A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate

Leonthecat said:
A civil discussion is not possible if one side insists on believing savage uncivilized supernatural beliefs. Because they buy some insane notion that they will live forever if they say the right magical words together and sing the right magical songs.
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Try and narrow this down to the video discussion. I don't mind opposing points of view especially when well articulated and logical as Berlinski does. He uses his brain and wit without snark and name-calling. He doesn't necessarily agree with the religious point of view but, he is not dismissive and snobby about people WITH a religion-based belief and explanation of these matters.
 
LeontheMORON said:
I have a difficult time discussing anything with insane people.
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Don't talk to yourself then. :rofl2:

LeontheMORON said:
To believe in magical beings, as you do, requires a level of insanity that I am not willing to recognize as a viable alternative to rational thought.
In short , if you believe ancient supernatural events really happened, you have to be insane.
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Mr.Badguy said:
You obviously didn't read it. Apes DID evolve, into what you see now.

Becoming human isn't the ultimate goal for every species, if apes can survive and thrive in whatever environment they're in, they have no reason to develop traits other than what they already have.
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I did read it. It contained nothing that could be mistaken for scientific. So again I would ask; if WE truly had EVOLVED from apes, how then could there still be apes? I mean, was a special type of APE we EVOLVED from to explain the disconnect?

It is like the THEORY of man caused global warming; it just doesn't square with the FACT that the planet has been warming and cooling for many millions of years before man even existed.
 
Havana Moon said:
So what, if you have nothing to say then say nothing.

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The pseudo intellectual melding of magic and reality in a discussion like this is contrary to civilized thought.
The principals can sound rational while giving credence to magical supernatural thinking if they choose their words carefully enough and tiptoe around the elephant in the room.
I insist that magical thinkers be willing to recognize that what they believe in requires a suspension of their ability to think rationality.
They can pretend to be rational within the minutiae of the discussion but the foundation of their premise is actually insane.
I won't let go of that fact.
 
Truth Detector said:
I did read it. It contained nothing that could be mistaken for scientific. So again I would ask; if WE truly had EVOLVED from apes, how then could there still be apes? I mean, was a special type of APE we EVOLVED from to explain the disconnect?

It is like the THEORY of man caused global warming; it just doesn't square with the FACT that the planet has been warming and cooling for many millions of years before man even existed.
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Your question was answered in that article.

Clearly you didn't read it.

What's got you so frightened?
 
Truth Detector said:
You must have missed the "THEORY" part of "Theory" of Evolution. :rofl2:
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You are still debating Darwin. Darwin lived 200 years ago. Evolutionary sciences are no longer debatable by rational thinking people.
If you are religious you are exempt from rational thought so you you debate a guy that lived 200 years ago.
It is a sad thing to watch..
 
Stretch said:
Try and narrow this down to the video discussion. I don't mind opposing points of view especially when well articulated and logical as Berlinski does. He uses his brain and wit without snark and name-calling. He doesn't necessarily agree with the religious point of view but, he is not dismissive and snobby about people WITH a religion-based belief and explanation of these matters.
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I am never going to let go of the fact that what you believe in requires insanity.
Berlinski may be willing to humor your irrational beliefs .I will not.
 
CharacterAssassin said:
Your question was answered in that article.

Clearly you didn't read it.

What's got you so frightened?
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He is afraid that if he recognizes how insane his irrational beliefs are that he will not get to go to heaven.
As silly and childish as that appears to be on the surface that is the sad truth.
Adult people are arguing for their need to believe childish fantasies about living forever.
 
Leonthecat said:
He is afraid that if he recognizes how insane his irrational beliefs are that he will not get to go to heaven.
As silly and childish as that appears to be on the surface that is the sad truth.
Adult people are arguing for their need to believe childish fantasies about living forever.
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True. Sad to see such intellectual cowardice on such a frequent basis from the same posters over and over again.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I am actually a-creational.......I don't care how God created the universe, life, man.......as far as I care he could have done it in 7 billion years or 7 seconds.......I am annoyed, though, of lib'ruls who are stupid enough to believe science has proved things which are in fact not proved and never will be.......I take Genesis 1:1 literally.......in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth......the tense of this verse is actually the imperative......that is "GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!!!".....

