8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

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I don't think it speaks to anything, dress codes in school have existed forever. To me it's a hilarious non-issue.

the point is that the kid followed the dress code. The dress code is not meant to be 'whatever the teacher decides on a given day'.

 

[NOVA]

IT looks like the sleeves are cut off to me, but who gives a shit, why should that be against dress code. To me, as long as your private parts are covered you are fine.

Looks to me like the sleeves are rolled up...underneath to make them appear shorter....but like we saner people say, who gives a shit besides HomoHowey.

 

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I would have to know more of the story to have an opinion. If he did nothing but say no, he should not have been arrested and would likely have a great case to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Exactly... we don't really know as the school and cops have thus far remained silent (to my knowledge). Thus we only have one side of the tale at this point. But from what we have learned thus far... the teacher was certainly out of line. The principal is as well for calling the cops. The cops... thus far they too look out of line for arresting the kid... though they may have a different side to the story.

 

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Looks to me like the sleeves are rolled up...underneath to make them appear shorter....but like we saner people say, who gives a shit besides HomoHowey.

Howey... the above is the type of nonsense I am referring to. It is the same type of hate filled crap that you have been spewing forth based on what the kid looks like or where he is from. You are stereotyping the kid because you don't like his lifestyle... think about that.

 

[Jarod]

People who say "no" when a cop asks them to sit down are sometimes tasered to death, but the idiots here actually spent a week waiving their arms and getting on their poutrage over this, and they don't even know what happened. It's amazing. I can't wait to see how long this goes on.

Let's see if you guys can do 600! Come on!

Republicans don't generally care when that happens, only if you were prevented from wearing an NRA shirt. If you are beaten like Rodney King was beaten, they don't understand why anyone would make a big deal about it.

Hell, you should hear what the social conservatives called Rosa Parks.

 

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Republicans don't generally care when that happens, only if you were prevented from wearing an NRA shirt. If you are beaten like Rodney King was beaten, they don't understand why anyone would make a big deal about it.

Pure nonsense.

Hell, you should hear what the social conservatives called Rosa Parks.

Link us up... what did they say about Rosa Parks?

 

[Jarod]

Exactly... we don't really know as the school and cops have thus far remained silent (to my knowledge). Thus we only have one side of the tale at this point. But from what we have learned thus far... the teacher was certainly out of line. The principal is as well for calling the cops. The cops... thus far they too look out of line for arresting the kid... though they may have a different side to the story.

I don't know why the principal called the cops, so I wont comment.
I don't know what actions the kid was arrested for, so I wont comment.
It appears the kid was arrested for something more than simply wearing that shirt, but if that's why, it was a wrongful arrest.

 

[Jarod]

Pure nonsense.



Link us up... what did they say about Rosa Parks?

Sadly, there is no link to the stories my father told me about when he was living in Montgomery during the Bus Boycotts.

 

[Howey]

Now I have a moral dilemma. I have a 7th grade student at school today who is wearing an NRA T-shirt ... And get this ... A matching Browning ball cap. We have the exact same wording in our student handbook as the school in this story. I checked the other day when this story was posted. As the Dean of Students at this public school should ask him to turn the shirt inside out or should I just I suspend this young man who heretofore has not been a discipline problem? Maybe I should contact his parents, one a science teacher here and the other our Superintendent. Oh what to do what to do?

lol...I'd stay the hell out of it.

LMAO... his shirt fit none of those... NONE.

Of course it did.

Let me make this plenty clear, Howey. School is a harmful institution when made authoritative. It's purpose is to promote intellectual and social growth in children - something that does not work by way of a strict, anti-individualistic environment. Sure, some need discipline, but the second you try to extend that universally, you've crossed a line. This was a non-harmful mode of expression, which is something that needs to be encourage, not criminalized.

My words are getting skewered here. First, school is not a harmful institution when authoritative, and your second sentence proves that. Part of the education experience is to promote intellectual and social growth, but equally important is to realize that following the rules and respecting authority, and authority figures, are essential to developing that social growth you speak of. It's not really about being strict or anti-individualist. Trust me, I attended DoD schools in Europe and they were bastions of authority, but we - as individuals - received the best education available and the life skills learned were outstanding.

And, trust me, I certainly dressed with individuality...though not in violation of the dress code. And I've always been a vocal supporter of individualism.

I'm just convinced this is, as Darla suspects, making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm suspect as to the stepfather's intentions, I'm suspect of the kid's behavior, and I'm suspect of the media handling of the situation. I don't consider teachers bad people, I don't consider school administrators bad people, and I certainly don't consider police bad people.

What I do know is that this has become an issue far more than a kid's right to wear a silly t-shirt to school and the fault for that doesn't lie with the teacher or the school.

If the kid was in the principals office when the cops arrived, then the cops simply took the word of the teacher that the kid was 'disruptive'. From the accounts that have been told thus far, all the kid did was tell the teacher no. He then got sent to the principals office, where he again said no. The cops showed up... asked him to sit down, he again said no. I have yet to see anything to show that the kid was disruptive.

Again...you fail to realize there were reports of the group of students he was with jumping on the cafeteria tables yelling his name as this was going down. Whether this is true or not? I don't know, but the description came from Jarod.

 

[Howey]

Now I have a moral dilemma. I have a 7th grade student at school today who is wearing an NRA T-shirt ... And get this ... A matching Browning ball cap. We have the exact same wording in our student handbook as the school in this story. I checked the other day when this story was posted. As the Dean of Students at this public school should ask him to turn the shirt inside out or should I just I suspend this young man who heretofore has not been a discipline problem? Maybe I should contact his parents, one a science teacher here and the other our Superintendent. Oh what to do what to do?

lol...I'd stay the hell out of it.

LMAO... his shirt fit none of those... NONE.

