8 Facts That Prove the Tea Party Is Ignorant of the U.S. Constitution

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

LOL, doublewide Dixie thinks because there are "government-run hospitals" in an area, people should live longer...

No, that's Apples argument, not mine.

The District of Columbia boasts one of the finest health care systems in the country.

Yet, DC has the lowest per capita life expectancy! You just proved my point, thank you!

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

No, that's Apples argument, not mine. Yet, DC has the lowest per capita life expectancy! You just proved my point, thank you!

Christ, you're stupid.

Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health



Care to present some evidence to prove that hospital density equates to longevity?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Care to present some evidence to prove that hospital density equates to longevity?

I did not make that argument, idiot! Apple wants to claim that better health care (i.e; more hospitals) equates to longevity, and I REFUTED that! How about learning how to fucking READ you ignorant hick?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I did not make that argument, idiot! Apple wants to claim that better health care (i.e; more hospitals) equates to longevity, and I REFUTED that! How about learning how to fucking READ you ignorant hick?

LOL, doublewide Dixie in denial...

Look at the life expectancy by state... Hawaiians have the longest life expectancy, but Hawaii doesn't have more hospitals and doctors or better health care than other states. The lowest life expectancy is Washington DC, and there are more government-run hospitals there, per capita, than anywhere else in the country. Why do Hawaiians live longer?...

Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

LOL, doublewide Dixie in denial...


Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health

You are still trying to make a connection between health care and longevity which simply doesn't exist! As you pointed out yourself, Washington DC has state-of-the-art medical facilities, yet DC has the shortest life expectancy. Hawaiians requiring less health care is not proof that better health care makes people live longer, if anything, it proves that Hawaiians enjoy longer lives, regardless of the better health care system, which they use less frequently. This could be due to any number of things, and is in fact, due to MANY things, most notably, a less stressful lifestyle and less travel.

You are the one in denial here, and ignorantly clinging to some idiocy you've concocted, which doesn't even comport with logic or reason. You have no basis for the claims you are making, and even though you have been refuted, you continue to mouth the same ignorance over and over again, as if repeating ignorance will make it truth.

 

[zappasguitar]

LOL, doublewide Dixie in denial...





Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health

You're wasting your breath...Dix will just come up with some more nonsense excuses to "prove" that better health care isn't responsible for longer lives...like claiming that Hawaiians live linger because they are surrounded by water...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You're wasting your breath...Dix will just come up with some more nonsense excuses to "prove" that better health care isn't responsible for longer lives...like claiming that Hawaiians live linger because they are surrounded by water...

Well, as a matter of fact, because Hawaii is an ISLAND, and people are restricted as to how many miles they can travel, there are far fewer highway fatalities, which contributes to longer lives on average. Can you refute that fact, or not?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

The purpose would be the reasons offered could be debunked and, hopefully, you'd understand.

But see; you've "debunked" none of what has been presented, but you have just dismissed it.
When you have been presented with facts, all you do is to start up your circular logic train and then you just ride it round and round and round.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Hawaiian health couldn't have anything to do with this fact that doublewide Dixie keeps ignoring, could it?

Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Hawaiian health couldn't have anything to do with this fact that doublewide Dixie keeps ignoring, could it?

Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health

You keep repeating it, but it still doesn't prove that their longevity is related to health care. It just doesn't! You can keep repeating it, and it still won't mean what you wish for it to mean. You can try to argue that I am making claims I haven't made, or saying things I haven't said, and it still won't make it mean what you want it to mean.

Hawaiians also live in freaking paradise, with relatively low crime rates and depression, and limited travel, due to being an island. Those all factor into why people tend to live longer there, but you wish to ignore all other factors, and insist that it's because a few more percent of the people are insured, when even by your own admission, they use the health care system less because they don't get sick as often.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

You keep repeating it, but it still doesn't prove that their longevity is related to health care. It just doesn't! You can keep repeating it, and it still won't mean what you wish for it to mean. You can try to argue that I am making claims I haven't made, or saying things I haven't said, and it still won't make it mean what you want it to mean.
Hawaiians also live in freaking paradise, with relatively low crime rates and depression, and limited travel, due to being an island. Those all factor into why people tend to live longer there, but you wish to ignore all other factors, and insist that it's because a few more percent of the people are insured, when even by your own admission, they use the health care system less because they don't get sick as often.

