3 Reasons Why Gillette's 'Toxic Masculinity' Ad Is Incredibly Stupid And Degrading

Sailor said:
No way that idiot can read. All he is doing is regurgitating what his shrink tells him about himself........
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he's a waste of time. a complete fool who has no understand of the terminlogy and always turns discussions into ad homs.
He has the debate skills of Pee Wee Herman.

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LV426 said:
You're the one who invoked "classically", and now that you realized the implications of doing so, suddenly you start shifting the goalposts.

Classically, masculine men were bisexual and would fuck each other.

Classically, masculine men used to wrestle in the nude.

But please, move those goalposts on what "classically masculine" means, because watching you ignore all of human history for the last 50 or so years is a hoot!
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Maybe your ancestors. Which kind of goes to prove you can get pregnant by anal sex.
 
noise said:
he's a waste of time. a complete fool who has no understand of the terminlogy and always turns discussions into ad homs.
He has the debate skills of Pee Wee Herman.

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Folks like him are the reason I am still pissed at Republicans. They let all the nuts out.
 
noise said:
he's a waste of time. a complete fool who has no understand of the terminlogy and always turns discussions into ad homs.
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This the whiniest post I've read today. Crying like a fucking emasculated baby because I refuse to accommodate his bad faith argument.

What a weakling.
 
noise said:
He has the debate skills of Pee Wee Herman.
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You wish you could hang in a debate with me, but you can't. That's why I kick your ass up and down these boards on an almost daily basis. And it's so easy too because you're so fucking lazy, you can't even fight back.
 
Phantasmal said:
No, why don’t you think he’s a brother, educate me, because I don’t see why he isn’t what he claims.
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He whines too much. He is dumb as a rock. All he wants is free shit. No self respecting black person acts like that. A pasty white trailer park trash millennial does.
 
noise said:
he fine folks at Gillette recently decided to take a break from peddling overpriced razors and instead focus on insulting their entire customer base. Presumably taking the advice of a marketing agency staffed exclusively by pink-haired feminists, Gillette released an ad this week which encourages men to stop raping and bullying and doing all of the other things that men will inevitably do until their shaving cream tells them not to.

The video, which has racked up an impressive 313 thousand dislikes on YouTube, opens with various scenes of men and boys doing various obnoxious and awful things. It is implied that we men have excused these behaviors by shrugging and muttering "boys will be boys." The ad makes this point very subtly, by showing a line of men saying "boys will be boys" in unison as they watch two other boys fight.

But then! "Something finally changed," the narrator tells us. "There will be no going back," we are assured. What changed? The Me Too movement. This, according to Gillette, was the seminal moment when men realized that they aren't supposed to rape, assault, harass, or bully. We learned to "act the right way." Though, the narrator allows, "some already are." Then we are shown various examples of men doing really basic, human things, like encouraging their children and breaking up fights.

Feminists love the ad and apparently cannot understand why so many men have reacted negatively to it. I thought I would help them out by offering a mansplaination:

1) The Me Too movement didn't "change" anything for most of us. It is obviously insulting, not to mention absurd, to suggest that men, as a whole, experienced some sort of great awakening when Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, and Kevin Spacey got in trouble. We already knew that it's wrong to rape. We were already well aware that harassment is not okay. There is not a single man on Earth who watched a news report about Weinstein, slapped his forehead, and said, "Oh! So we're not supposed to do that? Alright then! My mistake!" Even the men who do those things already knew they weren't supposed to do them. They do the things anyway because they are evil, and that's what evil people do.

But the vast majority of men are not rapists or harassers and were, prior to this past year, already staunchly opposed to both activities. There was nothing epiphanic or revolutionary about Me Too for us. To insinuate that we learned that rape and assault are bad, or that we needed needed to learn such a lesson, is patronizing in the extreme.

2) "Boys will be boys" is not a rationale for bad behavior. In my entire life I have never once heard anyone, ever, offer "boys will be boys" as an excuse for rape or bullying. I have never seen a bunch of men standing around watching a kid pummel another kid while they all nod in approval and say "boys will be boys" to one another, like programed automatons. Have the people at Gillette ever even met an actual human man before? Perhaps not. Maybe that's why they think we need a razor with 14 blades to shave in the morning, as if our beards are made from the steel bristles of a wire brush.

