A Bad Move by Obama Re: oil

Taichiliberal said:
Obama Oil Drilling Plan Draws Critics

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/science/earth/01energy.html

No one on either side of the political fence is happy with this for obvious reasons. Personally, I just see it as a concession gesture, because it's sure as hell not going to do much regarding current prices at the gas pump.
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I'd be happy if we started to drill.

I also know that the price of gas will come down just by saying it.

If not,,,, drill even more as you're saying it.

Neocons want us to drill less so they can make money on the high prices.

Neo,,,,,,, con.
 
Since the problem isn't supply to begin with, I concur that it will do very little (if anything) to reduce prices. But so long as we're going to allow more drilling, why not drill in ANWR? While Alaska should be kept as pristine as possible, it's a hell of a lot easier to fix a leak on land than a mile under the ocean.
 
St. Augustine said:
Since the problem isn't supply to begin with,
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Other than the worthless and less and less dollar, prices are a reflection of what's to be in the future.

More supply in the future=less of a price now

Less supply in the future=more of a price now
 
Taichiliberal said:
Obama Oil Drilling Plan Draws Critics

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/science/earth/01energy.html

No one on either side of the political fence is happy with this for obvious reasons. Personally, I just see it as a concession gesture, because it's sure as hell not going to do much regarding current prices at the gas pump.
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“Drilling our coasts will do nothing to lower gas prices or create energy independence,” Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club, said in a statement. It will only jeopardize beaches, marine life, and coastal tourist economies, all so the oil industry can make a short-term profit.”
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One idiot obviously decided to pipe in.... not surprising that it came from the Sierra Club. For one, this is in no way helping 'short term profits' for oil companies. These are LONG TERM projects. Second, this will ABSOLUTELY help us on the path to energy independence. The two comments show complete ignorance on the matter and thus highlight the knee jerk reaction that is typical from the extreme environmentalists.

But wait.... we have another contender for 'I have no clue what I am rambling about':

“We’re appalled that the president is unleashing a wholesale assault on the oceans,” Jacqueline Savitz of the environmental group Oceana said on Wednesday. “Expanding offshore drilling is the wrong move if the Obama administration is serious about improving energy security, creating lasting jobs and averting climate change.”
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1) It will improve energy security... again... the more of our own we produce, the less we have to buy from foreign countries
2) It will absolutely create lasting jobs HERE IN THE US, rather than provide them to those overseas
3) This has little to do with climate change. No matter how much someone WANTS us to get off of oil, we are not going to cease using it until economically viable options are put in place. We can begin with Nat gas use in transportation as a short term stop gap, but we are going to need to drill for that as well.... HERE IN THE US.
 
Man, would I love to debate a few minutes to whoever said "averting climate change." What do they think? If we don't drill domestically, we'll magically stop using fossil fuels?

It's just annoying at this point. Even if AGW is a fact, and it's not, we'd have to go cold turkey as a planet, immediatly, to maybe - just maybe - have any effect whatsoever. They have to get off of that argument...
 
Liberty said:
I'd be happy if we started to drill.

I also know that the price of gas will come down just by saying it.

If not,,,, drill even more as you're saying it.

Neocons want us to drill less so they can make money on the high prices.

Neo,,,,,,, con.
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Now there's a guy with his head literally up his ass....

There can't be any other reason to talk so stupid....even far left pinheads don't say things as dumb as this....
 
Onceler said:
Man, would I love to debate a few minutes to whoever said "averting climate change." What do they think? If we don't drill domestically, we'll magically stop using fossil fuels?

It's just annoying at this point. Even if AGW is a fact, and it's not, we'd have to go cold turkey as a planet, immediatly, to maybe - just maybe - have any effect whatsoever. They have to get off of that argument...
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There is an amazing similarity in the end of the world scenario presented by the Warmers and the one presented by the Christians.

Wasn't it just a few ten years ago I read that irreversible damage would be made in 5 years? No way to stop it now I guess...

Bah.
 
bravo said:
Now there's a guy with his head literally up his ass....

