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'Nearly 8 in 10 said they thought it was more important to provide universal access to health insurance than to extend the tax cuts of recent years; 18 percent said the tax cuts were more important.

What's absolutely amazing about this (and it's music to my ears), is that the American people have come to this position on their own. Absolutely no leadership on the issue. Let's face it, they didn't get the idea to invade Iraq on their own. They were (mis)led to it. But on health care, they are so far ahead of any politician that were the average american citizen to be running for office, they would be denounced by opponents as socialists!

What could happen if we had some leadership? One person who was leading us on this, who was presenting, explaining and advocating, say, single payer?

A tidal wave.

March 2, 2007
Most Support U.S. Guarantee of Health Care
By ROBIN TONER and JANET ELDER
A majority of Americans say the federal government should guarantee health insurance to every American, especially children, and are willing to pay higher taxes to do it, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

While the war in Iraq remains the overarching issue in the early stages of the 2008 campaign, access to affordable health care is at the top of the public’s domestic agenda, ranked far more important than immigration, cutting taxes or promoting traditional values.

Only 24 percent said they were satisfied with President Bush’s handling of the health insurance issue, despite his recent initiatives, and 62 percent said the Democrats were more likely to improve the health care system.

Americans showed a striking willingness in the poll to make tradeoffs to guarantee health insurance for all, including paying as much as $500 more in taxes a year and forgoing future tax cuts.

But the same divisions that doomed the last effort at creating universal health insurance, under the Clinton administration, are still apparent. Americans remain divided, largely along party lines, over whether the government should require everyone to participate in a national health care plan, and over whether the government would do a better job than the private insurance industry in providing coverage.

Looking ahead to the presidential campaign, 36 percent of Americans polled said they had confidence in the ability of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, to “make the right decisions on health care,” while 49 percent said they were uneasy about her.

But Mrs. Clinton retained the confidence of nearly 6 in 10 Democrats on the issue, despite the politically devastating collapse 13 years ago of the national health initiative she helped develop early in her husband’s presidency.

The poll helps explain why health care already looms large in the presidential campaign, and in statehouses from California — where Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has proposed a sweeping coverage plan — to Massachusetts, now instituting a program passed under Mitt Romney, the former governor and current Republican presidential candidate.

John Edwards, the Democratic presidential candidate and former senator from North Carolina, recently unveiled his own attempt at a consensus plan, one that would require everyone to have insurance and require employers to provide it or pay into a fund that would do so. Nearly 4 in 10 said that was a good idea; nearly half said they were unsure.

While Democrats are traditionally strong supporters of expanding health coverage, this survey found many Republicans and independents in agreement.

“I think everybody should have some kind of health care available to them,” said Diane Manning, 66, of Vancouver, Wash., who described herself as an independent.

“I don’t necessarily think that socialized medicine is the answer, but I think everyone should have that right,” said Mrs. Manning, who participated in the poll and agreed to a follow-up interview. “And there are so many people that don’t.”

Nearly 47 million people in the United States, or more than 15 percent of the population, now go without health insurance, up 6.8 million since 2000.

The poll also found overwhelming support behind the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which covers many low- and moderate-income children and is up for renewal in Congress this year. Eighty-four percent of those polled said they supported expanding the current program to cover all uninsured children, now estimated at more than eight million. A similar majority said they thought the lack of health insurance for many children was a “very serious” problem for the country.

The nationwide telephone poll of 1,281 adults was conducted Feb. 23- 27, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

The poll found Americans across party lines willing to make some sacrifice to ensure that every American has access to health insurance. Sixty percent, including 62 percent of independents and 46 percent of Republicans, said they would be willing to pay more in taxes. Half said they would be willing to pay as much as $500 a year more.

Nearly 8 in 10 said they thought it was more important to provide universal access to health insurance than to extend the tax cuts of recent years; 18 percent said the tax cuts were more important.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/washington/02poll.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
 
Interesting. Well what Health Care plans should we as a country adopt? How will the doctors get paid for treating patients? Are there any plans out there that any of our politicians or 'think tanks' have proposed?
 
There are so many health plans out there, you couldn't keep track of them all. You're not meant to, I think. Many are overly-complicated.

Paul Krugman, whose opinion holds a lot of weight with me, likes the single-payer and believes we can do it, and do it better than anyone in the world. He also has some good things (and some not so good things, but over all, gives decent reviews) to Arnold's health care proposal for California.

I'm completely open to looking at different plans, but as of right now, I'd love to see the single payer too. I do believe that America, who already spends more dollars on health care than all of the top industrial nations, can take that money and institute a plan that will work for this country. One thing is certain, other than about 18% of the population which as usc points out probably still support bush and his war, we've at least come to the realization that something has to be done. That's a big step.
 
There are so many health plans out there, you couldn't keep track of them all. You're not meant to, I think. Many are overly-complicated.

Paul Krugman, whose opinion holds a lot of weight with me, likes the single-payer and believes we can do it, and do it better than anyone in the world. He also has some good things (and some not so good things, but over all, gives decent reviews) to Arnold's health care proposal for California.

I'm completely open to looking at different plans, but as of right now, I'd love to see the single payer too. I do believe that America, who already spends more dollars on health care than all of the top industrial nations, can take that money and institute a plan that will work for this country. One thing is certain, other than about 18% of the population which as usc points out probably still support bush and his war, we've at least come to the realization that something has to be done. That's a big step.
The shocker here is, ask LadyT, I have advocated the single-payer system if we enter into such a position for years now...
 
