8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

leaningright said:
Oh, and on the overall gist of this I do want to wait until all of the facts come out, but do tend to think that if the kid did indeed cause such a disturbance then he deserved to be kicked out of school...but probably not arrested. There is a right way and a wrong way to handle situations like this on both sides, the school's as well as the kid's/parent's. sounds like neither side handled it well.
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Exactly. Thank you. That's the point I've been making and getting pilloried for.
 
Socrtease said:
People have been arrested for simply refusing to stop recording a police officer in the line of duty. Almost every time the cop has been wrong. But as Mott says, you must respect their authority.
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Where did I say that? Just stop the silly rhetoric Soc. I've simply have pointed out over and over and over again that the OP was dishonest. That the kid was not arrested for what he was wearing. Why do you have a problem with the truth?
 
Howey said:
Since the so-called father of this kid (apparently he's a stepfather...why won't he adopt him?) admits on his youtube channel (must see!) that he was arrested for resisting an officer and disrupting school, there's not much doubt about that, is there?
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1) the boys biological father might have something to say about that, and 2) again, simply saying 'NO' can get one arrested for disruption, obstruction, or even resisting.
 
Socrtease said:
Exactly, but ONLY because the kid was wearing a shirt that supports a "right wing" agenda. If the kid had been removed from school because the teacher was offended by a shirt with the image of Martin Luther King on it and the kid refused, you and I would still be upset by it, but so would Mott and Dung. There would be no disagreement here.
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The problem is, the kid was not arrested for the t-shirt, then I would be upset, but he wasn't.
 
Superfreak said:
1) He did by all accounts do so
2) Quit comparing this to Rosa Parks... you think you are being clever, but you are insulting what Parks did by doing so. They are nowhere near the same.
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1) WHere are these accounts?
2) I am not comparing this kid to RP, I am saying he should have followed her example and if he did he would be acting like a hero. Ms. Parks, after the leaders of the SRM tried to address the rule about black people being in the back of the bus, quietly and respectfully took a seat in the front of the bus. She was arrested, she did not resist. Then she addressed the law she was arrested for disobaying. Had she been obstructive or failed to obey the cop when he tried to arrest her, she would not have been as successfull.
 
Thing1 said:
No one is arguing that, but neither is anyone arguing that the shirt is the reason he got arrested.

I'm just surprised at the reaction to the story. I would hope a story like this would engender more of a reaction about the intolerance for wearing a simple t-shirt.
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Yes, they are, SF and Soc have both drawn this conclusion, read their posts.
 
Jarod said:
I think the jumping to the conculsion that the kid was arrested for the message on the shirt is being done by Conservatives.
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I think you're jumping to conclusion that the kid did something physically disruptive or started yelling and screaming and fighting the police.....

The kid just refused to remove the shirt is the only thing we know happened...
and the reason he was asked to remove the shirt WAR because of the message on the shirt......
 
Jarod said:
1) WHere are these accounts?
2) I am not comparing this kid to RP, I am saying he should have followed her example and if he did he would be acting like a hero. Ms. Parks, after the leaders of the SRM tried to address the rule about black people being in the back of the bus, quietly and respectfully took a seat in the front of the bus. She was arrested, she did not resist. Then she addressed the law she was arrested for disobaying. Had she been obstructive or failed to obey the cop when he tried to arrest her, she would not have been as successfull.
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Why are assuming he didn't act respectfully and calmly ?
 
NOVA said:
I think you're jumping to conclusion that the kid did something physically disruptive or started yelling and screaming and fighting the police.....

The kid just refused to remove the shirt is the only thing we know happened...
and the reason he was asked to remove the shirt WAR because of the message on the shirt......
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That's true. It's equally true that he was arrested for creating a disturbance and obstructing a police officer. Not for wearing a shirt.

Now whether he really did create a disturbance, I'm sure we shall find out.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's true. It's equally true that he was arrested for creating a disturbance and obstructing a police officer. Not for wearing a shirt.

Now whether he really did create a disturbance, I'm sure we shall find out.
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I have yet to hear
what he did to earn the "obstructing a police officer' charge.....

And you're being obtuse for ignoring the FACT that the entire issue is his shirt and refusal to remove it....
 
Rana said:
The problem is, the kid was not arrested for the t-shirt, then I would be upset, but he wasn't.
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Your right he was arrested for just saying no. In my above scenario, if the kid got arrested for saying no to removing a MLK shirt we would all be outraged. But when it comes to guns, only some of us are.
 
Another thing I find interesting is that Mott is ONLY willing to believe the school. The kid in an interview with a news station says he never raised his voice and only JUST refused to remove the shirt. This is a kid that has otherwise a spotless record. Something else alluded to by the news reports. So a kid that has NEVER be a discipline problem just out of the blue causes such a disturbance that he gets arrested?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL.....Tell The Truth!!

That's what's so aggravating about gun nuts on this issue. It's the manner in which you incredibly over react if someone even tangentially disagrees with you.
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You ask people to 'tell the truth', yet the entire time you dismiss and ignore the fact that it was the teacher that was in the wrong. If the teacher had not acted improperly, NONE of this would have occurred. But you continue to ignore that.

You keep dishonetly trying to make this an issue about gun rights, what's said on a tshirt, authority, etc and it's all bullshit.
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1) NO ONE has made this about gun rights
2) NO ONE has said that what was on the Tshirt was wrong.... except the abusive teacher
3) This IS all about authority and its abuse of power

You won't admit to the honest fact that what landed this kid in hot water was his behavior, not what he was weearing.
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1) That is not an 'honest fact'... that is your bullshit. There is NO account that shows this kid misbehaved. He said no to the teachers request and got sent to the principal for it. The school then called that a 'disruption' which is bullshit.

2) Again... the kid NEVER would have had any reaction at all if the TEACHER had not acted inappropriately.

the only one being dishonest about the events is you.

You're either being incredibly obtuse, as Rana observed, or just plain dishonest.

It's not about the shirt.
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Ironic given it is you that is being both dishonest and obtuse.
 
Rana said:
Who here is arguing he has no right to wear the shirt?
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No one here, but the TEACHER did. Yet you and Mutt and others continue to ignore the FACT that the teacher is the one that acted inappropriately. The teacher is the one that should be suspended. Saying that an 8th grader reacted poorly to the abusive nature of the teacher and thus it is his fault is pure nonsense.
 
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