There can't be any other reason to talk so stupid....even far left pinheads don't say things as dumb as this....
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I thought you would support somebody calling TCL a "neocon"...
 
Onceler said:
It's a start; I was relieved when he announced this. Energy independence involves domestic drilling....
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Interesting Onecell......
When is the first time you hear this....."Energy independence involves domestic drilling"
Remember anyone preaching this over the last 30-40 years ? Practically begging for the gov. to allow more drilling ???
 
Damocles said:
I thought you would support somebody calling TCL a "neocon"...
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If I mis=understood this guy, correct....
I see nothing about TCL in that post, and he is far from any kind of conservative....

and I know of no conservatives that don't support domestic drilling....

I can only comment on what is posted, not what the poster MIGHT mean....
 
Damocles said:
There is an amazing similarity in the end of the world scenario presented by the Warmers and the one presented by the Christians.

Wasn't it just a few ten years ago I read that irreversible damage would be made in 5 years? No way to stop it now I guess...

Bah.
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A partial list of lunacy....

Earth Day Predictions, 1970

"We have about five more years at the outside to do something."
- Kenneth Watt, ecologist

"Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind."
- George Wald, Harvard Biologist

"We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation."
- Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist

"Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction."
- New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years."
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
 
Damocles said:
There is an amazing similarity in the end of the world scenario presented by the Warmers and the one presented by the Christians.

Wasn't it just a few ten years ago I read that irreversible damage would be made in 5 years? No way to stop it now I guess...

Bah.
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Not that much drives me battier at this point. Nothing is more laughable than a politician saying we have to "act now" on global warming by proposing a 5% reduction in emissions, which would be negated in about a year w/ population growth. It's all grandstanding, by people who are hopelessly challenged mathematically.

There are loads of good reasons to transition to renewables, but oil is here to stay for the next few decades at minimum, and there are no good reasons not to drill it ourselves...
 
Onceler said:
It's a start; I was relieved when he announced this. Energy independence involves domestic drilling....
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How gullible are you ?

First he promised to open up the Atlantic to exploration. Then he reneged. Then he said he'd lift his oil moratorium in the Gulf. Production has only decreased since.
Yesterday Obama again played Lucy to the American energy consumer's Charlie Brown. This time he is promising to direct "the Department of Interior to conduct annual lease sales in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve, while respecting sensitive areas, and to speed up the evaluation of oil and gas resources in the mid and south Atlantic."

read the rest of the story at washingtonexaminer.com
 
bravo said:
How gullible are you ?

First he promised to open up the Atlantic to exploration. Then he reneged. Then he said he'd lift his oil moratorium in the Gulf. Production has only decreased since.
Yesterday Obama again played Lucy to the American energy consumer's Charlie Brown. This time he is promising to direct "the Department of Interior to conduct annual lease sales in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve, while respecting sensitive areas, and to speed up the evaluation of oil and gas resources in the mid and south Atlantic."

read the rest of the story at washingtonexaminer.com
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I said it's a start. His statement shows that he gets it, and that he is extremely worried about the high price of gas right now. The need for re-election can make a politician very practical.
 
bravo said:
How gullible are you ?

First he promised to open up the Atlantic to exploration. Then he reneged. Then he said he'd lift his oil moratorium in the Gulf. Production has only decreased since.
Yesterday Obama again played Lucy to the American energy consumer's Charlie Brown. This time he is promising to direct "the Department of Interior to conduct annual lease sales in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve, while respecting sensitive areas, and to speed up the evaluation of oil and gas resources in the mid and south Atlantic."


read the rest of the story at washingtonexaminer.com
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Obama's greatest talent is speaking out of both sides of his mouth with no hands~
 
I suggest you all buy some sweaters and long underwear for next winter when heating oil be $4.50+ a gal....

In the mean time, the pinheads in Washington will be complaining about a gov. subsidy for the oil companies
Pay lip service to domestic drilling while nothing gets done
and blames Opec, Conservatives or Republicans for the high prices....
 
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