95% of Humans are Spiritual

Yes, it is. For example "Do not accept anything by mere tradition ... Do not accept anything just because it accords with your scriptures ... Do not accept anything merely because it agrees with your pre-conceived notions ... But when you know for yourselves – these things are moral, these things are blameless, these things are praised by the wise, these things, when performed and undertaken, conduce to well-being and happiness- then do you live acting accordingly."

Sort of a roundabout way of saying, "If it feels good, do it!" :cof1:










 
I think I stated it very precisely. I don't give a goddamn if YOU don't agree with it! To me, that just isn't criteria for whether something is true or false... sorry!


You state that being agnostic means the person 'doesn't know what they believe'. That is 100% FALSE. No matter how many times you say it. It doesn't change the fact that it is blatantly false. It is something you pulled directly from your ass. Being agnostic means you neither believe nor disbelieve in the existence of a God or Gods. The reason is not because we do not KNOW... it is because we refuse to believe in an all powerful being or beings based on FAITH. But you are too wrapped up in your FAITH to realize that some people will believe only based on EVIDENCE or FACT.



No, you implied that people who are spiritual deny science, and that is untrue. You also imply that people who believe in science are not being spiritual, and that is also nonsense. One has nothing to do with the other, and ANY attempt to make this kind of distinction is baseless and without merit. I simply called you on your stupidity. I also never singled YOU out personally, I have no way of knowing what YOU personally believe, and I never made such a claim. Go back and read my words again, moron, you got it all wrong. Some people certainly DO worship science, believing that science provides sufficient explanation for everything, and if it doesn't, it one day will. That is FAITH... the same kind of FAITH that prompts a person to believe in heaven and hell, or the rapture, or anything else religious in nature.

Show me the post Ditzie. Show us all where it is you THINK I stated that people who are spiritual deny science.

As for people who use Science to discover the truth... THAT is not being spiritual. It is based in FACT finding. That is does not mean all those who use science do not also have spiritual beliefs. It simply means that the use of SCIENCE is no more 'spiritual' than the use of MATH.




Again, for those of you paying attention, this is what Superfreak and others like him do, when cornered in a debate and unable to articulate a well-reasoned counter argument, they resort to tearing down their competition, belittling them, criticizing their intelligence, citing examples of how others support their baseless assertions. This suffices in place of actually engaging me in the subject at hand, where they KNOW they will get faced resoundingly. It's a choice they make... either have their ass handed to them on a platter, or pretend I am stupid and hope a few more pinheads chime in to agree before anyone notices they didn't debate me or address the issue. I don't blame them, I would probably do this too if I had nothing to bring to the debate.... nah, on second thought, I think I would just keep my mouth shut.

NO... You poor demented little twit. This is what people like me do when they are dealing with an idiot that refuses to READ the opposing views. This is what people like me do when dealing with an idiot who cannot grasp the fact that he has been shown to be wrong countless times on one thread alone. This is what people like me do when dealing with idiots who are too fucking ignorant to comprehend what a debate actually is. This is what people like me do with idiots that continually create strawmen so that their little fantasy world doesn't collapse in on them when their arguments are refuted.
 

You state that being agnostic means the person 'doesn't know what they believe'. That is 100% FALSE. No matter how many times you say it. It doesn't change the fact that it is blatantly false. It is something you pulled directly from your ass. Being agnostic means you neither believe nor disbelieve in the existence of a God or Gods. The reason is not because we do not KNOW... it is because we refuse to believe in an all powerful being or beings based on FAITH. But you are too wrapped up in your FAITH to realize that some people will believe only based on EVIDENCE or FACT.

LMAO... You are essentially saying EXACTLY what I said, in another way! You are worse than Damo... at least he attempted to admit he agreed with me! If you neither believe or disbelieve, you are effectively UN-FUCKING-DECIDED! MORON! What part of that are you having trouble grasping? It is IMPOSSIBLE to "KNOW" what you believe, yet neither believe or disbelieve! It fucking just defies any logic or common sense! You can BELIEVE.... You can NOT BELIEVE... or you can be UNSURE of what to believe or not believe! You can't be a combination of these, there really is no "gray" area.

