4 in 10 now say socialism would be good for US: Gallup poll

Originally Posted by Cypress
In this country, my favorite forms of socialism are:
the non-profit, community-owned Green Bay Packers
and the public library system.

Moving overseas, my favorite socialism is the state-owned Norwegian oil company Statoil (may have changed name recently).
Norway's decision to make their national petroleum resources public property and held as a public trust while still open to some private investment was a very wise and far-sighted decision for that country.
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Mott the Hoople said:
For other countries who have done the same, like Nigeria and Venezuela it’s been a catastrophic disaster as the ruling political classes in those countries have used the vast sums of nationalized petroleum dollars to turn their countries into kleptocracies.
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I think where state-owned StatOil is a success, and where state-owned PDVSA is currently deemed a failure can be attributed basically to this:

Norway is a liberal democracy, with strong traditions of democratic, legal, and constitutional institutions, equitable and fair elections, and governments that tend to be responsive to a reasonably well-informed electorate.

Venezuela has basically always been an oligarchy, with some window dressing posing as democracy, characterized by extreme class distinctions in wealth, education, and access to information. Oligarchies are fertile breeding grounds for corruption and theft of public resources, more so than functioning liberal democracies in my opinion.
 
anatta said:
More than 4 in 10 respondents in a new Gallup poll now say that socialism would be a good thing for the U.S.

The survey results, released Monday, found that 43 percent of respondents said “some form of socialism” would be a good thing for the nation as a whole.

A little more than half — 51 percent — said that socialism would be a bad thing for the country. And 6 percent said they did not have an opinion.

The results show an increase of 15 points in the number of respondents who said socialism would be a good thing compared to a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey, in which just 25 percent of respondents said socialism would be a good thing and 40 percent said it would be bad.

The results contrast with a Monmouth University poll from earlier this month which found that 57 percent of voters believe that socialism is incompatible with American values.

The Gallup poll, which collected data between April 17-30, comes as more high-profile politicians label themselves socialist. Most notably, self-avowed democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has continued to poll in the top tier of the pool of 2020 Democratic candidates for president, though most of his competitors have distanced themselves from the label.

As the 2020 battle gets underway, Republicans have widely targeted Democrats for allegedly “embracing” socialism.

Gallup also found that Americans are more likely to favor free market over government control on a number of issues, including technological innovation, wealth distribution, the economy, wages, higher education and health care. Respondents favored government control in just two categories: environmental protection and consumers’ online privacy protection.

Respondents were split on their description of the U.S. economy, with 40 percent saying it leans more toward government control, 34 percent saying it leans toward free market control and 25 percent describing it as an equal mix of the two.

The poll of 1,024 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...0-now-say-socialism-would-be-good-for-us-poll
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guess who is to blame for this you fucking scumbait
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It sounds as though at least 40% of us realize that we already have modified socialism and have for a long time. Sucks to be a Fox viewer and out of that loop.
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this is the same thing they do with people on the right


they want to separate people off and have them at odds with each other

that way they can oppress


black and white


christian and non Christian


male and female



left and right



anyway they can slice the people from each other.


they want to pretend America and its founders didn't find socialism a perfectly fine tool for this nation to use


THE FOUNDERS CREATED A HYBRED GOVERNMENT


that was the WHOLE FUCKING DEAL



all the previous governments of the world ran up against their own flaws and failed



The brilliant founders made a never before seen Hybred that is STILL ALIVE and about to heave this idiot tyrant the Russians tried to use to take down our system
 
anatta said:
More than 4 in 10 respondents in a new Gallup poll now say that socialism would be a good thing for the U.S.

The survey results, released Monday, found that 43 percent of respondents said “some form of socialism” would be a good thing for the nation as a whole.

A little more than half — 51 percent — said that socialism would be a bad thing for the country. And 6 percent said they did not have an opinion.

The results show an increase of 15 points in the number of respondents who said socialism would be a good thing compared to a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey, in which just 25 percent of respondents said socialism would be a good thing and 40 percent said it would be bad.

The results contrast with a Monmouth University poll from earlier this month which found that 57 percent of voters believe that socialism is incompatible with American values.

The Gallup poll, which collected data between April 17-30, comes as more high-profile politicians label themselves socialist. Most notably, self-avowed democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has continued to poll in the top tier of the pool of 2020 Democratic candidates for president, though most of his competitors have distanced themselves from the label.

As the 2020 battle gets underway, Republicans have widely targeted Democrats for allegedly “embracing” socialism.

Gallup also found that Americans are more likely to favor free market over government control on a number of issues, including technological innovation, wealth distribution, the economy, wages, higher education and health care. Respondents favored government control in just two categories: environmental protection and consumers’ online privacy protection.

Respondents were split on their description of the U.S. economy, with 40 percent saying it leans more toward government control, 34 percent saying it leans toward free market control and 25 percent describing it as an equal mix of the two.

