29% think armed revolt might be necessary

[blackascoal]

something i've never understood from the pro government anti militia people. what on earth makes you think we're going to have separate camps away from other civilians that would make us easy targets?

Because they can see and hear everything you do if you're targeted or suspected. Do you have that technology?

AND, because some of the people around you are going to point you out .. and if you don't know that .. best to keep one bullet in your pistol .. just in case.

This isn't the 17th century.

 

[blackascoal]

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You must be joking .. but on second thought .. hey, perhaps you're right and you can outgun and out technology the government.

Please let me know when it begins so I can stock up on popcorn. :0)

 

[blackascoal]

True, i just really wonder how many of those 29% would truly rebel. It might surprise me.

Few of them.

This is all immature macho fantasy.

'Macho' is a powerful mindfuck.

 

[Steelplate]

Few of them.

This is all immature macho fantasy.

'Macho' is a powerful mindfuck.

Consider their sources of information. Right wing media is a huge propaganda machine....when fact checked, most of it is half truths, some of it is outright lies. But because it is what they want to hear, they accept it as fact without questioning.

I don't watch much MSNBC for that very reason....and when I do, if something seems hard to swallow... I try to debunk it on the internet as best I can.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

So... let me get this straight. You want to hold an armed revolt, either forcing the government to establish corporate law, or overthrowing it altogether? I'm as anti-government as you, but, really, that's just stupid.

No one here WANTS an armed revolt, least of all any veteran here (or any that have seen combat). Doesn't mean such a course would not be required (in the minds of others of course, certainly not mine).

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

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You must be joking .. but on second thought .. hey, perhaps you're right and you can outgun and out technology the government.

Please let me know when it begins so I can stock up on popcorn. :0)

Who says you have to do that? The Viet Cong didn't. The Chechens haven't. The Afghanis certainly haven't, nor the Iraqis.

 

[blackascoal]

Consider their sources of information. Right wing media is a huge propaganda machine....when fact checked, most of it is half truths, some of it is outright lies. But because it is what they want to hear, they accept it as fact without questioning.

I don't watch much MSNBC for that very reason....and when I do, if something seems hard to swallow... I try to debunk it on the internet as best I can.

Wise words indeed brother.

 

[Steelplate]

No one here WANTS an armed revolt, least of all any veteran here (or any that have seen combat). Doesn't mean such a course would not be required (in the minds of others of course, certainly not mine).

Well, why do you boys keep bringing up the subject? You had Granule chomping at the bit, STY, 911, and ILA....and of course you bringing it up on a semi-regular basis.

Basically, what I am hearing from you guys is this "shit's not going the way I want it to, so fuck it.... circle the wagons!"

 

[blackascoal]

Who says you have to do that? The Viet Cong didn't. The Chechens haven't. The Afghanis certainly haven't, nor the Iraqis.

Neither the Viet Cong, the Chechens, the Afghans, nor the Iraqis faced the technology, firepower, or populace that the anarchists will face here.

I hate to step on anyone's fantasy .. but FIRST, there aren't enough of them to even make a difference. Sure, everybody is on board and gung ho .. until the shooting starts. Won't be long before they start turning on each other.

It's a fantasy.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Well, why do you boys keep bringing up the subject? You had Granule chomping at the bit, STY, 911, and ILA....and of course you bringing it up on a semi-regular basis.

Basically, what I am hearing from you guys is this "shit's not going the way I want it to, so fuck it.... circle the wagons!"

I don't speak for anyone but myself, and as I've said here, I would NEVER advocate such a position as to challenge the all mighty government, except in the extreme hypothetical.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Neither the Viet Cong, the Chechens, the Afghans, nor the Iraqis faced the technology, firepower, or populace that the anarchists will face here.

Are you serious? I mean, the people in Afghanistan and Iraq are facing it RIGHT NOW.

