3 Reasons Science Deniers Are Freaking Out About Neil deGrasse Tyson's "Cosmos"

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3 Reasons Science Deniers Are Freaking Out About Neil deGrasse Tyson's "Cosmos"

Not surprisingly, those who deny the theory of evolution were not happy with the new series.

http://www.alternet.org/print/3-rea...reaking-out-about-neil-degrasse-tysons-cosmos

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Thanks for the link Ken. I've missed both episodes.

 

[Callinectes]

Left to right, M42 the Orion Nebula, M13 globular cluster in Hercules, and M57 the Ring Nebula in Lyra. I took these shots a few months ago through a small telescope in my back yard. You can see M42 naked eye if you know where to look, but it doesn't "pop" until you photograph it using some pretty sophisticated(and SCIENTIFIC)processes. M13 is the same. It is a fuzzy snowball in a small scope. The Ring is all but invisible with the equipment available to me, and I have to use SCIENCE(and FAITH)to even get in the celestial ball park to photograph it. And just last night, I spent a wonderful 2 hours just staring at Mars. I can rattle off a whole pant load of scientific minutiae about these objects, but there always comes a point when I become overwhelmed by the beauty and majesty of these things, and creation in general. Therein lies my beef with science(actually SCIENTISTS, science is what it is). Scientists are on a quest for explanations, or "truth" depending on your point of view. IMHO, to get to these universal truths, these people have to try to think in purely cold, scientific terms. They have to stop thinking on an emotional level just to come up with a mountain of scientific data that very few people understand, and has virtually zero practical value. If they started out with any religious beliefs, they basically had to suspend them(not ALL scientists, of course). Because they become curators of this advanced knowledge, they start to believe it explains everything(it doesn't, not by a long shot), and they become so full of ego that they take it upon themselves to "debunk" the "myth" of God. Would it kill them to acknowledge what they don't know? And finally, a little piece of advice for the scientific crowd that I try to live by:

Try to remember that you can't figure it out. This is hard, because it's fundamentally different from the narcissistic mindset we naturally have. You have to start knowing that no matter how hard you or anyone else tries, you won't figure it all out.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."- Isaiah 55:8

 

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The new "Cosmos" is awesome.

It's funny; it's extremely hard to watch the 1st episode that details how insanely vast the universe is, and then how it might just be one of an infinite # of universes, and not conclude that there is a grand design to the whole thing. Religious nuts should love it.

 

[Jarod]

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Left to right, M42 the Orion Nebula, M13 globular cluster in Hercules, and M57 the Ring Nebula in Lyra. I took these shots a few months ago through a small telescope in my back yard. You can see M42 naked eye if you know where to look, but it doesn't "pop" until you photograph it using some pretty sophisticated(and SCIENTIFIC)processes. M13 is the same. It is a fuzzy snowball in a small scope. The Ring is all but invisible with the equipment available to me, and I have to use SCIENCE(and FAITH)to even get in the celestial ball park to photograph it. And just last night, I spent a wonderful 2 hours just staring at Mars. I can rattle off a whole pant load of scientific minutiae about these objects, but there always comes a point when I become overwhelmed by the beauty and majesty of these things, and creation in general. Therein lies my beef with science(actually SCIENTISTS, science is what it is). Scientists are on a quest for explanations, or "truth" depending on your point of view. IMHO, to get to these universal truths, these people have to try to think in purely cold, scientific terms. They have to stop thinking on an emotional level just to come up with a mountain of scientific data that very few people understand, and has virtually zero practical value. If they started out with any religious beliefs, they basically had to suspend them(not ALL scientists, of course). Because they become curators of this advanced knowledge, they start to believe it explains everything(it doesn't, not by a long shot), and they become so full of ego that they take it upon themselves to "debunk" the "myth" of God. Would it kill them to acknowledge what they don't know? And finally, a little piece of advice for the scientific crowd that I try to live by:

Try to remember that you can't figure it out. This is hard, because it's fundamentally different from the narcissistic mindset we naturally have. You have to start knowing that no matter how hard you or anyone else tries, you won't figure it all out.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."- Isaiah 55:8

Just because you don't understand scientific information does not make it practically useless, that knowledge is going to be the basis for the next level of human technology and understanding and development. Basically the next level of consciousness.

