48% to 41%

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I agree with you, it wont make much differece, the representatives voted, for the most part, with their constituancy. It mighe make a difference with fundrasing, but on both sides.

With their constituency, and with the NRA money that flows like water into their coffers.

 

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WHat I think is that the people who voted against this bill are going to pay. Of course SUperfreak, in Mississippi they aren't going to pay. No one needs you to point that out. Those people are too stupid to read first of all.

But a lot of congressional seats, and a good number of senate seats are going to be impacted by this vote. That vote wasn't the end, it was the beginning.

That is certainly your opinion, the point of what I posted is to show that there isn't some great swell against those who voted against the gun bill. Those that voted against it in the NE certainly stand to see more animosity as a result. But on the whole, it is not nearly as dire as people like you paint it.

When the Independents come out more relieved than angry at its failure to pass, that is a good sign that it will not be that big of an issue come 2014. We have already seen a greatly diminished support for gun laws. Which is why the Dems tried to use Sandy Hook to further their agenda. They knew the public would fade on the issue.

 

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1) There are more registered Democrats than Republicans.
2) The wording of that poll is designed to skew the result.
3) As Ive pointed out three times today, might does not mean right!

1) So?
2) How does the wording skew the results... explain your comment if you would
3) Hilarious... because all we keep hearing from the left is the chant of '90% support this thus it should be so'. Also, what part of what I said indicated 'might meant right'???

 

[Jarod]

1) So?
2) How does the wording skew the results... explain your comment if you would
3) Hilarious... because all we keep hearing from the left is the chant of '90% support this thus it should be so'. Also, what part of what I said indicated 'might meant right'???

1) Your post broke it down into three catagories that make it look more evenly devided.
2) Calling it "The Gun Bill" is ambigous, if they had asked if how people felt about the defeat of "expanded background checks" you would have gotten a very different result.
3) You dont hear that from me, but it might be that 90% support "this" depending on what you mean by "this", see #2. Your entire post was anti-gun bill, and argueing against it because it was not as popular as some say.

 

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With their constituency, and with the NRA money that flows like water into their coffers.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082

Top recipient in 2012... $12,400

They spend their money advertising against those that oppose the 2nd or wish to restrict it via legislation. Even then, they do not spend what you think they do.

But here is a list of the PACs that give the most... according to opensecrets anyway...

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Out of the top 20, only one favors Reps, five go both ways, 14 favor Dems

NRA comes in at number 50

 

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1) Your post broke it down into two catagories that make it look more evenly devided.
2) Calling it "The Gun Bill" is ambigous, if they had asked if how people felt about the defeat of "expanded background checks" you would have gotten a very different result.
3) You dont hear that from me, but it might be that 90% support "this" depending on what you mean by "this", see #2. Your entire post was anti-gun bill, and argueing against it because it was not as popular as some say.

1) No, I copied the data over from the link. I did not break it down any differently... which doesn't change the question... So?
2) You are guessing about the result changes. Take a look at the results that show people who actually followed the issue (ie... they knew what the gun bill was about). The results are more favorable to the defeat of the bill. Add in the fact that if you actually explained to everyone what that 'expanded background check' really was... that too would change the results. Because we both know some of the bill was already law. Like Internet sales.
3) I didn't say we heard if from you. I said we keep hearing if from the left (on this board in particular). As for the rest of your number 3, you went retard again.

 

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The NRA spends most of its money via independent expenditures.

 

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http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082

Top recipient in 2012... $12,400

They spend their money advertising against those that oppose the 2nd or wish to restrict it via legislation. Even then, they do not spend what you think they do.

But here is a list of the PACs that give the most... according to opensecrets anyway...

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Out of the top 20, only one favors Reps, five go both ways, 14 favor Dems

NRA comes in at number 50

Apologies; my comment was an oversimplification. With their scoring system and the millions they can mobilize to flood Congressional offices with letters & calls, among other tactics, they are easily one of the most influential groups on Capitol Hill. They own Washington as much as pharma or oil does.

But, you don't really care w/ them, because you'd marry them if you could.

 

[Howey]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...about-the-failure-of-the-gun-bill-in-numbers/

Independents split 48% happy/relieved the gun bill didn't pass vs. 41% angry/disappointed that it didn't pass. The two parties split more skewed....

Reps were 51% happy/relieved 34% angry/disappointed

Dems were 67% angry/disappointed vs. 22% happy/relieved

So for those touting the 90% poll taken right after Sandy Hook... The above is rationale for the way the vote went. Even Dems didn't get 90% of their own party.

That 90% favored expanded background checks. And still do. That congress didn't listen to them will come back and bite them in the ass.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/kelly-ayottes-approval_n_3147834.html

Still smarting from that skewering huh Superfreak?

Go ahead you can sneak out of here limping before anyone notices...