Genesis 1:2-2:1 is Hebrew poetry.....all Hebrew poetry is signaled by a word translated into English as "Now".....
(2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.)
Hebrew poetry, like English poetry, is not read the same as narrative.....it is not understood literally......When the poet said "the fog crept in on little cat feet" he was not saying fog had paws, though he was communicating something factual about fog.....

I believe there is something very interesting about Genesis 1:2 through 2:1.......first, God created the difference between day and night........what is that difference?......time.......desert nomads knew that time was necessary before all else.....second, God separated the waters from the waters....the above from the below.......forces of nature such as gravity, motion, all those things we call natural laws......day three, water and soil are differentiated........matter comes into existence.....things become things.....
thereafter life, from the simplest form the most complex.....not bad for a people with no concept of science.......
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True science has no argument with Scripture. The word science simply means knowledge. That’s why we say God is omniscient, we put the word science with omni, all knowing. True knowledge, true science has no argument with Scripture because the Creator is the author of Scripture and He is the one who determined the way things are and He knows the way things are because He made them the way they are. Never has science disproven one thing in the Bible. They’re still working at it. The Word of God stands the test of all the poundings that it has taken from so-called science and pseudo-science.

Science deals with a matrix when we’re talking about natural science. We’re talking about the way things are in a material universe, there is a matrix of things. Herbert Spencer’s great achievement, he died in 1903.......He said, “Everything in the universe can be deposited in one of these categories…time, force, action, space and matter.” Those five things which he defined in that order are all in Genesis 1, “In the beginning…that’s time…God…that’s force…created…that’s action…the heavens…that’s space…and the earth…that’s matter.” The matrix is in Genesis 1:1, that is a profound scientific statement. The universe in essence is a matrix of space, time, matter and energy. And all of it has to be existing at the same conflux. It all has to come together or none of it exists. One cannot exist without the other. The entire continuum must have existed simultaneously from the beginning. That is why you find it all in Genesis 1:1, it all had to be there. Science says it has to be there and Scripture says it is there.
 
BodyDouble said:
But it will be fun to see you sucking the devils red hot poker of a cock for all eternity. God could sell tickets for that if He wanted to.
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There is your adult civil conversation.
No one can discuss anything with that fundamental of a level of insanity.
You may as well try to debate quantum physics with a garden snail.
 
Stretch said:
True science has no argument with Scripture. The word science simply means knowledge. That’s why we say God is omniscient, we put the word science with omni, all knowing. True knowledge, true science has no argument with Scripture because the Creator is the author of Scripture and He is the one who determined the way things are and He knows the way things are because He made them the way they are. Never has science disproven one thing in the Bible. They’re still working at it. The Word of God stands the test of all the poundings that it has taken from so-called science and pseudo-science.

Science deals with a matrix when we’re talking about natural science. We’re talking about the way things are in a material universe, there is a matrix of things. Herbert Spencer’s great achievement, he died in 1903.......He said, “Everything in the universe can be deposited in one of these categories…time, force, action, space and matter.” Those five things which he defined in that order are all in Genesis 1, “In the beginning…that’s time…God…that’s force…created…that’s action…the heavens…that’s space…and the earth…that’s matter.” The matrix is in Genesis 1:1, that is a profound scientific statement. The universe in essence is a matrix of space, time, matter and energy. And all of it has to be existing at the same conflux. It all has to come together or none of it exists. One cannot exist without the other. The entire continuum must have existed simultaneously from the beginning. That is why you find it all in Genesis 1:1, it all had to be there. Science says it has to be there and Scripture says it is there.
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Do you believe that you will live forever?
 
Leonthecat said:
I am never going to let go of the fact that what you believe in requires insanity.
Berlinski may be willing to humor your irrational beliefs .I will not.
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Let go.........don't let go. I don't care. That's kind of the point here. We're trying to stick to the video discussion not opinions on insanity.
 
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