I hate to step on anyone's fantasy .. but FIRST, there aren't enough of them to even make a difference. Sure, everybody is on board and gung ho .. until the shooting starts. Won't be long before they start turning on each other.

It's a fantasy.

Again, are you serious? There are, at the very minimum, a couple million. A more realistic number is 12,000,000-ish

 

[Damocles]

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You must be joking .. but on second thought .. hey, perhaps you're right and you can outgun and out technology the government.

Please let me know when it begins so I can stock up on popcorn. :0)

You really don't have to. We can start with the idea that if revolution came that nobody in the military would be affected by it or join in that side of things, that is pure fantasy. Secondly, to fight an unbalanced fight one doesn't need to "outgun", they just need to be able to do as the insurgents do in Afghanistan. This idea that the government can see and hear everything about everybody... absurd, absolutely batty. 29% of the population say this, they don't have enough frickin' drones to cover 100 million people and not even close to enough people who would be willing to do this to Americans rather than an enemy.

 

[blackascoal]

Are you serious? I mean, the people in Afghanistan and Iraq are facing it RIGHT NOW.

Again, are you serious? There are, at the very minimum, a couple million. A more realistic number is 12,000,000-ish

With all due respect my friend, if you think there are millions of people waiting to fight against the government, you're headed for a serious letdown.

I suggest that before anyone starts to seriously think about rebellion, they should take a cold shower first, then attempt to understand the dynamics of revolution and human character.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

With all due respect my friend, if you think there are millions of people waiting to fight against the government, you're headed for a serious letdown.

Waiting? No. Willing? Yes.

I suggest that before anyone starts to seriously think about rebellion, they should take a cold shower first, then attempt to understand the dynamics of revolution and human character.

Oh no question there. Sunshine patriots and summer soldiers need not apply.

 

[maineman]

given the very small number of responders and the 3 or 4 point difference, even 25% of 100 million gun owners should make anybody seriously take notice. that is 25 million people. what will you do about that?

what will we do it 25 million people take up arms against the government?

shoot them like traitorous dogs in the street, that's what.

 

[Bonestorm]

I don't mean to inject a little reality in this delightful little spate of make-belive you kids are playing, but the insurgency analogy would be apt only in the event of an outside force invading the U.S. Think Red Dawn (which I'm guessing some of you have seen far too many times than is healthy).

 

[Steelplate]

I don't speak for anyone but myself, and as I've said here, I would NEVER advocate such a position as to challenge the all mighty government, except in the extreme hypothetical.

I can't tell if you're serious or not....I think it's the use of the "all mighty" part that has me thrown off....but regardless...

What bothers me most about this idea of armed rebellion is that there are people...11 million or so, according to your estimates that are willing to forgo the Democratic process that our founding fathers put into place....we elect our representatives who are supposed to advocate for the people's will and pass laws accordingly.

There are what? 400 million people in this country? At least half the people are fine with the way things are. There's a smaller portion of America that is not OK with the way things are(I am basing this on election results)... but realize that the Democratic process is the way we do things in this country and accept it because they know that things change with the natural ebb and flow of the system.

Then....on either far end of the political spectrum...you have radicals who want to blow things up.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I don't mean to inject a little reality in this delightful little spate of make-belive you kids are playing, but the insurgency analogy would be apt only in the event of an outside force invading the U.S. Think Red Dawn (which I'm guessing some of you have seen far too many times than is healthy).

And why might that be?

 

[Damocles]

what will we do it 25 million people take up arms against the government?

shoot them like traitorous dogs in the street, that's what.

As if they'd all line up for you... It's stupid. If 25 Million Americans decided to run an insurgency the government would be helpless to stop it. They'd not be able to drop nukes on them, they'd be killing more "faithful" then they would those in rebellion, they would hide among the population, some would be the people in the military that you think would be killing them without remorse.

 

[maineman]

I do not believe that 25 million right wing nutcases could "run" an insurgency. The level of chaotic disorganization would insure their defeat....imho.