So the early diagnoses and preventive measures that occur when people have access to affordable healthcare don't affect the overall health of a population, doublewide?

There are great variations in life expectancy between different parts of the world, mostly caused by differences in public health, medical care and diet...


Asian-Americans live the longest of all ethnic groups in the United States, with a life expectancy of 87 years, almost ten years longer than Euro-Americans.


These variations among ethnic groups may be ascribed to differing economic circumstances of the groups, and in the United States, notably differing access to health care.


It may also be ascribed to different cultural patterns of eating or diet that may cross international lines and explain the variation within ethnic groups in a multiethnic society such as the United States.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Regional_variations

 

[zappasguitar]

So the early diagnoses and preventive measures that occur when people have access to affordable healthcare don't affect the overall health of a population, doublewide?

There are great variations in life expectancy between different parts of the world, mostly caused by differences in public health, medical care and diet...


Asian-Americans live the longest of all ethnic groups in the United States, with a life expectancy of 87 years, almost ten years longer than Euro-Americans.


These variations among ethnic groups may be ascribed to differing economic circumstances of the groups, and in the United States, notably differing access to health care.


It may also be ascribed to different cultural patterns of eating or diet that may cross international lines and explain the variation within ethnic groups in a multiethnic society such as the United States.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Regional_variations

And in Dixie's world, taking you car in for regular oil changes, tuneups and other preventative maintenance doesn't increase the lifetime of the vehicle either...

 

[zappasguitar]

Well, as a matter of fact, because Hawaii is an ISLAND, and people are restricted as to how many miles they can travel, there are far fewer highway fatalities, which contributes to longer lives on average. Can you refute that fact, or not?

Well last time I checked, planes were able to take off and land on most, if not all the Hawaiian islands so your claim that Hawaiians are restricted as to how many miles they can travel is just ludicrous.

 

[zappasguitar]

You keep repeating it, but it still doesn't prove that their longevity is related to health care. It just doesn't! You can keep repeating it, and it still won't mean what you wish for it to mean. You can try to argue that I am making claims I haven't made, or saying things I haven't said, and it still won't make it mean what you want it to mean.

Hawaiians also live in freaking paradise, with relatively low crime rates and depression, and limited travel, due to being an island. Those all factor into why people tend to live longer there, but you wish to ignore all other factors, and insist that it's because a few more percent of the people are insured, when even by your own admission, they use the health care system less because they don't get sick as often.

If you are going to claim Hawaii enjoys a lower than usual crime rate they you've got to provide some figures to back that up.

It's unbelievable that you will post a laundry list of "reasons" Hawaiians live longer and provide virtually NO evidence supporting your claim, but you absolutely refuse to entertain the possibility that Hawaiians live longer because they have access to better, more affordable health insurance than most.

 

[apple0154]

Like I said, if you want to ignorantly assume that people live longer simply because they have better health care, that's your business, but you are wrong. One could most certainly argue that an isolated country in frigid Scandinavia, is far less likely to see outbreaks of deadly viruses... fewer foreigners migrating there to introduce new strains of viruses... less food additives and preservatives... less travel, resulting in fewer travel accidents, significantly increasing life expectancy... a simpler lifestyle, less stress, causing less deaths... diets consisting of more fish and less red meat... low crime rates resulting in fewer violent deaths... all of these things can (and are) factors in the mortality rates of other countries.