Of course it did.

Let me make this plenty clear, Howey. School is a harmful institution when made authoritative. It's purpose is to promote intellectual and social growth in children - something that does not work by way of a strict, anti-individualistic environment. Sure, some need discipline, but the second you try to extend that universally, you've crossed a line. This was a non-harmful mode of expression, which is something that needs to be encourage, not criminalized.

My words are getting skewered here. First, school is not a harmful institution when authoritative, and your second sentence proves that. Part of the education experience is to promote intellectual and social growth, but equally important is to realize that following the rules and respecting authority, and authority figures, are essential to developing that social growth you speak of. It's not really about being strict or anti-individualist. Trust me, I attended DoD schools in Europe and they were bastions of authority, but we - as individuals - received the best education available and the life skills learned were outstanding.

And, trust me, I certainly dressed with individuality...though not in violation of the dress code. And I've always been a vocal supporter of individualism.

I'm just convinced this is, as Darla suspects, making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm suspect as to the stepfather's intentions, I'm suspect of the kid's behavior, and I'm suspect of the media handling of the situation. I don't consider teachers bad people, I don't consider school administrators bad people, and I certainly don't consider police bad people.

What I do know is that this has become an issue far more than a kid's right to wear a silly t-shirt to school and the fault for that doesn't lie with the teacher or the school.

If the kid was in the principals office when the cops arrived, then the cops simply took the word of the teacher that the kid was 'disruptive'. From the accounts that have been told thus far, all the kid did was tell the teacher no. He then got sent to the principals office, where he again said no. The cops showed up... asked him to sit down, he again said no. I have yet to see anything to show that the kid was disruptive.

Again...you fail to realize there were reports of the group of students he was with jumping on the cafeteria tables yelling his name as this was going down. Whether this is true or not? I don't know, but the description came from Jarod.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

People who say "no" when a cop asks them to sit down are sometimes tasered to death

and that's the way things should be.....because we certainly wouldn't want a society in which someone said "no" to a police officer, would we.....

 

[USFREEDOM911]

nice space balls reference...

That said... the kid was arrested for wearing a tshirt. I know you don't care about a persons rights as long as it is those in 'authority' taking them away... but some of us do care. But please, keep on whining... it is amusing how little you care for a persons rights...

Since the Teacher and the school felt the NRA t-shirt was a violation; why didn't they ask that the ones being worn is support be turned inside out.
Answer: Because they knew they had overstepped their boundries and decided to deal with one lawsuit, instead of 101.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Link us up... what did they say about Rosa Parks?

I'm pretty sure I remember what the Democrats said about her.....I believe the word "uppity" was involved......

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Now I have a moral dilemma. I have a 7th grade student at school today who is wearing an NRA T-shirt ... And get this ... A matching Browning ball cap. We have the exact same wording in our student handbook as the school in this story. I checked the other day when this story was posted. As the Dean of Students at this public school should ask him to turn the shirt inside out or should I just I suspend this young man who heretofore has not been a discipline problem? Maybe I should contact his parents, one a science teacher here and the other our Superintendent. Oh what to do what to do?

Just have the kid arrested and then in your defense, you can use the other schools behavior to show that you were within your ability to do so.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You have a right to tell the cop no, I agree. But it does not give you the right to be disruptive.

Disruptive is subjective, when it comes to being arrested.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

If the kid was in the principals office when the cops arrived, then the cops simply took the word of the teacher that the kid was 'disruptive'. From the accounts that have been told thus far, all the kid did was tell the teacher no. He then got sent to the principals office, where he again said no. The cops showed up... asked him to sit down, he again said no. I have yet to see anything to show that the kid was disruptive.

How dare a "child" say NO to an authority figure.
Doesn't he know that ALL authority figures are always correct and their word is LAW!!
If they told him to jump off the roof, his only proper response should be; Which side, Sir.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Exactly... we don't really know as the school and cops have thus far remained silent (to my knowledge). Thus we only have one side of the tale at this point. But from what we have learned thus far... the teacher was certainly out of line. The principal is as well for calling the cops. The cops... thus far they too look out of line for arresting the kid... though they may have a different side to the story.

Since most schools have camera's in the hallways, classrooms, cafeterias, and even the front office; it'll be interesting if anything is released.
Personally: I doubt that we'll ever see anything; because the school is going to fold and give some lame excuse as to the situation not being worth the effort to prove that they were correct.

 

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Of course it did.

Wow, you are obsessed with trying to convict this kid. None of those applied to his shirt. No matter how much you really really want them to.

What I do know is that this has become an issue far more than a kid's right to wear a silly t-shirt to school and the fault for that doesn't lie with the teacher or the school.

The fault absolutely lies with the teacher and the school.

Again...you fail to realize there were reports of the group of students he was with jumping on the cafeteria tables yelling his name as this was going down. Whether this is true or not? I don't know, but the description came from Jarod.

Link us up to the report. Show where it was the kids actions that led to it and not the teachers actions. It was the teacher that instigated this... not the kid. The kid is not responsible for the others students reaction. The teacher is.

 

[Howey]

Link us up to the report. Show where it was the kids actions that led to it and not the teachers actions. It was the teacher that instigated this... not the kid. The kid is not responsible for the others students reaction. The teacher is.

It's already in the link I gave.

"I believe the teacher was acting beyond the scope of his employment," he said. "What the video shows is that students did step up on the benches to the tables in the lunchroom when they were escorting Jared out of building. Kids jumped up, clapping. Teachers said to get off and be quiet, and they did.

That, my friend, is caused creating a disruption.

 

[Jarod]

I'm pretty sure I remember what the Democrats said about her.....I believe the word "uppity" was involved......

Yes they we're Democrats, those same people now call themselves Republicans and have always called themselves Social Conservatives!