52,000

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You keep saying that. It's pretty weird.

How do you think they'd conceal "combat"?

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name

7 Advise and Assist Brigades, made up of troops from BCTs, still in Iraq

As the final convoy of the Army’s 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, based at Fort Lewis, Wash., entered Kuwait early Thursday, a different Stryker brigade remained in Iraq.

Soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division are deployed in Iraq as members of an Advise and Assist Brigade, the Army’s designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/08/dn-brigades-stay-under-different-name-081910/

Its just a little Obama razzle dazzle....in plain English, an Obama Admin. lie so the pinheads can claim the war is over and he kept his promise....\


Yesterday, they were combat troops, and today, hocus pocus, they're nannies.....

 

[Onceler]

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name

7 Advise and Assist Brigades, made up of troops from BCTs, still in Iraq

As the final convoy of the Army’s 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, based at Fort Lewis, Wash., entered Kuwait early Thursday, a different Stryker brigade remained in Iraq.

Soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division are deployed in Iraq as members of an Advise and Assist Brigade, the Army’s designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/08/dn-brigades-stay-under-different-name-081910/

Its just a little Obama razzle dazzle....in plain English, an Obama Admin. lie so the pinheads can claim the war is over and he kept his promise....\


Yesterday, they were combat troops, and today, hocus pocus, they're nannies.....

Again - in how many instances in American history have we NOT left residual troops in a non-combat role?

What's the point w/ you guys? Do you really think there is a "secret" plan to continue combat, but with a fraction of the troop presence?

The stuff you all make hay out of - WEAK, to say the least.

 

[Onceler]

Are we still at war with Germany? After all...there are "combat troops" there?

 

[Minister of Truth]

Are we still at war with Germany? After all...there are "combat troops" there?

We should be.

 

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Are we still at war with Germany? After all...there are "combat troops" there?

this is stupid...we haven't been are war with iraw since the fall of saddam

 

[NOVA]

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name

7 Advise and Assist Brigades, made up of troops from BCTs, still in Iraq

As the final convoy of the Army’s 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, based at Fort Lewis, Wash., entered Kuwait early Thursday, a different Stryker brigade remained in Iraq.

Soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division are deployed in Iraq as members of an Advise and Assist Brigade, the Army’s designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/08/dn-brigades-stay-under-different-name-081910/

Its just a little Obama razzle dazzle....in plain English, an Obama Admin. lie so the pinheads can claim the war is over and he kept his promise....\


Yesterday, they were combat troops, and today, hocus pocus, they're nannies.....

Actually, Obama kept Bush's agreement to pull out troops by December 31, 2011...an agreement made November 16th, 2008, between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq...(with room to spare)

 

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this is stupid...we haven't been are war with iraw since the fall of saddam

Major fighting in Iraq was over about 21 days after the invasion....but hey....let 'em have their 10 minutes of glory.....who cares....

 

[Onceler]

this is stupid...we haven't been are war with iraw since the fall of saddam

Biggest hair-splitter on the board; no one else comes close.

I'd love to hear you argue to the troops that are coming home & the troops that have come home that they weren't really in a war.

As for you, bravo - do you want me to dig up a few hundred CNN headlines over the past 7 years calling it "the Iraq War"? You seem to value their opinion lately....

 

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Biggest hair-splitter on the board; no one else comes close.

I'd love to hear you argue to the troops that are coming home & the troops that have come home that they weren't really in a war.

As for you, bravo - do you want me to dig up a few hundred CNN headlines over the past 7 years calling it "the Iraq War"? You seem to value their opinion lately....

i know, you hate the truth, so its hair splitting....you also dishonestly portrayed my words...i never said they weren't in a war, i said the war was not with iraq....

i know, you're always right onceler....it must be someone else splitting hairs...cause you never wrong

 

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Biggest hair-splitter on the board; no one else comes close.

I'd love to hear you argue to the troops that are coming home & the troops that have come home that they weren't really in a war.

As for you, bravo - do you want me to dig up a few hundred CNN headlines over the past 7 years calling it "the Iraq War"? You seem to value their opinion lately....

Maybe you ought to have some 6year old read my post you...see if they can find the words "The Iraq War"....like you seem to have found....pinhead.

 

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The first U.S. soldier in Iraq has been killed since the withdrawal of the last “combat” brigade from the country on August 18, The soldier was reportedly killed in a mortar attack on a U.S. air base in Basra.

Well what'd ya think Onecell....maybe Obama didn't give this poor soldier the word yet.....the "war is over"......guess you'd say this guy wasn't killed in the war now that you lefties have declared it over.....

 

[NOVA]

That right ?

 

[Onceler]

I see TweedleDee and his half-wit bro are still beating the dead horse.