Show me the post Ditzie. Show us all where it is you THINK I stated that people who are spiritual deny science.

I never said you "stated" anything... I said you INFERRED it... there is a difference, buttmunch! Learn it!

"If you believe in Science that means it is your spiritual belief or some such nonsense."

This is what you said, and what I responded to. I have never made such a statement, and I clarified what I did say, but it doesn't surprise me that you misunderstood what I posted, you seem to have a profound fucking problem with that.

As for people who use Science to discover the truth... THAT is not being spiritual. It is based in FACT finding. That is does not mean all those who use science do not also have spiritual beliefs. It simply means that the use of SCIENCE is no more 'spiritual' than the use of MATH.

Correct, and both spiritual and non-spiritual people use science to discover truth. I never stated that all who use science do not have spiritual faith or do have spiritual faith, that is apparently the absurd abstract you wish to twist my statements into, but not what I ever said.

Listen carefully, moron... SOME PEOPLE (NOT ALL) will exchange spiritual faith for faith in science, and proclaim to not believe in God. That is the ONLY point I made, and it is true. If you want to contradict that point, fucking do it or shut up! Stop trying to mangle my statement into something absurd and foolish so you can trash me! I'm goddamn tired of your stupid shit! If you can't be intellectually honest enough to address the ACTUAL posts, just save us both some time and don't respond! This is fucking ridiculous!

NO... You poor demented little twit. This is what people like me do when they are dealing with an idiot that refuses to READ the opposing views. This is what people like me do when dealing with an idiot who cannot grasp the fact that he has been shown to be wrong countless times on one thread alone. This is what people like me do when dealing with idiots who are too fucking ignorant to comprehend what a debate actually is. This is what people like me do with idiots that continually create strawmen so that their little fantasy world doesn't collapse in on them when their arguments are refuted.

No, it's what idiots like you do to anyone and everything on the right, because you are an empty headed socialist punk without a fucking brain. If you can't successfully twist my comments into some perverted parody of what I actually said, you launch into a tirade of personal attacks on my intelligence, and support that by citing all the "examples" of those who have refuted me and concur with you on my intelligence level.

You are a chicken shit little coward who can't discuss the issue at hand, can't bring yourself to find any commonality or room for agreement, and insists on acting like you are in the 6th grade, instead of a grown adult. Time and time again, in this thread alone, you have misquoted me, misconstrued what I said, inferred meaning I never intended, and developed arguments I never made, in order to TRY and make yourself look smarter than me. Too bad you FAILED at that! Try again, Bozo!
 
LMAO... You are essentially saying EXACTLY what I said, in another way! You are worse than Damo... at least he attempted to admit he agreed with me! If you neither believe or disbelieve, you are effectively UN-FUCKING-DECIDED! MORON! What part of that are you having trouble grasping? It is IMPOSSIBLE to "KNOW" what you believe, yet neither believe or disbelieve! It fucking just defies any logic or common sense! You can BELIEVE.... You can NOT BELIEVE... or you can be UNSURE of what to believe or not believe! You can't be a combination of these, there really is no "gray" area.

Again, you are wrong. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no evidence to prove the existence or lack thereof of a God or Gods. Therefore I choose to ignore the matter until such evidence is provided. That isn't being 'unsure'. The only people who are 'unsure' are those who take a position and cling to it based on FAITH. But you are too much of a moron to comprehend the fact that there are those who choose not to act on FAITH but rather prefer FACT.




"I never said you "stated" anything... I said you INFERRED it... there is a difference, buttmunch! Learn it!

"If you believe in Science that means it is your spiritual belief or some such nonsense."