'Nearly 8 in 10 said they thought it was more important to provide universal access to health insurance than to extend the tax cuts of recent years; 18 percent said the tax cuts were more important.


I wonder if this poll is of all americans, or of likely voters.


These people need to vote.
 
some form of single payer system is probably the cheapest and most efficient.

And for bush fans: No, "single payer" doesn't mean the government owns hospitals and clinics, nor do doctors become government employees. That's socialized health care, like they have in the UK.
 
some form of single payer system is probably the cheapest and most efficient.

And for bush fans: No, "single payer" doesn't mean the government owns hospitals and clinics, nor do doctors become government employees. That's socialized health care, like they have in the UK.
Which is one of the reasons I am an advocate of such a system if we are going to do Universal Care. I'd prefer it be state by state at the beginning to see if somebody can come up with better, but they'd be hard-pressed to do so.

A regional system of single-payer would present the best care at the best cost from all Universal systems that I have seen. It also does not limit people who wish to pay for direct care from getting their liposuction, etc.
 
'Nearly 8 in 10 said they thought it was more important to provide universal access to health insurance than to extend the tax cuts of recent years; 18 percent said the tax cuts were more important.


I wonder if this poll is of all americans, or of likely voters.


These people need to vote.

Yeah that's the disconnect. Do they vote? Do they get distracted at election time by things like, oh say, fear? I don't know where the disconnect is.
 
Yeah that's the disconnect. Do they vote? Do they get distracted at election time by things like, oh say, fear? I don't know where the disconnect is.


I think its pretty simple: while a lot of americans want universal health care, that's not the reason they vote for someone. A lot of them will look at a guy like Ronald Reagan as say to themselves: "Wow. That guy looks like a cowboy, and he seems like a great guy to hang out with.".


And I think the media helps hypnotize people into thinking policy issues are not something that they, as an individual, can really effect. There's a disconnect between the consequences of their vote, and public policy. All they're seeing in the media is Anna Nicole Smith's funeral, and missing white chicks in Aruba.
 
The shocker here is, ask LadyT, I have advocated the single-payer system if we enter into such a position for years now...

C'est Vrai. I also agree that a state by state plan is better than trying to administer it at the federal level.
 
Politicians should love this, they should get massive donations from the healtch care industires to get contracts for the single payor services.....
 
States should try programs to get universal care for children. I have always believed that if children have a universal right to education they ought to have one for healthcare to. Its not like a child in in a position to better their situation so that they can get affordable health insurance.

We'll see how these programs go and make decisions about how to deal with adults from there.

Pennsylvania has a program called CHIP which grants health insurance to children up to age 19 regardless of income.

States can analyze PAs program to see if it is right for them and even expand upon it.

This is what is good about the federal system.
 
States should try programs to get universal care for children. I have always believed that if children have a universal right to education they ought to have one for healthcare to. Its not like a child in in a position to better their situation so that they can get affordable health insurance.

We'll see how these programs go and make decisions about how to deal with adults from there.

Pennsylvania has a program called CHIP which grants health insurance to children up to age 19 regardless of income.

States can analyze PAs program to see if it is right for them and even expand upon it.

This is what is good about the federal system.


As long as its a health insurance plan that's run by the government. I don't think I'd want hospitals and staff run by the state or the feds. Looking at Katrina and the feds utter lack of preparedness makes me absolutely terrified at what the results would be if the federal governement was actually in charge of my medical care
 
States should try programs to get universal care for children. I have always believed that if children have a universal right to education they ought to have one for healthcare to. Its not like a child in in a position to better their situation so that they can get affordable health insurance.

We'll see how these programs go and make decisions about how to deal with adults from there.

Pennsylvania has a program called CHIP which grants health insurance to children up to age 19 regardless of income.

States can analyze PAs program to see if it is right for them and even expand upon it.

This is what is good about the federal system.


Pennsylvania has a program called CHIP which grants health insurance to children up to age 19 regardless of income. States can analyze PAs program to see if it is right for them and even expand upon it. This is what is good about the federal system.


CHIP is a fderally authorized program, and partially funded by the feds. The States are authorized to implement it. Just like medicaid. I believe CHIP was passed under Clinton, by the Feds
 
Odd that not all states have it. As far as I know Jersey doesn't have a CHIP program. Does Cali?

As you know my strict constructionist view makes me prefer the states fund it. Funny I pay more state income tax than federal income tax.
 
Odd that not all states have it. As far as I know Jersey doesn't have a CHIP program. Does Cali?

As you know my strict constructionist view makes me prefer the states fund it. Funny I pay more state income tax than federal income tax.


Yes, I'm pretty sure all states have it. Even california. Though it may be adminstered under different names - like Medical.

Even redneck, backwards Texas has CHIPS. Although, they are shit heads about funding it.
 
As far as I know Jersey doesn't have a CHIP program


US Dept of Health and Human Services

August 1999 Press Release

HHS APPROVES NEW JERSEY EXPANSION OF CHILDREN'S HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN

HHS Secretary Donna E. Shalala has approved New Jersey's proposal to expand health insurance coverage to uninsured children through the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP).

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Yeah, all states have CHIP
 
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