40 years ago today - Kent State Massacre

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Mott the Hoople said:
I think, having been around at that time and knowing people who actually witnessed the events first hand I think a balanced look is only fair.

Nixon was a slime bag. People talk about how bad W was and he was an incompetent mouth breather but he wasn't a fraction of the slime bag lying asshole that Nixon was.

I don't blame the students for being mad. The you men of our country was being asked to fight and die for a war that they were whole sale being lied to about and not just little fibs either. Whoping gran faloon lies.

But the kids at Kent State went way to far. The night before the shooting they rioted causing considerable property damange and concern. Things got completely out of hand and it was an appropriate response by the Governor to send in the National Guard.

What occurred next was a tragedy of errors. The Governor, or who ever made the decision on who to send, sent far to few guardsmen to control the situation. The situation then got out of hand, the crowd was treatening and some of guard members panicked. Tragedy ensued.

If anyone, ultimately, deserves the blame for Kent State it is Richard Millhouse Nixon. But the blame is shared. Many of the students behavied inapprorpiately and violently and created the conditions for the tragedy to occur. The State NG sent in to few troops who were poorly trained for the situation and poorly lead and behaved like bumbling amatures.
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Bullshit.

I was there. Don't care if you believe me or not. Had been there for 2 years. One of my favorite places. Walked to the crown of the hill 5 minutes after the murders and saw the bodies and wounded in an arc a few hundred yrds long. I realized I had just witnessed American military kill Americans and began to understand what the rightwing will do to get their way.
If you right wing wackos think it cant happen again or that it's really cool to see the military kill innocent people then you are sicker than I though. You need help.
 
Crashk said:
Bullshit.

I was there. Don't care if you believe me or not. Had been there for 2 years. One of my favorite places. Walked to the crown of the hill 5 minutes after the murders and saw the bodies and wounded in an arc a few hundred yrds long. I realized I had just witnessed American military kill Americans and began to understand what the rightwing will do to get their way.
If you right wing wackos think it cant happen again or that it's really cool to see the military kill innocent people then you are sicker than I though. You need help.
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Then you're saying that what Mott said, had no merit??
 
Crashk said:
Bullshit.

I was there. Don't care if you believe me or not. Had been there for 2 years. One of my favorite places. Walked to the crown of the hill 5 minutes after the murders and saw the bodies and wounded in an arc a few hundred yrds long. I realized I had just witnessed American military kill Americans and began to understand what the rightwing will do to get their way.
If you right wing wackos think it cant happen again or that it's really cool to see the military kill innocent people then you are sicker than I though. You need help.
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I don't need to see it. As a guardsman, I can do it!
 
Southern Man said:
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Crashk said:
Bullshit.

I was there. Don't care if you believe me or not. Had been there for 2 years. One of my favorite places. Walked to the crown of the hill 5 minutes after the murders and saw the bodies and wounded in an arc a few hundred yrds long. I realized I had just witnessed American military kill Americans and began to understand what the rightwing will do to get their way.
If you right wing wackos think it cant happen again or that it's really cool to see the military kill innocent people then you are sicker than I though. You need help.
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In 40 years, I have not heard a single American EVER express the sentiment that it was "okay" ..."cool" ...or in any way "acceptable" for the military to have killed 4 people at Kent. It certainly CAN happen again, it happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco under Bill Clinton, innocent citizens were gunned down in cold blood. It's always a tragedy when it happens, and there is always the expression of remorse that it didn't have to happen.

That said, the Kent State tragedy had absolutely NOTHING to do with the "right wing getting their way!" Any more than Ruby Ridge or Waco had to do with liberal democrats getting their way! It's just a stupid and idiotic statement, made by a clown....that's you!
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then you're saying that what Mott said, had no merit??
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What I'm saying is that you can blame whoever you want. But the murders were bloodlust. The Guard was in no danger, especially from people 200 yds away. Did they have orders to fire? I don't know, all I know is they went up the hill and turned, nobody followed them. Nobody was throwing rocks or attacking them in any way. Not many were even close. They turned aimed and fired. What ever happened in the days before that Monday did not warrant a murder sentence on innocent students.
 
