8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

Rana said:
Show me proof he was arrested for wearing the t-shirt, thanks.
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From the story:

Police confirmed that Marcum had been arrested and faced charges of obstruction and disturbing the education process after getting into an argument over the shirt with a teacher at Logan Middle School, which is south of Charleston.
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Show me the proof that the cops would ever have been called had he been meek and asked how high when the teacher ordered him to jump.

It's the fruit of a poisoned tree, Rana. The teacher demanded he remove a shirt that he was within his rights to wear, the school admits it. The teacher caused the disturbance for which he was arrested. IMO, it is the teacher who should be arrested for "disturbing the education process".
 
Rana said:
I tell my children to comply with the police. I tell them it is the best course of action, then if necessary our lawyer can sort it out. I don't think it is a good idea for children to defy a policeman in their line of duty.
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He complied with the police. I tell my children to allow them to arrest them but to never, ever, ever say a thing until one of their parents gets there. That wasn't the issue here, the teacher wasn't going to shoot him, and he was following the rules. It was the teacher who was out of line, I would not only expect an apology from the teacher, a personally delivered one, I'd expect the Principal to be there as a character witness with the police at my kid's trial and I'd expect the teacher to take their medicine for interrupting the education process improperly. There is zero chance I'd let this drop.

I would go "overboard" to ensure that my child does not suffer consequences for standing up for what is right. I call it "sorting it out afterward".
 
Damocles said:
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Show me the proof that the cops would ever have been called had he been meek and asked how high when the teacher ordered him to jump.

It's the fruit of a poisoned tree, Rana. The teacher demanded he remove a shirt that he was within his rights to wear, the school admits it. The teacher caused the disturbance for which he was arrested. IMO, it is the teacher who should be arrested for "disturbing the education process".
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You make a lot of assumptions.

I still see no charges of wearing a t-shirt.
 
Damocles said:
I'd support the right of an idiot wearing a Brady T-shirt, I'd support the right of the kid to wear an NRA t-shirt. The idea that this kid could be arrested for it, kicked out of school, all because of one teacher who felt his authority weakened by this kid's rights...

Absolutely I'd go "overboard" protecting my child from having their rights torn from them by dictating idiots whether "left" or "right"...
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So the one wearing a Brady t-shirt is an idiot and the one wearing an NRA shirt is a kid. Nice to see which symbolic speech has your respect. Thank goodness you're not one of the teachers in my school district.
 
Damocles said:
He complied with the police. I tell my children to allow them to arrest them but to never, ever, ever say a thing until one of their parents gets there. That wasn't the issue here, the teacher wasn't going to shoot him, and he was following the rules. It was the teacher who was out of line, I would not only expect an apology from the teacher, a personally delivered one, I'd expect the Principal to be there as a character witness with the police at my kid's trial and I'd expect the teacher to take their medicine for interrupting the education process improperly. There is zero chance I'd let this drop.

I would go "overboard" to ensure that my child does not suffer consequences for standing up for what is right. I call it "sorting it out afterward".
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By his own admission, the police told him to sit down and he refused. I don't know the teachers or the police's side of the story. We have only heard from the boy and his attorney.
 
Rana said:
You make a lot of assumptions.

I still see no charges of wearing a t-shirt.
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He's as obtuse as the rest. There no sentence anywhere that he was arrested for wearing a t-shirt and I'd like to see a police report saying he was. Amazing the way these people can spin the facts to fit their mental framework.
 
christiefan915 said:
So the one wearing a Brady t-shirt is an idiot and the one wearing an NRA shirt is a kid. Nice to see which symbolic speech has your respect. Thank goodness you're not one of the teachers in my school district.
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Firstly, why? Because he wore an NRA shirt? You're either lying in one or the other...

In either instance their speech would be defended by me. And both would be "the kid" in a description of the event. You'd do well and be well-served if I were a teacher in your kid's school district, as a teacher I would have intervened on your kid's behalf if this was happening to him and he was wearing a Brady shirt or an NRA shirt. It wouldn't matter to me what the opinion on the shirt was so long as it was within the rules.
 
Rana said:
By his own admission, the police told him to sit down and he refused. I don't know the teachers or the police's side of the story. We have only heard from the boy and his attorney.
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That's the "obstruction" part. And you'll notice I never mentioned that part... He was arrested, clearly he didn't fight the cops when that happened.