Look at the life expectancy by state... Hawaiians have the longest life expectancy, but Hawaii doesn't have more hospitals and doctors or better health care than other states. The lowest life expectancy is Washington DC, and there are more government-run hospitals there, per capita, than anywhere else in the country. Why do Hawaiians live longer? A lot of factors, like I mentioned before. Of all the different groups of people in America, Eskimos have the longest life expectancy, not because of having better health care or more access to health care, but because of their culture. Poor black people tend to live shorter lives, but they have access to all federal government resources regarding health care. There is just nothing to show that government-run health care is what causes people to live longer lives. Whether you keep telling yourself this because you are just too ignorant to comprehend the facts, or you have a political agenda, doesn't really matter... you are still flat out WRONG!

Nice try. Do your government run hospitals practice preventive medicine such as offer free check-ups to people? While the logic may escape you medical problems diagnosed early result in better rates of recovery and few people will pay for a doctor's visit if they do not feel ill.

 

[apple0154]

I did not make that argument, idiot! Apple wants to claim that better health care (i.e; more hospitals) equates to longevity, and I REFUTED that! How about learning how to fucking READ you ignorant hick?

My goodness, you're a dope. I never said anything about the number of hospitals.

 

[apple0154]

Well, as a matter of fact, because Hawaii is an ISLAND, and people are restricted as to how many miles they can travel, there are far fewer highway fatalities, which contributes to longer lives on average. Can you refute that fact, or not?

But what about the German Autobahn? No speed limit. I suppose they're just better drivers and don't have accidents. Is that right, Dix?

 

[apple0154]

But see; you've "debunked" none of what has been presented, but you have just dismissed it.
When you have been presented with facts, all you do is to start up your circular logic train and then you just ride it round and round and round.

What is there to debunk? Eskimos eating fish?

 

[apple0154]

You keep repeating it, but it still doesn't prove that their longevity is related to health care. It just doesn't! You can keep repeating it, and it still won't mean what you wish for it to mean. You can try to argue that I am making claims I haven't made, or saying things I haven't said, and it still won't make it mean what you want it to mean.

Hawaiians also live in freaking paradise, with relatively low crime rates and depression, and limited travel, due to being an island. Those all factor into why people tend to live longer there, but you wish to ignore all other factors, and insist that it's because a few more percent of the people are insured, when even by your own admission, they use the health care system less because they don't get sick as often.

Do you know what "preventive medicine" means? Those who have medical insurance are more likely to visit a doctor at the first sign of an illness rather than wait until it progresses. Surely even you can understand that.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

So the early diagnoses and preventive measures that occur when people have access to affordable healthcare don't affect the overall health of a population, doublewide?

No, I didn't say it didn't effect it, that's what you want me to be saying, so you can argue the point. All I said was, it's not the ONLY factor, and that is a true statement, which you have not, and can not refute. There are a number of factors totally unrelated to health care, which contribute to longevity. My great aunt lived to be 104, and never visited a doctor or hospital in her entire life.

There are great variations in life expectancy between different parts of the world, mostly caused by differences in public health, medical care and diet...

No, longevity is caused by any number of variables, it is not exclusively dependent on health care availability. Sorry!

Asian-Americans live the longest of all ethnic groups in the United States, with a life expectancy of 87 years, almost ten years longer than Euro-Americans.

Correct, and there are not exclusive health care systems for Asian people, which other people don't have access to. This in itself, proves my point. Thanks again!

These variations among ethnic groups may be ascribed to differing economic circumstances of the groups, and in the United States, notably differing access to health care.

AGAIN.... ASIAN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR OWN EXCLUSIVE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN AMERICA!

It may also be ascribed to different cultural patterns of eating or diet that may cross international lines and explain the variation within ethnic groups in a multiethnic society such as the United States.

Exactly! Which is exactly what I have been arguing! There are all kinds of things that factor into why people live longer! You can NOT say that it's simply because certain people have better or more available health care! You have presented plenty of evidence to suggest I am right and Apple is wrong, yet you want to insist that I am wrong and Apple is right! Are you stuck on stupid here, or what?