This is what you said, and what I responded to. I have never made such a statement, and I clarified what I did say, but it doesn't surprise me that you misunderstood what I posted, you seem to have a profound fucking problem with that.

You truly are retarded. I clearly stated that I neither STATED that NOR IMPLIED it. The above quote you highlight was talking about YOUR idiotic comment that SCIENCE is a SPIRITUAL belief of people like me. Which is blatantly FALSE. I pointed out exactly where you stated it. Yet now you want to pretend you didn't so you try to spin. Because you are a fucking moron.



Listen carefully, moron... SOME PEOPLE (NOT ALL) will exchange spiritual faith for faith in science, and proclaim to not believe in God. That is the ONLY point I made, and it is true. If you want to contradict that point, fucking do it or shut up! Stop trying to mangle my statement into something absurd and foolish so you can trash me! I'm goddamn tired of your stupid shit! If you can't be intellectually honest enough to address the ACTUAL posts, just save us both some time and don't respond! This is fucking ridiculous!

Poor demented Ditzie.... people don't have 'faith' in SCIENCE anymore than they have 'FAITH' in math or English. SCIENCE is based in FACT. NOT FAITH.
You truly are a moronic individual. You want so desperately to cling to your 95% of people are spiritual bullshit (which you still haven't shown where you pulled that number from) that you cling to this false notion that Science is somehow based on FAITH. I know you are completely desperate and are tired of people mocking you for your ignorance. The only way for you to get people to stop doing so is for you to stop making such ignorant comments.




No, it's what idiots like you do to anyone and everything on the right, because you are an empty headed socialist punk without a fucking brain. If you can't successfully twist my comments into some perverted parody of what I actually said, you launch into a tirade of personal attacks on my intelligence, and support that by citing all the "examples" of those who have refuted me and concur with you on my intelligence level.

You are a chicken shit little coward who can't discuss the issue at hand, can't bring yourself to find any commonality or room for agreement, and insists on acting like you are in the 6th grade, instead of a grown adult. Time and time again, in this thread alone, you have misquoted me, misconstrued what I said, inferred meaning I never intended, and developed arguments I never made, in order to TRY and make yourself look smarter than me. Too bad you FAILED at that! Try again, Bozo!

Ditzie... this is your standard MO. Everytime someone shows you what a fool you are, you pretend they somehow twisted your words. Look back on the thread ditzie. The only one twisting other peoples words is YOU.

I do not desire to find a commonality with an idiot. Again, you cling to your moronic positions despite being shown how wrong you are. You do this time and again. Then you whimper and cry when people make fun of you for doing so. I don't have to 'make myself look smarter than you' ditzie. I am smarter than you. You are a simpleton. You are a little boy who clings to his fantasy world as tight as he can. You fear letting go because out in the real world, people mock you for your ignorance, just as they do here.

You are quite the sad specimen. Do try to grow up and educate yourself.
 
Faith is not a mystical brain freeze that happens to those who possess it; it is a gift according to scripture; according to Christ himself. Faith is not without discernment; it demands practice for it to grow. People put "faith" in all kinds of things because they are tried and true. A faith in Christ uses no less a measure.
 
"it is a gift according to scripture;"

Most people that have faith in religion are less intelligent across the board. They have lower iq's. People that believe in religion are stupid individuals, or weak minded.
 
Faith is not a mystical brain freeze that happens to those who possess it; it is a gift according to scripture; according to Christ himself. Faith is not without discernment; it demands practice for it to grow. People put "faith" in all kinds of things because they are tried and true. A faith in Christ uses no less a measure.

Nope. You are wrong.
'Faith' and 'tried and true' are NOT synonymous. And THAT is one of the reasons that schools and religious faith should never be allowed to mix.
'True' means provable and forecastable. We may know something to be true because we have direct and tangible evidence of it or we may know that there is sufficient empirical evidence for something to exist.
Faith has no requirement for that .... because



it is FAITH!

God created man in his image and man, being a gentleman, returned the compliment.
Please do not respond.
 
