A Deadly Mix in Benghazi

[Althea]

?????....the administration wasn't searching for answers at the time they told the public it was a spontaneous event caused by a movie......they already had information telling them it was a planned attack......the only "plausability" was whether they thought the public would buy the explanation until after the election and they could say "what difference does it make now".........

Incorrect. Even though Stevens was warned not to go to Benghazi, and even though the guarantee of an attack on Benghazi was shared with the State Dept, the timing of the attack coincided with several other attacks around the world.

But you know that, and choose to ignore the obvious because you think that arguing talking points makes more sense than arguing the documented facts.

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[PostmodernProphet]

Incorrect. Even though Stevens was warned not to go to Benghazi, and even though the guarantee of an attack on Benghazi was shared with the State Dept, the timing of the attack coincided with several other attacks around the world.

But you know that, and choose to ignore the obvious because you think that arguing talking points makes more sense than arguing the documented facts.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/201291720158465768.html

except.....no.....they've already acknowledged that they knew it was a terrorist attack, that they knew a terrorist attack was intended, its a little late to put that hamster back in the cage.....

 

[christiefan915]

Hillary and Obama. She ran the department and reports to Obama.

Issa’s absurd claim that Clinton’s ‘signature’ means she personally approved it

"...the State Department — the nation’s first Cabinet department — is a tradition-bound organization. These days, State Department cables in effect are group e-mails, which are stored in a database and made available to people with the proper security clearances.

As part of that tradition, every cable from an embassy bears the “signature” of the ambassador — and every cable from Washington bears the “signature” of the secretary of state. The protocol is explained in the State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual:

Signature
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a. The Communications Center (IRM/OPS/MSO/MSMC) will place the name of the Secretary on all telegrams to posts.​

b. Domestic telegrams originated within the Washington metropolitan area and transmitted through the 5th Floor Communications Center will bear the signature name of the Secretary at the end of the telegram. If a "signed by" line is used, it must appear as part of the text before the "End of Message" symbol.​

Note that not even the drafter of a cable gets to put the secretary’s “signature” on the cable; it is done by the worker bees in the communications center. Moreover, every single cable from Washington gets the secretary’s name at the bottom, even if the secretary happens to be on the other side of the world at the time.

Because of this protocol, “Secretary Clinton ‘signed’ hundreds of thousands of cables during her tenure as secretary,” said State Department spokesman Patrick H. Ventrell. “As then-Secretary Clinton testified, the security cables related to Benghazi did not come to her attention. These cables were reviewed at the assistant secretary level.”

This antiquated system means that a slew of routine messages in theory bear the imprimatur of the secretary. Using the WikiLeaks archive of State Department cables, we turned up the following cables that were sent to the embassy in Tripoli with the “signature”of either Condoleezza Rice or Clinton during the first two months in 2009.

Announcing the ratification of the U.S.-IAEA Additional Protocol, Jan. 3, 2009.
This detailed the talking points for diplomatic missions regarding the Bush administration’s signing of a nuclear agreement. Signed RICE.

Travel Alert for Israel, West Bank and Gaza, Jan. 6, 2009
This was a routine travel alert issued during the Israeli operation in Gaza in 2009. Signed RICE.

Shortage of Hotel Rooms in Monrovia, Jan. 15, 2009
“Embassy Monrovia advises travelers that due to numerous events scheduled by the Government of Liberia, hotel rooms during March 1-10, 2009 will be extremely limited and only Mission essential country clearance requests will be approved.” Signed RICE.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...8c2f5b4-adf8-11e2-a986-eec837b1888b_blog.html

 

[iolo]

Well, let's be clear at least that what happens in Libya shows yet again the utter folly of trying to impose governments on other countries: let the fact that such vacuous clowns as the current British Government engaged in it be yet another warning to you - and keep in mind the string of lessons stretching from Vietnam to Afghanistan.

 

[Jarod]

What I mean is Hillary and Obama fucked up. Own it.

So, still nothing to back that claim up. You simply want it to be true.

 

[Althea]

Well, let's be clear at least that what happens in Libya shows yet again the utter folly of trying to impose governments on other countries: let the fact that such vacuous clowns as the current British Government engaged in it be yet another warning to you - and keep in mind the string of lessons stretching from Vietnam to Afghanistan.