 

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Left to right, M42 the Orion Nebula, M13 globular cluster in Hercules, and M57 the Ring Nebula in Lyra. I took these shots a few months ago through a small telescope in my back yard. You can see M42 naked eye if you know where to look, but it doesn't "pop" until you photograph it using some pretty sophisticated(and SCIENTIFIC)processes. M13 is the same. It is a fuzzy snowball in a small scope. The Ring is all but invisible with the equipment available to me, and I have to use SCIENCE(and FAITH)to even get in the celestial ball park to photograph it. And just last night, I spent a wonderful 2 hours just staring at Mars. I can rattle off a whole pant load of scientific minutiae about these objects, but there always comes a point when I become overwhelmed by the beauty and majesty of these things, and creation in general. Therein lies my beef with science(actually SCIENTISTS, science is what it is). Scientists are on a quest for explanations, or "truth" depending on your point of view. IMHO, to get to these universal truths, these people have to try to think in purely cold, scientific terms. They have to stop thinking on an emotional level just to come up with a mountain of scientific data that very few people understand, and has virtually zero practical value. If they started out with any religious beliefs, they basically had to suspend them(not ALL scientists, of course). Because they become curators of this advanced knowledge, they start to believe it explains everything(it doesn't, not by a long shot), and they become so full of ego that they take it upon themselves to "debunk" the "myth" of God. Would it kill them to acknowledge what they don't know? And finally, a little piece of advice for the scientific crowd that I try to live by:

Try to remember that you can't figure it out. This is hard, because it's fundamentally different from the narcissistic mindset we naturally have. You have to start knowing that no matter how hard you or anyone else tries, you won't figure it all out.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."- Isaiah 55:8

Those are some great shots! How big a telescope you need to get them?

Do you just use filters to get shots like that or was it another "process"?

I started getting into stargazing in the last couple years and I just got an 8" Dobsonian.

 

[Callinectes]

Just because you don't understand scientific information does not make it practically useless, that knowledge is going to be the basis for the next level of human technology and understanding and development. Basically the next level of consciousness.

Well, you either have a lot more information than I do, or you're blowing smoke. Please provide an example of what "the next level of consciousness" might look like. Oh, Capitan Piccard called, he wants his starship back(with a full tank of gas this time).

 

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Well, you either have a lot more information than I do, or you're blowing smoke. Please provide an example of what "the next level of consciousness" might look like. Oh, Capitan Piccard called, he wants his starship back(with a full tank of gas this time).

The singularity is coming!

Actually, I have no idea if it is or not. But, if you read or see the stuff from people who are convinced it is, it's really freaky.

 

[Callinectes]

Those are some great shots! How big a telescope you need to get them?

Do you just use filters to get shots like that or was it another "process"?

I started getting into stargazing in the last couple years and I just got an 8" Dobsonian.

Thanks. These were taken when I was just starting out with astrophotography. My astrophotography scope is an 80mm(a little over 3")apochromatic refractor on a celestron AVX mount. I use 2 filters, an ultra high contrast/light pollution reduction, and an oxygen III filter for nebula. I use a Canon T3i DSLR camera, which is not ideal for this purpose, but is affordable. If you want to learn more about processing, search "Long Exposure Astrophotography" on YouTube. Dobsonians are great scopes that scoop up lots of photons, but are not suited for long exposure astrophotography due to the type of mount they use. But you should be able to get some spectacular views of many Messier objects and planets, even the moon is amazing!

 

[NOVA]

The new "Cosmos" is awesome.

It's funny; it's extremely hard to watch the 1st episode that details how insanely vast the universe is, and then how it might just be one of an infinite # of universes, and not conclude that there is a grand design to the whole thing. Religious nuts should love it.

A grand design ?.....by a grand designer, perhaps ?

Are you entering that next level of consciousness that Jarod is talking about ?

 

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A grand design ?.....by a grand designer, perhaps ?

Are you entering that next level of consciousness that Jarod is talking about ?

Possibly, but that's a very literal argument for "God" in the religious sense. I think what is behind everything is probably pretty incomprehensible, and something we're more a party to than anyone would suspect.

 

[NOVA]

Possibly, but that's a very literal argument for "God" in the religious sense. I think what is behind everything is probably pretty incomprehensible, and something we're more a party to than anyone would suspect.

incomprehensible ?...................exactly.

Yet, we know whats out there, we have evidence of its vastness and its still overwhelming to grasp....like one very smart man said not too long ago....

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

Something to keep in mind when others try to tell you what they think is the truth...whether its a politician on what is good for you, or some scientist on global warming, etc.