Nope. You are wrong.
'Faith' and 'tried and true' are NOT synonymous. And THAT is one of the reasons that schools and religious faith should never be allowed to mix.
'True' means provable and forecastable. We may know something to be true because we have direct and tangible evidence of it or we may know that there is sufficient empirical evidence for something to exist.
Faith has no requirement for that .... because



it is FAITH!

God created man in his image and man, being a gentleman, returned the compliment.
Please do not respond.

Faith is tried and true to the one who possesses it...

If you don't want a response by me don't post to me.
 

Again, you are wrong. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no evidence to prove the existence or lack thereof of a God or Gods. Therefore I choose to ignore the matter until such evidence is provided. That isn't being 'unsure'. The only people who are 'unsure' are those who take a position and cling to it based on FAITH. But you are too much of a moron to comprehend the fact that there are those who choose not to act on FAITH but rather prefer FACT.

Step back from the crack pipe and listen to yourself! You are saying the same goddam thing that I stated, in another way! You know beyond the shadow of a doubt, just like every Christian or spiritual believer of any kind knows, that there is no evidence of the physical existence of God. We ALL realize that, it doesn't have beans to do with what we BELIEVE! You can either believe there is something else, or you can be uncertain, or you can be a nihilist. Those are the only options, no combination is possible, your viewpoint has to fit in one of those three categories to conform to logic.

You truly are retarded. I clearly stated that I neither STATED that NOR IMPLIED it. The above quote you highlight was talking about YOUR idiotic comment that SCIENCE is a SPIRITUAL belief of people like me. Which is blatantly FALSE. I pointed out exactly where you stated it. Yet now you want to pretend you didn't so you try to spin. Because you are a fucking moron.

Oh, but you did imply it, you may not have intended to, but you did. I never stated science is a spiritual faith, again, that is absurd and silly. I have also never stated what the beliefs are of people like you, I have no fucking idea what you believe! So you go ahead and post where I made that comment, and I will apologize if I did... but the thread is right here for everyone to read, including myself, and I don't see where that was ever posted by me. No spin, it's just a fact... I didn't say it, and you are lying.

Poor demented Ditzie.... people don't have 'faith' in SCIENCE anymore than they have 'FAITH' in math or English. SCIENCE is based in FACT. NOT FAITH.
You truly are a moronic individual. You want so desperately to cling to your 95% of people are spiritual bullshit (which you still haven't shown where you pulled that number from) that you cling to this false notion that Science is somehow based on FAITH. I know you are completely desperate and are tired of people mocking you for your ignorance. The only way for you to get people to stop doing so is for you to stop making such ignorant comments.

Nothing ignorant about my comments, it's your lack of reading comprehension skills. I estimate you are actually comprehending about 35% of what I post, the other 65% is either being completely misunderstood, or you read it to mean something entirely different than intended. I can't diagnose your mental problems here, but you definitely have something going on that makes you unable to read my posts with any sense of comprehension or clarity.

People put faith in all kinds of things, including science. For the past decade, we have had to listen to the Global Warmers telling us about how science is conclusive on it, and has proven it to be a fact... the "inconvenient truth" and all that nonsense... come to find, their FAITH let them down... the science failed them. Mott routinely claims that science has proven we all evolved from a common ancestor, again... it is based on his FAITH, not on FACT.

I did indeed post where I got that 95% number, it's in my opening post. Of the entire world population, 5% (or less) claim to be nihilists. Unless you are a nihilist, you can't say you believe in nothing spiritual. 100 minus 5 equals 95, doesn't it? To top this off, PMP posted a link to a study which supports my argument, so the number is legitimate, it has been "peer reviewed" and supported with a study... yet you somehow don't see it.... amazing!!


Ditzie... this is your standard MO. Everytime someone shows you what a fool you are, you pretend they somehow twisted your words. Look back on the thread ditzie. The only one twisting other peoples words is YOU.

