will be as a nation.
 
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blackascoal said:
What he said was absolutely correct brother and I defy you to come up with a reason why it wouldn't be?

IN FACT, it should have been a hammer held over their heads. Either you help pass a good bill, OR, it will be left to us democrats to pass one .. and guess what we're going to pass?

SP .. the public option .. and Medicare for all Americans .. all in the same bill.

What would have stopped them? It's just democrats .. they could pass whatever they wanted to pass.

What were republicans going to do .. go to the public and complain? .. Wouldn't that be exactly what you want them to do? Rush to the airwaves and proclaim that the democrats are trying to expand one of the most popular programs in American history? One that cuts costs, expands access for all Americans, takes employers out of the equation, focuses on health care as a boom industry that will create millions of jobs that cannot be shipped overseas, deals with the doctor shortage, lowers premiums, and is user-friendly and easily understood.

Had that been Obama's argument, the midterms and today's Congress would look very different .. and Americans would have what they expected him to deliver.

I know Congress .. yes I do.

You ask why I'm bringing this up? I bring it up because I think I know something that you don't good brother. In America, rights are determined by what you can demand .. not by what is just, fair, humane, or what Jesus would do. If you cannot demand it .. it's not your right.

I'm an activist .. and I'm demanding a good health care system. Not for me .. I have one. I'm demanding it for all Americans.

This isn't personal, I like you. I like a lot of democrats here. But democrats have failed to deliver .. and they failed because they didn't have the courage to stand up to a corporatist ploy. Should have been smarter than that.

I keep an open dialogue with republicans because they aren't my enemy either. Corporatism is.

I believe the sooner all of us recognize that the enemy ain't us ... the better off we will be as a nation.
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I'm afraid your knowledge of how Congress works is equally ignorant, BAC.

We've been over this time and time before. 85% of Americans are already under Obamacare with no impact.
 
blackascoal said:
Question: Let's say that you're right .. you're not .. but let's say that you are. If it was singularly left to democrats to pass a bill .. why not pass a bill that the vast majority of democrats, politicians and constituents .. really wanted?

Republicans were no longer standing in the way of a democratic only bill. So why not pass single-payer / the public option?
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Because not all Democrats wanted a public option, let alone Medicare for all. See Baucus, Max and Lieberman, Joe.
 
Dungheap said:
Because not all Democrats wanted a public option, let alone Medicare for all. See Baucus, Max and Lieberman, Joe.
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The truth of the matter is that they could have had it....without those guys....they had to use reconciliation anyway....instead....they tried to be reasonable.
 
NOVA said:
Are you saying Politifact is not correct on its findings that the Democrats LIED, MISLED and MIS-CHARACTERIZED the Republican position on Medicare ?......

Are you just a narrow-minded hack ?
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deathpanels ?


did you NOT see the republican party appauld death more than once in the primary debates?
 
blackascoal said:
One that cuts costs, expands access for all Americans, takes employers out of the equation, focuses on health care as a boom industry that will create millions of jobs that cannot be shipped overseas, deals with the doctor shortage, lowers premiums, and is user-friendly and easily understood.
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How do you create millions of jobs, increase demand and CUT COSTS?
 
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