Agree 100%. I think this may mark the end of our policy re. regime change in the Mid East.

We've been doing it since the last century, with nothing but a long record of failures.

I believe this failure in Libya is what opened this admin's eyes with respect to Syria. Let them kill themselves. All we really care about is that the Persian Gulf/Suez Canal remain open for oil shipments.

Now that we are a net exporter of oil, we should let China/Russia worry about keeping the peace in order to protect their oil

 

[Jarod]

If someone has a document where Secretary Clinton denied funding for extra security, Id like to see it. The type of funding for that particular facility was predetermined by guidelines for such a facility. It was simply an institutional established protocol for what type of security such a facility would get. This was based at least partly on funding.

Now you can argue that Secretary Clinton should have overhauled the internal administrative procedures of the State Department, and you might be correct. But to say she "denied funding" is simply a lie.

Again this could be compared to the Christie Scandal.... His Chief of Staff fucked up, someone he DIRECTLY supervised but you guys think Christie is not responsible because he fired her. Someone at the State Department, WAY below Secretary Clinton, could have proactively realized the dangerous situation and tried to do something, but that's automatically Secretary Clintons fault.

 

[Truth Detector]

I am talking about the second Iraq War, the reigniting of hostilities.

I know we never had formal peace after the first war, but all honest people know the difference between Bush, Sr.'s Iraq war and Bush, Jr's Iraq war.

Do tell Jarod; what do you think were the differences? You do realize that without the first conflict, the second never occurs right?

 

[Truth Detector]

Exactly, she was not saying... What difference does it make that Americans Died, as you Conservatives like to pretend.

What she was saying was... What difference does it make if some people said it was a reaction to a video or not, its our job to find out NOW why four Americans died.

It makes a BIG difference when it is a deliberate lie to the American people during an election.

But willful dunces like you have been buying the lies of this Administration since Obamas first lie he would not run because he didn't have the resume.

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

But if I were you, I'd keep working this angle... and hey, I wouldn't give up on the Obama birth certificate scandal either... who knows, it could start gaining some real traction any day now!

I am with Bill Maher....I still want to see proof that Donald Trump is not the offspring of an orangutan.

 

[Truth Detector]

Ok, go with that. So if we invaded North Korea tomorrow, would the American people think of the Korean war of the 50's and the new war.. the same thing?

Dear dunce; we never invaded North Korea and we never invade nations without cause, our allies attacked first or us being attacked first.

What we have here is the typical moronic comparisons of apples to rocks. Try again dunce.

 

[Jarod]

It makes a BIG difference when it is a deliberate lie to the American people during an election.

But willful dunces like you have been buying the lies of this Administration since Obamas first lie he would not run because he didn't have the resume.

But the president referred to it as a Terrorist attack the very next day!

 

[Truth Detector]

Because Republicans cut millions and millions of dollars in “embassy security.” Cuts that Hillary Clinton called “detrimental” to our security overseas.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

That's a massive lie that has been refuted on numerous occasions. You seem to love that Obama koolaid you swill by the gallons don't you?

This inept Administration could have done what our allies did; close the mission. It is not a COST issue dunce; it is one of competence. But Hillary and Obama were always too busy campaigning to be concerned about events far away putting lives at great risk.

They were also extremely good at misjudging their enemies and our allies.

 

[Truth Detector]

that is not exactly true. Bush claimed there was absolute certainly.... a complete absence of doubt concerning Saddam's stockpiles.... that WAS a lie, because doubt and uncertainly definitely DID exist.

Dear dunce; you can only make such a dimwitted claim if you are going to claim that all the Democrat leaders who made the identical claims and our allies are all liars as well; that would include your darling Hillary, your hero Bill and Kerry.

Dunce.

 

[Jarod]

That's a massive lie that has been refuted on numerous occasions. You seem to love that Obama koolaid you swill by the gallons don't you?

This inept Administration could have done what our allies did; close the mission. It is not a COST issue dunce; it is one of competence. But Hillary and Obama were always too busy campaigning to be concerned about events far away putting lives at great risk.

They were also extremely good at misjudging their enemies and our allies.

Cite? Or is that just another thing you wish were true?