No one has shown me to be a fool in this thread, although you continue to claim that. It's really bizarre! Do you think this will work for you? Just keep claiming it, and maybe people will start believing it? Is that what you're doing? As of yet, you have offered absolutely NOTHING to refute a damn word that I have actually said... you are doing really good at refuting stupid silly shit no one ever said though.

I do not desire to find a commonality with an idiot. Again, you cling to your moronic positions despite being shown how wrong you are. You do this time and again. Then you whimper and cry when people make fun of you for doing so. I don't have to 'make myself look smarter than you' ditzie. I am smarter than you. You are a simpleton. You are a little boy who clings to his fantasy world as tight as he can. You fear letting go because out in the real world, people mock you for your ignorance, just as they do here.

You are quite the sad specimen. Do try to grow up and educate yourself.

Where the fuck have you shown me to be wrong????????? I swear, I am scouring the thread, looking... searching... trying to find one place where you have proven me wrong, presented something to contradict what I said, or even presented a rational argument to counter what I said. Nope... all I see is you twisting my words, making out like I have said things I never said, and hurling an insult at me every other breath.

You can insult me from now til the end of time, it doesn't bother me a bit. I think it shows just how devoid of substance you are here, and how much you lack any kind of relative point. Otherwise, you would be articulating those points, addressing what I said and not what you want to claim I said... It speaks volumes, if you ask me.
 
there is no evidence to suggest that believing in god is a prerequisite for the survival of our species. there is evidence however that it has held us back, i.e. idiots being against stem cell research, which can lead to curing disease and impairments.
 
Christian's are afraid to die? You obviously don't know church history dweeb.


yes. christians and all religious people are afraid to die. So much so that they have to invent fairy tales to make themselves sleep better at night. They are cowering shells of a human being.
 
yes. christians and all religious people are afraid to die. So much so that they have to invent fairy tales to make themselves sleep better at night. They are cowering shells of a human being.

Your description sounds more reflective of yourself than any Christian I know. Seriously grind, you come off as a "cowering shell of a human being". Just an observation nothing personal.
 
I don't take it personal, though I don't see how one would draw that conclusion. I must go to sleep though, so we will have to continue this conversation tomorrow
 
there is no evidence to suggest that believing in god is a prerequisite for the survival of our species. there is evidence however that it has held us back, i.e. idiots being against stem cell research, which can lead to curing disease and impairments.

Since I have friends in the medical research community I know that harvesting stem cells from aborted fetuses is not neccesary to do stem cell research. That your empty headed idiocy allows for you to make such ignorant broad brush strokes about why there are moral objections to "certain types" of stem cell research, goes to show YOU are the stupid idiot.
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'True' means provable and forecastable. We may know something to be true because we have direct and tangible evidence of it or we may know that there is sufficient empirical evidence for something to exist.

True does not mean provable or forcastable. The dictionary says it means; "being in accordance with the actual state or conditions; conforming to reality or fact; not false." This can be applied to God. You will admit, either God does or doesn't exist in a spiritual sense.... one of these are true and the other is false. Either way, neither are "forcastable or provable" but one has to be true.

We've already established that we have no evidence to suggest the physical existence of God. We will likely never obtain this, because God is (as I understand) not a part of the physical realm of existence, it is a spiritual entity. Unless science develops some way to measure and record non-physical entities, it will always and forever be impossible to scientifically prove God exists. This doesn't mean that God doesn't exist, because science doesn't conclude this, and it never can.

But again, we get into a philosophical thing about what "EXIST" means? In our human understanding, something is said to "exist" when it is present in some physical state of being. God isn't a physical state of being, so "existence" in that sense, is not possible.

You understand what "dreams" are, I presume... can you prove dreams exist? Of course, you can hook up electronic machines and probes to the brain of a sleeping person and tell when they are dreaming, but can you determine what they are dreaming about? So how do we know that dreams exist? And do they actually "exist" if they aren't of the physical world?
 
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