Dixie said:
In 40 years, I have not heard a single American EVER express the sentiment that it was "okay" ..."cool" ...or in any way "acceptable" for the military to have killed 4 people at Kent. It certainly CAN happen again, it happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco under Bill Clinton, innocent citizens were gunned down in cold blood. It's always a tragedy when it happens, and there is always the expression of remorse that it didn't have to happen.

That said, the Kent State tragedy had absolutely NOTHING to do with the "right wing getting their way!" Any more than Ruby Ridge or Waco had to do with liberal democrats getting their way! It's just a stupid and idiotic statement, made by a clown....that's you!
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It was the day I saw propaganda in action Dixie. The times weren't much different than today. The right seeded hatred with catch phrases and fear the same as they do today but instead of brown people being the target it was blacks, longhairs, antiwar college students and hippies. The hatred between the left and right was just as strong as today.

After about an hour of ambulances and confusion the school was closed. A friend and I had no way home so I called home and my mother and a friend of hers who graduated from Kent yrs before came to pick us up. Me ma was basically a Democrat folkie from the 50's and as liberal as they come. When we got in the car she was pissed because the news reported that students rioted and killed Nat. Guardsmen. (actually one guy had a heart attack a day before and that was used). My friend and I tried to tell her the truth but the initial, and purposely false news report, had worked. We talked about that ride home yrs later and she realized the news was wrong and I made her admit that it had had an affect on the way she perceived what happened that day.

So Dix, the murders and bullshit news reports all played into the right wing Law and Order slogan and Peace With Honor bullshit that was happening at the time. And you on the right are playing the same shit today. Your bumper sticker methods never change they just get out of hand now and then.

Oh, almost forgot the insult...go fuck yourself.
 
Crashk said:
It was the day I saw propaganda in action Dixie. The times weren't much different than today. The right seeded hatred with catch phrases and fear the same as they do today but instead of brown people being the target it was blacks, longhairs, antiwar college students and hippies. The hatred between the left and right was just as strong as today.

After about an hour of ambulances and confusion the school was closed. A friend and I had no way home so I called home and my mother and a friend of hers who graduated from Kent yrs before came to pick us up. Me ma was basically a Democrat folkie from the 50's and as liberal as they come. When we got in the car she was pissed because the news reported that students rioted and killed Nat. Guardsmen. (actually one guy had a heart attack a day before and that was used). My friend and I tried to tell her the truth but the initial, and purposely false news report, had worked. We talked about that ride home yrs later and she realized the news was wrong and I made her admit that it had had an affect on the way she perceived what happened that day.

So Dix, the murders and bullshit news reports all played into the right wing Law and Order slogan and Peace With Honor bullshit that was happening at the time. And you on the right are playing the same shit today. Your bumper sticker methods never change they just get out of hand now and then.

Oh, almost forgot the insult...go fuck yourself.
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Of course, you never buy into today's MSM propaganda...
 
You wash that mouth out with soap, young man.

You're a bad influence on him, with your pictures of bouncing boobies and those lttle trollops. You should be ashamed!
 
Sondra Locke was a cute little number, but she couldn't act worth shit. I wonder if Clint had her around for another reason.
 
What a thing to say! You're the one who makes me wear this wig so I look like her!

Now when are you gonna get that faucet fixed? It's been dripping for a month!
 
Southern Man said:
Of course, you never buy into today's MSM propaganda...
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I see the propaganda on MSM and I cringe when I think they are stretching it. I see a lot more on Fox. More flat out lies and half truths.

by the way did you buy into the propaganda leading up to the Iraq invasion? did you cover you house with duct tape and plastic? Did you believe we were going to war so the poor Iraqi women could have a purple finger or for oil? Did you believe Saddam could hit us in 40 minutes? Did you believe the bullshit Italian aluminum tube 'evidence'?
Do you believe Obama is a US citizen? Do you believe conservative ideology is not to blame for our current state of affairs?

Trust everybody but cut the cards when your mom's dealing.
 
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