 

[Truth Detector]

eyewitness testimony

So... when you said, and I quote, "Citation? Or is this another of those "we have to take your word on it"?" that somehow means you were NOT asking for a citation? Whatever you say, moron.



I thought we already established that you didn't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it came to Beirut bombings, especially embassy bombings - which IS the Beirut bombing in question here - but apparently, you still want to think that the purpose of the United States Embassy in Beirut was a UN Peacekeeping mission. You are dumber than I originally thought, and that is pretty fucking dumb



And AGAIN.... the van was not parked in the basement... and your security badge story is sketchy at best... The CIA operative on the scene said that the van broke through an outbuilding, crashed through the lobby door and exploded there, but since you didn't even KNOW about the Beirut embassy bombing until this morning, and you still think the truck drove down the embassy stairs and into the basement somehow... we should definitely take your account of the event as more factual than his.



OK... I guess, with the exception of the fact that they were both US diplomatic outposts in arab countries with known factions present that were hostile to the US, both missions had asked for increased security measures to be provided, both were attacked by arab terrorists... yeah... I guess with the exception of those things, there is NOTHING remotely similar between the two.,

Dear dumbass; hearsay does not constitue a fact no matter how many times you repeat it.

Your dishonest effort to deflect the topic with your moronic diatribe about Beriut does not make your case no matter how many times you rant about it.

You're a dishonest idiot of epic proportions as evidenced by this thread.

Dismissed Commander; dishonest dunces like you don't deserve the amount of p,ay you have gotten on this thread.

You're a dunce, you're pathetically dishonest and your a hyper partisan of epic levels who shows an incredible disregard for the truth or the facts.

You earn the title of dunce with every buffoonish post.

 

[Truth Detector]

read closely jim.... none of those quotes say that stockpiles exist with absolute certainty. and if they did, they would have been lies as well.

Dear moron; what part of "he will use", or "there is no doubt", or "we have known for years", or "there is unmistakeable evidence" do idiots like you not comprehend.

You're an absolute and total idiot of epic proportions. No wonder you vote for inexperiebced dunces like Obama. You're the poster boy for low information dipshits.

Dumbass.

 

[maineman]

Dear dumbass; hearsay does not constitue a fact no matter how many times you repeat it.

Your dishonest effort to deflect the topic with your moronic diatribe about Beriut does not make your case no matter how many times you rant about it.

You're a dishonest idiot of epic proportions as evidenced by this thread.

Dismissed Commander; dishonest dunces like you don't deserve the amount of p,ay you have gotten on this thread.

You're a dunce, you're pathetically dishonest and your a hyper partisan of epic levels who shows an incredible disregard for the truth or the facts.

You earn the title of dunce with every buffoonish post.

eyewitness testimony is not hearsay.

you didn't even KNOW that the US embassy in Beirut had been bombed, and within four hours, you're a fucking expert on it.... except you still feel that the US Embassy was a UN peacekeeping outpost, and you still think the truck somehow drove down the steps of the embassy and into the basement. And you have the unmitigated gall to call anyone else on the planet a dunce!

AND... you still fail to acknowledge the many similarities between the bombing in Beirut and the bombing in Benghazi.

And trust me.... it takes someone with a lot more rank than YOU ever had to "dismiss" me, motherfucker. I'll quit hounding you and pointing out your stupidity when I'm good and ready.... not until.

 

[Truth Detector]

Total hilarity ensues.

What do Benghazi, Fast & Furious, and the IRS have to do with bridgegate?

Insufferable moron.

Dear moron; they illustrate the incredible hypocrisy and stupidity of morons like you who think scandals involving the deaths of Americans and the Constitution are not scandals, but a traffic jam on a bridge; MAJOR scandal.

But you're a brain dead dunce and the obvious is way beyond your lemming like comprehension level because you really are THAT stupid.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm not surprised that he had you fooled. You're not very bright.

I'm amused that brain dead koolaid swilling dunces like you think you are bright.

Let's recap; on a thread talking about Benghazi the dimwitted dunces on the left have deflected to the Reagan Administration, Beirut bombings, Iran Contra, invading North Korea, the first gulf war, the second gulf war, Bush 1 and Bush 2; it's official, you're a bunch of dishonest morons.