Guys, I'll make this simple. We were at war for 7+ years in Iraq - with people firing guns, dodging bullets & dodging bombs. On that level, it really ain't the different from Germany in the '40's.

The salient point - the one I was trying to make before TweedleDee & the bro started doing their hairsplitting, tapdancing pretzel routine - is that combat ops stop, and we leave "non combat" residual forces, whether it's Germany or Iraq. You have both made some hay (or tried to make, as it were) about Obama "tricking" his liberal hack followers by saying combat ops are over. The implication was fairly clear: this war is still being fought.

Now, when you're both called on that & asked to 'fess up, you do the old cat who ate the canary....war? What war? There was no stinkin' war here!

Good god....what a waste of time you hacks are. Braindead, to the core.

 

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Onecell:

Guys, I'll make this simple. We were at war for 7+ years in Iraq - with people firing guns, dodging bullets & dodging bombs.

and my point is now that the "war" is declared over....you'll naturally tell us the soldier killed in a mortar attack on on August 18, wasn't killed in the war....
you ..as the pinhead in-chief was we "were" at war....past tense.

I fully agree....its certainly been a waste of time

 

[Onceler]

Onecell:
and my point is now that the "war" is declared over....you'll naturally tell us the soldier killed in a mortar attack on on August 18, wasn't killed in the war....
you ..as the pinhead in-chief was we "were" at war....past tense.

I fully agree....its certainly been a waste of time

Sorry; you're the one who wants it every which way. Bush ended the war in 21 days; but, of course, Obama is lying when he says the war ended.

 

[Good Luck]

I see TweedleDee and his half-wit bro are still beating the dead horse.

Guys, I'll make this simple. We were at war for 7+ years in Iraq - with people firing guns, dodging bullets & dodging bombs. On that level, it really ain't the different from Germany in the '40's.

The salient point - the one I was trying to make before TweedleDee & the bro started doing their hairsplitting, tapdancing pretzel routine - is that combat ops stop, and we leave "non combat" residual forces, whether it's Germany or Iraq. You have both made some hay (or tried to make, as it were) about Obama "tricking" his liberal hack followers by saying combat ops are over. The implication was fairly clear: this war is still being fought.

Now, when you're both called on that & asked to 'fess up, you do the old cat who ate the canary....war? What war? There was no stinkin' war here!

Good god....what a waste of time you hacks are. Braindead, to the core.

Yes, we understand what is CLAIMED. Forgive us if we don't TRUST what is claimed.

First - comparing current Iraq to post WWII Germany is assinine to the eleventh power. The troops left in place could be accurately called non-combat because Germany officially surrendered. Their troop laid down their arms, and their populace did nothing in the way of underground activities. The war (conflict, what ever the hell you want to call it) was OVER! Tell me, WHO SURRENDERED THIS TIME?!? Adding our continued presence, which was stimulated by the Cold War, and done so under treaty with Germany and NATO, is such pure unadulterated bullshit as to be beyond comprehension. Our bases in Germany are part of a mutual protection treaty, NOT an occupation of an unfriendly country.

Second, when the forces remaining in place include high-mobile combat units renamed "advisers" are way too reminiscent of how we handled the Vietnam War to make me just take Bammy at his word.

The official designation of U.S. troops in Vietnam was "military advisers" through the entire conflict, right up to and including our withdrawal. I was there for 3 tours of duty. Care to guess how many operations I was involved with that actually included anyone to "advise"? The fact is we conducted combat operations no matter what the damned politicians, bureaucrats and diplomats chose to call them. The term "military advisers" has always been diplomatese for combatants whose real mission cannot be officially acknowledged for political reasons. Why should we believe it to be different this time? Because it's OBAMA speaking? (hollow laugh) Just because I can't stand the little prick doesn't mean that's why I disbelieve him. I disbelieve him because the current situation is (or damned well SHOULD be) ALWAYS suspect.

Third: You want to compare post WWII Germany to the current situation, try this one on for size: the American Constabulary (troops left in place in Germany in active service roles) was 35,000. That was after a full blown major world wide conflict. But we need 52,000 who are better armed than a WWII duck foot could ever dream of, for Iraq? Gimme a break. While I have no proof until time and events prove me right, there is no doubt in my mind that the same types of patrols, the same types of missions will continue in Iraq as took place before we "stopped combat operations", just under a different name to please the mindless drones.

 

[Cypress]

why do we need 52,000 'non-combat' troops in iraq?

is not that a bit much for just training?

also, (i know this has been questioned before but i thought that i would add these for this thread) why do we need troops and material in germany and okinowa

then there is our large navy

if we are the worlds policemen, then why have we mostly ignored conflicts that are killing 100,000s of civilians in africa

I'm positive his campaign pledge explicitly was to remove american troops from day to day combat roles, but to leave substantial numbers of troops there on bases in some sort of support role. Is this supposed to be a shock?

