60% of Americans did not go to college.

cawacko said:
I 100% agree with you here. Going to an Ivy, or MIT or Stanford is obviously very sexy and carries a certain cache but like you said certain schools have particular fields of study where they may be the best.
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I almost forgot...and if she wants to be a Porn Star then she should probably got to UCLA. ;-)
 
cawacko said:
I 100% agree with you here. Going to an Ivy, or MIT or Stanford is obviously very sexy and carries a certain cache but like you said certain schools have particular fields of study where they may be the best.
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I worked with a Harvard grad. I asked him if there was anything that made them special, was the school tougher. He said, yeah, tougher to get into. After that, like any other college. It is a prestigious educational institution that is peopled by the "elite". That is as long as the rest of us continue to believe it. But at work, they are like you, but they will get promoted a lot easier.
 
Cypress said:
Probably about the same percentage as come from the west coast.

Most 18 year olds do not want to go to school two thousand miles from home.

A lot of high school kids aspire to go to elite private universities in their geographic region, aka Stanford, Rice, Duke, etc.
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The South has less college degrees, it seems unlikely they'd have equal representation in Ivy League Colleges.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I have no idea but I suspect they are fairly represented but to expand upon your question of are many of our best scientist and engineers are foreign then the answer is no going purely by numbers.

80% of the graduate degrees awarded in the US go to Life Science and Health Care professionals which are dominated by US students. In engineering the numbers are somewhat skewed.

In theoretical engineering it is true that many of the best are foreign. However in applied engineering it is dominated by US Engineers as many top US engineers by pass graduate school to become Registered Professional Engineers. Becoming a Registered P.E. is as difficult as earning a Doctorate or PhD. It takes 3-4 years apprenticeship and to be licensed you need to pass a two day comprehensive examination that requires mastery of most fields of engineering from mechanical, civil, electrical, environmental, engineering economics, etc,. It's every bit as difficult as passing the Bar exam or the National Medical Boards Diplomat. It also pays, in general, substantially more than being a research engineer or academic engineer.

I remember when I was a research associate at the Ohio State University graduate graduate school of materials science and engineering (which is a weird story as I am not an engineer and my graduate education is in human biology) the department was dominated by Asian foreign students and a I disabused them of the notion that they were better than American engineering students when I explained that while they were in grad school earning their PhD most of their US counterparts were working on obtaining their P.E. License and that those folks would earn substantially more with a P.E. license than they would with a PhD. That was an eye opener to many of them.
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Our best & brightest typically don't have deep roots in America.
 
cawacko said:
Not that this board is real life but you see it here, people sh*tting on others because they didn't go to college.
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I started the thread so I will respond. No one, including myself, said you're a lesser person because you did not go to college.

But what our criminal president Trump did was to make having knowledge seem effeminate. (A trait of fascism.)

I was pointing out that Trump was never being ironic in saying he loves the uneducated. It was deliberate.
 
BidenPresident said:
I started the thread so I will respond. No one, including myself, said you're a lesser person because you did not go to college.

But what our criminal president Trump did was to make having knowledge seem effeminate. (A trait of fascism.)

I was pointing out that Trump was never being ironic in saying he loves the uneducated. It was deliberate.
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Nazis were horrible, but were they really very anti intellectual!?

They had the best tech of that era.
 
Nordberg said:
I worked with a Harvard grad. I asked him if there was anything that made them special, was the school tougher. He said, yeah, tougher to get into. After that, like any other college. It is a prestigious educational institution that is peopled by the "elite". That is as long as the rest of us continue to believe it. But at work, they are like you, but they will get promoted a lot easier.
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Once you get in the real world you have to be able to perform. Your college pedigree only takes you so far. But the big appeal of schools such as the Ivy's is that you are in class with 1) people who come from wealthy families and 2) many of your classmates are future leaders so it provides an incredible network and connections. And especially when you are young it opens many doors for you.
 
BidenPresident said:
Yes they were. Technology is not being intellectual. Mussolini was anti-intellectual.
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Nazis put the first rockets into space, invented Volkswagen, had the first turbo jets, Ballistic missles, even invented the Stealth bomber prototype, they had the Sturmguwehr a AK47 precussor, they had even maybe the first radar & microwaves & nuclear bomb project.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
Nazis put the first rockets into space, invented Volkswagen, had the first turbo jets, Ballistic missles, even invented the Stealth bomber prototype, they had the Sturmguwehr a AK47 precussor, they had even maybe the first radar & microwaves & nuclear bomb project.
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You failed to respond to my post. As usual.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
Our best & brightest typically don't have deep roots in America.
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That's debatable though I would certainly agree we need to do a better job to prepare students for STEM fields.

It's interesting how high school is far more demanding in most of Asia then in the US but that their Universities are, in general, not nearly as vigerous academically as in the US. In Asia it's all about getting into the most prestigious schools and that is extremely difficult to do but once you do get in its a cake walk.

My Misses busted her ass off in high school to get into UP Manila. Long days at school, studying till late at night, no partying, prep classes for entrance exams, the incredible stress and pressure of preparing and taking the entrance examination and when she got accepted she partied for four years, studied intermittently and graduated with honors.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's debatable though I would certainly agree we need to do a better job to prepare students for STEM fields.

It's interesting how high school is far more demanding in most of Asia then in the US but that their Universities are, in general, not nearly as vigerous academically as in the US. In Asia it's all about getting into the most prestigious schools and that is extremely difficult to do but once you do get in its a cake walk.

My Misses busted her ass off in high school to get into UP Manila. Long days at school, studying till late at night, no partying, prep classes for entrance exams, the incredible stress and pressure of preparing and taking the entrance examination and when she got accepted she partied for four years, studied intermittently and graduated with honors.
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It's not very debatable.

Probably 40% to 50% of our Ivy League students are Asians or Jews.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
It's not very debatable.

Probably 40% to 50% of our Ivy League students are Asians or Jews.
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Well that's because they proactively accept 50% of their student body as racial and ethnic minorities and reject 95% of qualified applicants. Regardless of your race or ethnicity and even your academic performance the odds of getting accepted are not good and only about 15% of the Ivy league student population are foreign students and, again, that is be design.

The US is just different than a lot of other countries on education in that many foreign nations put a lot of stress and emphasis on academic rigor at the High School level where in the US we believe that is to much pressure to place on Children and we emphasize that at the college level.

Just talk to any foreign Asian who's a college graduate. They will tell you that high school was far harder and more stressful than college was.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well that's because they proactively accept 50% of their student body as racial and ethnic minorities and reject 95% of qualified applicants. Regardless of your race or ethnicity and even your academic performance the odds of getting accepted are not good and only about 15% of the Ivy league student population are foreign students and, again, that is be design.

The US is just different than a lot of other countries on education in that many foreign nations put a lot of stress and emphasis on academic rigor at the High School level where in the US we believe that is to much pressure to place on Children and we emphasize that at the college level.

Just talk to any foreign Asian who's a college graduate. They will tell you that high school was far harder and more stressful than college was.
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Are you making the case for American colleges being anti American!?
 
Jan Sobieski said:
The South has less college degrees, it seems unlikely they'd have equal representation in Ivy League Colleges.
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But that is not the reason Harvard might have a low percentage of southern students

Few 18 year olds want to go to college two thousand miles away from home. In the south, they are more likely to aspire to attend an elite southern private university, Rice, Emory, Duke, et al.

I know hundreds of people from California and Oregon who went to college or grad school, and I can count on two hands the number who moved more than 500 miles to attend school. I suspect the percentage of California students at Yale is pretty bloody low.
 
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