In any case, "boys will be boys" does not generally function as an excuse. It is a cliche but, like many cliches, it contains great wisdom. Boys will indeed be boys, and should be boys, and should be allowed to be boys without their natural boy-ness being constantly suppressed. Boys are energetic, aggressive, creative, competitive. They need safe and accepting outlets for these impulses. Incidentally, rolling around and roughhousing is one such outlet. The ad shows an enlightened man swooping in to stop a couple of young boys from wrestling around in the grass, which is exactly the wrong approach. As long as it's all in good fun, and nobody is getting seriously hurt, and it is not a case of assault or actual bullying, then the fatherly instinct to step back and let the boys be boys is correct.

There are only, in the end, two options. Either we let boys act like boys or we force them to act like girls. But the latter option makes as much sense as forcing girls to act like boys. You wouldn't demand that your daughter stop playing with dolls and go out and wrestle in the grass instead. Why should we demand the reverse of boys? That's the point of "boys will be boys," and God help the boys cursed with parents who don't understand this point.

3) The ad says that "some men" act the right way. Can you in your wildest and most fevered dreams even imagine the reaction to an ad that spoke about women in these terms? Imagine an ad for Dove body wash that shows women doing stereotypically negative things like gossiping and nagging and shopping too much, and then the narrator comes on: "Sure, some women act the right way." Feminists would be rioting in the street. They'd storm Dove headquarters and stone the head of marketing to death with loofahs dipped in cement.

But no such ad would or could ever exist. Women are not lectured and scolded this way. This sort of treatment is reserved for men. And men are tired of it. We've heard it enough. We're terrible; we're horrible; we've ruined the world. Okay, we get it. Thank you. Now shut up and sell your 14-bladed razors and leave us alone.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/42190/walsh-5-reasons-why-gillettes-toxic-masculinity-ad-matt-walsh
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Way too much word salad for me to wade through, but stylistically I got the impression it was written by an embittered INCEL loser?

Life is simpler than most people are willing to believe - I think it just comes down to trying to not be a dick, and having respect both for yourself and for others.
 
Phantasmal said:
You don’t use ad hominems?
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targeted & sparingly. it's not my 'go to' way of debate .
i'll use it as ridicule -but i try not to get into personal attacks on my posts in favor of advancing a conversation

whatshisface on the other hand can't help himself from dragging them out as standard fare
 
noise said:
targeted & sparingly. it's not my 'go to' way of debate .
i'll use it as ridicule -but i try not to get into personal attacks on my posts in favor of advancing a conversation

whatshisface on the other hand can't help himself from dragging them out as standard fare
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You use them far more than you realize, it’s funny you think it’s sparingly.
 
Cypress said:
Way too much word salad for me to wade through, but stylistically I got the impression it was written by an embittered INCEL loser?

Life is simpler than most people are willing to believe - I think it just comes down to trying to not be a dick, and having respect both for yourself and for others.
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it's stereotyping of men in some weird femistist perspective.
I agree with your sentiments
 
Cornelius said:
i dont believe in your stupid made up terms

stop trying to virtue signal. men don't like this commercial, that's why there is a 5:1 dislike ratio. this was supposed to be a commercial for men, but men mostly think it's retarded. it's left alcove bubble thinking. again, if you switch the genders and talked about some global problem that all women share, it'd be a national outcry. (the fact that some might say women are completely innocent on a global scale of all wrongdoing also proves my point about how much anti-male sentiment there is in the media)
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Nah. Men with a modicum of intelligence, who aren't governed by emotion and who have testicles don't dislike it.

Stop being such a sniveling little pussy. Life is better when you're not.
 
Phantasmal said:
Youbuse them far more than you realize, it’s funny you think it’s sparingly.
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i'm cognizant of what I write.
Most of my posts ignore the childish name calling endemic to this board in favor of addressing point of discussion.

JPP is a sewer. you guys never moderate even basic trolling, so ya- I might be slipping as well
 
tinfoil said:
I won't buy their blades anymore. I don't appreciate being compared with bad people I don't know or have anything in common with besides having a penis. Stupid ad. I've been a customer for 35 years. Now I'll try one of those online ones and see if their blades are any good.
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Yeah, that's about all you can do. Though I didn't see the ad comparing me or you to anybody else. I personally don't shave, I trim my beard but I don't shave so the ad wouldn't affect me one way or the other.

I saw a boring ad, truly. I didn't even know what they were trying to sell me.
 
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