I'm more outraged that it took 19 months, or whatever, to remove them instead of the 16 months he promised.

Clearly, The Barack Hussein Obama lied.

 

[Onceler]

Yes, we understand what is CLAIMED. Forgive us if we don't TRUST what is claimed.

First - comparing current Iraq to post WWII Germany is assinine to the eleventh power. The troops left in place could be accurately called non-combat because Germany officially surrendered. Their troop laid down their arms, and their populace did nothing in the way of underground activities. The war (conflict, what ever the hell you want to call it) was OVER! Tell me, WHO SURRENDERED THIS TIME?!? Adding our continued presence, which was stimulated by the Cold War, and done so under treaty with Germany and NATO, is such pure unadulterated bullshit as to be beyond comprehension. Our bases in Germany are part of a mutual protection treaty, NOT an occupation of an unfriendly country.

Second, when the forces remaining in place include high-mobile combat units renamed "advisers" are way too reminiscent of how we handled the Vietnam War to make me just take Bammy at his word.

The official designation of U.S. troops in Vietnam was "military advisers" through the entire conflict, right up to and including our withdrawal. I was there for 3 tours of duty. Care to guess how many operations I was involved with that actually included anyone to "advise"? The fact is we conducted combat operations no matter what the damned politicians, bureaucrats and diplomats chose to call them. The term "military advisers" has always been diplomatese for combatants whose real mission cannot be officially acknowledged for political reasons. Why should we believe it to be different this time? Because it's OBAMA speaking? (hollow laugh) Just because I can't stand the little prick doesn't mean that's why I disbelieve him. I disbelieve him because the current situation is (or damned well SHOULD be) ALWAYS suspect.

Third: You want to compare post WWII Germany to the current situation, try this one on for size: the American Constabulary (troops left in place in Germany in active service roles) was 35,000. That was after a full blown major world wide conflict. But we need 52,000 who are better armed than a WWII duck foot could ever dream of, for Iraq? Gimme a break. While I have no proof until time and events prove me right, there is no doubt in my mind that the same types of patrols, the same types of missions will continue in Iraq as took place before we "stopped combat operations", just under a different name to please the mindless drones.

First, many thanks for your service. 3 tours is hard for me to imagine.

Second, as our good friend bravo pointed out, Iraq surrendered after 21 days.

Third, this situation isn't comparable to Vietnam, imo. Vietnam was always shrouded in mystery, from the start of the conflict, to many of the operations that were conducted, to the way the administration tried to sell the war to the public. The admin had an agenda in Vietnam, that was often in conflict with public relations.

Where is the hidden agenda with Iraq? For what reason would Obama want to "trick" the public that combat ops were ending, but carry on a clandestine war behind our backs (which I don't even think is possible in the media age)?

I need a little more than "oh, c'mon" to accept an allegation that a CIC whose focus is 100% economy has some sort of hidden Iraq agenda that he needs to hide from the public to try to boost his poll #'s. It doesn't really add up.

 

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First, many thanks for your service. 3 tours is hard for me to imagine.

Second, as our good friend bravo pointed out, Iraq surrendered after 21 days.

Third, this situation isn't comparable to Vietnam, imo. Vietnam was always shrouded in mystery, from the start of the conflict, to many of the operations that were conducted, to the way the administration tried to sell the war to the public. The admin had an agenda in Vietnam, that was often in conflict with public relations.

Where is the hidden agenda with Iraq? For what reason would Obama want to "trick" the public that combat ops were ending, but carry on a clandestine war behind our backs (which I don't even think is possible in the media age)?

I need a little more than "oh, c'mon" to accept an allegation that a CIC whose focus is 100% economy has some sort of hidden Iraq agenda that he needs to hide from the public to try to boost his poll #'s. It doesn't really add up.

give me a break....you can't think of any reason....

how about his "promise"...how about the political love fest he is getting from dems over this, how about being able to proclaim how quickly he ended combat operations...

good luck is exactly right and teh article i posted in the thread backs that up...YOU just can't accept reality

 

[Onceler]

give me a break....you can't think of any reason....

how about his "promise"...how about the political love fest he is getting from dems over this, how about being able to proclaim how quickly he ended combat operations...

good luck is exactly right and teh article i posted in the thread backs that up...YOU just can't accept reality

Good Luck also indicated that he has no proof until events prove him right. You're pretty quick to make a broad accusation of a clandestine war, during the media age, that somehow Obama needs to wage.

That is now "reality" to you. It's amazing the lengths you can go to in order to convince yourself of something.

But no - we're all delusional, and "hacks"....