And he was arguing about the shirt, Rana. The shirt is the central theme to all of this. Fruit from the poisoned tree. The teacher stepped overboard, the kid argued, the teacher called the cops... It's pretty standard fare. The shirt was the root cause of the entire event.
 
Damocles said:
Absolutely not. "Respect" does run both ways and rights are rights regardless of the amount of disrespect you hope your child will swallow because the great gods of Authority told them to swallow....

Seriously, this is lunacy. I teach my kid not to fight, unless attacked. I teach my kid to follow the rules and if you aren't then you face the consequences, and lastly I teach my kid to stand up for what is right, even if the Great God of Authority is telling her to do what they know to be wrong.

If the rules allowed for this shirt I'd be more proud of my child for standing up for what is right than I ever would be for them coming home with an inside out shirt because they quietly acquiesced to authority when they were wrong.
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Really Damo it's hard to believe you're being this thick. Obviously I wouldn't expect my kids to passively receive bullying, molestation or physical abuse. I teach my kids the same things you teach yours, with the addition of not throwing fuel on a fire when a situation gets heated. You guys remind me of gang bangers and their insistence on respect and not being dissed. It's pretty clear this kid was a pawn in his dad's quest for 15 minutes of fame.
 
christiefan915 said:
Really Damo it's hard to believe you're being this thick. Obviously I wouldn't expect my kids to passively receive bullying, molestation or physical abuse. I teach my kids the same things you teach yours, with the addition of not throwing fuel on a fire when a situation gets heated. You guys remind me of gang bangers and their insistence on respect and not being dissed. It's pretty clear this kid was a pawn in his dad's quest for 15 minutes of fame.
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It's pretty clear that you want it to be that. IMO, it is clear the kid stood up for what he understood was the right, and for that I would be proud of my child and defend him. I'd be a bit ashamed of my kid meekly coming back in a shirt turned inside out.

Do you have evidence other than what you "feel" that the kid only wore the shirt because the father ordered it? I'm willing to listen.
 
Damocles said:
From the story:

Show me the proof that the cops would ever have been called had he been meek and asked how high when the teacher ordered him to jump.

It's the fruit of a poisoned tree, Rana. The teacher demanded he remove a shirt that he was within his rights to wear, the school admits it. The teacher caused the disturbance for which he was arrested. IMO, it is the teacher who should be arrested for "disturbing the education process".
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Hyperbole.
 
Damocles said:
Firstly, why? Because he wore an NRA shirt? You're either lying in one or the other...

In either instance their speech would be defended by me. And both would be "the kid" in a description of the event. You'd do well and be well-served if I were a teacher in your kid's school district, as a teacher I would have intervened on your kid's behalf if this was happening to him and he was wearing a Brady shirt or an NRA shirt. It wouldn't matter to me what the opinion on the shirt was so long as it was within the rules.
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"Firstly, why?" Huh?? You gave the example that the Brady wearer would be an idiot, not me.
 
christiefan915 said:
Hyperbole.
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No, responsibility. If I were the principal I would absolutely have that teacher under my thumb for overstepping their authority and thrusting their political opinion onto another who was not breaking the rules. And again, it wouldn't matter if it were a left-wing shirt and a right-wing teacher, as a teacher you do not get to press your political views to the detriment of the education of the students of the school.

The teacher caused the incident by overstepping boundaries, he would (and should) be held accountable. And if it were my kid I'd be holding that principal's feet to the fire.
 
christiefan915 said:
"Firstly, why?" Huh?? You gave the example that the Brady wearer would be an idiot, not me.
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Yet you thought that I would somehow punish your kid for what you assumed I thought was the "smart" shirt? Please. You are getting deeper as you go. You twist and turn to support this type of authoritarian. I guarantee if it were a pro-abortion shirt you'd have flipped and demanded the teacher be fired for pushing "religious views"...

While I wouldn't be demanding firing, I'd be with you to defend the kid with the pro-abortion shirt.
 
Damocles said:
That's the "obstruction" part. And you'll notice I never mentioned that part... He was arrested, clearly he didn't fight the cops when that happened.

And he was arguing about the shirt, Rana. The shirt is the central theme to all of this. Fruit from the poisoned tree. The teacher stepped overboard, the kid argued, the teacher called the cops... It's pretty standard fare. The shirt was the root cause of the entire event.
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Wish we had the audio evidence of the school calling the cops and asking them to come arrest a kid because they don't like his t-shirt.
 
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