Ayotte's not the first. More and more tracking polls are showing dem's inching up and up, now leading most republicans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/mark-sanford-debate_n_3147360.html

Superfreak you should take a tip from Mark Sanford, a man who understands his limitations. That's the only way you could win a debate with me too!

I think I beat you so much you are starting to enjoy it!

Case in point. Mark Sanford, in one of the reddest counties in one of the reddest states in the union, losing by 9pts to the sister of a comedian. lol!

And, really SF, like Darla said, after we beat you down like a red headed stepchild in that other thread, don't you think you should crawl back in your corner and quit crying for your mommy?

 

[Jarod]

1) No, I copied the data over from the link. I did not break it down any differently... which doesn't change the question... So?
2) You are guessing about the result changes. Take a look at the results that show people who actually followed the issue (ie... they knew what the gun bill was about). The results are more favorable to the defeat of the bill. Add in the fact that if you actually explained to everyone what that 'expanded background check' really was... that too would change the results. Because we both know some of the bill was already law. Like Internet sales.
3) I didn't say we heard if from you. I said we keep hearing if from the left (on this board in particular). As for the rest of your number 3, you went retard again.

1) Just because you copied from your link, does not change what you posted.
2) True its a guess, but an educated one and one that is correct.
3) I am part of the Left on this board.

 

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The NRA spends most of its money via independent expenditures.

thanks genius... that too was on the link I posted... glad you have learned to read.

 

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thanks genius... that too was on the link I posted... glad you have learned to read.

It really is a mystery how such a pleasant fellow like yourself has remained single all these years. You'd figure some lucky gal would have scooped you up by now.

 

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1) Just because you copied from your link, does not change what you posted.
2) True its a guess, but an educated one and one that is correct.
3) I am part of the Left on this board.

1) True, but you said I broke it down to suggest it was something other than it was. I did not.
2) No, the data from the poll suggests you are wrong. You are not making an educated guess, you are stating what you would like the outcome to be and pretending that it is based on something of merit. It is not. You simply pulled your desire out of your ass. Again, the data suggests that those that follow the issue are more against the bill than for it.
3) Yes Jarud, you are a part of it, but you are not all of it. When someone says the left, they do not mean every single person who is left. But thanks again for going full retard.

 

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That 90% favored expanded background checks. And still do. That congress didn't listen to them will come back and bite them in the ass.

Show us a recent poll.

Ayotte's not the first. More and more tracking polls are showing dem's inching up and up, now leading most republicans.

Link us up.

Case in point. Mark Sanford, in one of the reddest counties in one of the reddest states in the union, losing by 9pts to the sister of a comedian. lol!

The fact that she is the sister of a comedian... just curious... why include that? It seems rather irrelevant.

Second, is Sanford down because of the gun bill or is there something else that is dragging him down?

And, really SF, like Darla said, after we beat you down like a red headed stepchild in that other thread, don't you think you should crawl back in your corner and quit crying for your mommy?

Yes, in your fantasy world, you clowns win all the debates. Here in reality, we see what really transpired.

 

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It really is a mystery how such a pleasant fellow like yourself has remained single all these years. You'd figure some lucky gal would have scooped you up by now.

LOL... valid...

 

[Howey]

Show us a recent poll.


Link us up.

Remember...I never post anything on here I don't already know the answer to.

According to a Quinnipiac poll released today, if the election were held today 43 percent of the electorate would support a Democratic U.S. House candidate, as opposed to just 35 percent who would back a Republican. That 8 point lead for Democrats is significantly more than the GOP’s margin of victory during the 2010 Republican wave election (6.6 percent) and even more that the Democratic margin of victory during the 2006 wave (7.9 percent) — when Democrats were bolstered by both an unpopular Republican president and a failing war in Iraq. And yet, if Democrats succeed in maintaining this substantial lead through next year’s congressional election, they will likely emerge with a tiny majority of just 5 seats.

 

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Remember...I never post anything on here I don't already know the answer to.

yeah, except you just posted a random generic poll. Which is essentially meaningless to this discussion. Show us the polls that show 90% still support the gun bill. Or polls that show a politician is losing as a result of their vote. You said they were leading 'most' Republicans.. where? In Democratic districts?

 

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These kinds of polls don't really tell me much. If they were relieved, what were they relieved about? What were the others angry about?

If you asked all of the respondents in the poll that question, and also for details of what they thought the bill entailed, you'd probably get wildly different answers. I doubt more than a few understood what was really being voted on.

Polls only reflect what the pollsters want them to.

 

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2) Calling it "The Gun Bill" is ambigous, if they had asked if how people felt about the defeat of "expanded background checks" you would have gotten a very different result.

And you don't think 'expanded background checks' is any less ambiguous?

 

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And you don't think 'expanded background checks' is any less ambiguous?

Jarud doesn't think... period. I think somehow the force just moves him from place to place to help... pitying the poor fool.