The poll of 1,024 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...0-now-say-socialism-would-be-good-for-us-poll
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I think our country will be better off being business friendly, low taxes, and low regulations.
 
evince said:
note the discussion of the American government being a Hybrid shuts them the fuck up?
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That is related to my point that the poll question and the poll responses stated that 40% of Americans favor "some form" of socialism.

Obviously, the pollsters and most American realize that there are more than just two choices: unfettered capitalism, or Soviet-style totalitarian communism.


And that takes us down to the very obvious reason that teabaggers relentlessly try to conflate the word "socialism" with Joseph Stain, Fidel Castro, Cuba, and the USSR.

Because they are smart enough to be acutely aware that the hybrid economies of the social welfare states of northern Europe - which apply both elements of socialism and free markets - are arguably the most admired socio-economic systems in the history of humankind.
 
its the same ole gig of separating people out so they fight each other while the wealthy take shit out the back door when no one is looking


The American Hybrid works great for the people


Hense the wealthy have to convince the population to fight themselves while the wealthy rape the larder


THIS IS WHY THE REPUBLICANS REFUSE TO FUND EDUCATION


they like their victims stupid so they can convince them to fight each other
 
Sailor said:
Wow Mott. Nothing like being wrong. Who the hell do you think hires those individuals to pay those taxes? That would be private, capitalist enterprise. Not the fucking government. And they do not "control" the means of production. They cannot pay for it without tax dollars.
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That doesn't change the definition of socialism. It doesn't matter where the dollars come from. What matters is who controls the means to production in the examples I provided the Government does. Thus it is socialism. This argument is a perfect example of what I mean by most people not knowing what Socialism is.
 
Cypress said:
I think where state-owned StatOil is a success, and where state-owned PDVSA is currently deemed a failure can be attributed basically to this:

Norway is a liberal democracy, with strong traditions of democratic, legal, and constitutional institutions, equitable and fair elections, and governments that tend to be responsive to a reasonably well-informed electorate.

Venezuela has basically always been an oligarchy, with some window dressing posing as democracy, characterized by extreme class distinctions in wealth, education, and access to information. Oligarchies are fertile breeding grounds for corruption and theft of public resources, more so than functioning liberal democracies in my opinion.
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I couldn't agree more and that's what scares the hell out of me about this country. Peoples United was probably the worst SCOTUS decision in US history next to Dred Scott, in setting the precedent that corporations are persons and thus have the rights of persons. This has resulted in our nation now being an oligarchy in which we are currently witnessing the events you just described. It scares the hell out of me.
 
"We will never be a Socialist nation." President Trump.

Those four who favor Socialism should head on down to Venezuela...bring food.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That doesn't change the definition of socialism. It doesn't matter where the dollars come from. What matters is who controls the means to production in the examples I provided the Government does. Thus it is socialism. This argument is a perfect example of what I mean by most people not knowing what Socialism is.
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Of course it does. Government does not produce, manufacture, sell or self sustain itself in anyway. It relies of private enterprise tax dollars to fund any of this. No money, no social programs. They do not control the means of production. They rely on other doing that and then stealing it from them.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I couldn't agree more and that's what scares the hell out of me about this country. Peoples United was probably the worst SCOTUS decision in US history next to Dred Scott, in setting the precedent that corporations are persons and thus have the rights of persons. This has resulted in our nation now being an oligarchy in which we are currently witnessing the events you just described. It scares the hell out of me.
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Boo, Snowflake.

Safe room.
 
Sailor said:
Of course it does. Government does not produce, manufacture, sell or self sustain itself in anyway. It relies of private enterprise tax dollars to fund any of this. No money, no social programs. They do not control the means of production. They rely on other doing that and then stealing it from them.
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Indeed, Mariner...indeed.

The government does not control the goods and services. The people do.
 
Earl said:
"We will never be a Socialist nation." President Trump.

Those four who favor Socialism should head on down to Venezuela...bring food.
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the stupid have their stupid king


this is the product of republicans hating public education
 
Cypress said:
That is related to my point that the poll question and the poll responses stated that 40% of Americans favor "some form" of socialism.

Obviously, the pollsters and most American realize that there are more than just two choices: unfettered capitalism, or Soviet-style totalitarian communism.


And that takes us down to the very obvious reason that teabaggers relentlessly try to conflate the word "socialism" with Joseph Stain, Fidel Castro, Cuba, and the USSR.

Because they are smart enough to be acutely aware that the hybrid economies of the social welfare states of northern Europe - which apply both elements of socialism and free markets - are arguably the most admired socio-economic systems in the history of humankind.
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And the systems work for PEOPLE, for average citizens, not just the aristocracy. Isn't it odd how our American conservatives claim to love individuality and freedom, but want to hand the keys to the kingdom to the 1%?
 
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