26,172

[Teflon Don]

That is how many bombs Obama dropped on other countries in 2016.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Yemen
Somalia
Pakistan

I don't recall one JPP leftist coming on here calling for impeachment. I don't recall one JPP leftist claiming that Obama was a neocon warmonger and committed acts of war. NOT ONE.

But, Trump drops 14 bombs on Iran's nuclear capabilities and y'all shit your britches.

Any of you JPP marxists want to reconcile this little inconvenient fact for you? Why the disparity in thinking? Cognitive dissonance? Blue team/Red team dynamics? What is it? Why the inconsistency and hypocrisy?

How Many Bombs Did the United States Drop in 2016?

This blog post was coauthored with my research associate, Jennifer Wilson. [Note: This post was updated to reflect an additional strike in Yemen in 2016, announced by U.S. Central Command on January …

www.cfr.org

 

[archives]

That is how many bombs Obama dropped on other countries in 2016.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Yemen
Somalia
Pakistan

I don't recall one JPP leftist coming on here calling for impeachment. I don't recall one JPP leftist claiming that Obama was a neocon warmonger and committed acts of war. NOT ONE.

But, Trump drops 14 bombs on Iran's nuclear capabilities and y'all shit your britches.

Any of you JPP marxists want to reconcile this little inconvenient fact for you? Why the disparity in thinking? Cognitive dissonance? Blue team/Red team dynamics? What is it? Why the inconsistency and hypocrisy?

How Many Bombs Did the United States Drop in 2016?

This blog post was coauthored with my research associate, Jennifer Wilson. [Note: This post was updated to reflect an additional strike in Yemen in 2016, announced by U.S. Central Command on January …

www.cfr.org

Kinda funny, the Messiah has a big moment and the Red Hat Club still feel the need to import whataboutisms, says a lot

But I’ll play, did Obama promise to never drag the U.S. into another conflict in the ME?

Those 14 bombs were mega bombs, first of that caliber ever used, did Obama drop any mega bombs? Also over a dozen missiles were launched from submarines and over 128 aircraft were involved, not all flying west, so you think the other planes were there for company?

 

[Teflon Don]

Kinda funny, the Messiah has a big moment and the Red Hat Club still feel the need to import whataboutisms, says a lot

But I’ll play, did Obama promise to never drag the U.S. into another conflict in the ME?

Those 14 bombs were mega bombs, first of that caliber ever used, did Obama drop any mega bombs? Also over a dozen missiles were launched from submarines and over 128 aircraft were involved, not all flying west, so you think the other planes were there for company?

No whataboutism at all (although I never see you criticize your side when they do it), but I digress.

I do appreciate you attempt at spinning for B. Hussein Obama, but it falls flat.

So because he didn't say he would never drag the US into another conflict, you give him a pass? Is that what you are saying? If Trump had never said he would get the US into another US conflict in the Middle East you would not be complaining? Is that what you are saying?

So it used to be the standard from leftists that your side didn't really commit acts of war because they were only dropping bombs and not putting boots on the ground. Now, that seems to have shifted and it is the TYPE of bomb that is dropped.

The sands are always shifting with you guys, whether you meant to or not, you actually proved my point. Thank you.

It would have been simpler had you just admitted you are a hypocrite

 

[Yakuda]

Kinda funny, the Messiah has a big moment and the Red Hat Club still feel the need to import whataboutisms, says a lot

But I’ll play, did Obama promise to never drag the U.S. into another conflict in the ME?

Those 14 bombs were mega bombs, first of that caliber ever used, did Obama drop any mega bombs? Also over a dozen missiles were launched from submarines and over 128 aircraft were involved, not all flying west, so you think the other planes were there for company?

It's not a "conflict" when one side gets it's ass kicked I thinks it's called an ass whoopin'.

 

[archives]

No whataboutism at all (although I never see you criticize your side when they do it), but I digress.

I do appreciate you attempt at spinning for B. Hussein Obama, but it falls flat.

So because he didn't say he would never drag the US into another conflict, you give him a pass? Is that what you are saying? If Trump had never said he would get the US into another US conflict in the Middle East you would not be complaining? Is that what you are saying?

So it used to be the standard from leftists that your side didn't really commit acts of war because they were only dropping bombs and not putting boots on the ground. Now, that seems to have shifted and it is the TYPE of bomb that is dropped.

The sands are always shifting with you guys, whether you meant to or not, you actually proved my point. Thank you.

It would have been simpler had you just admitted you are a hypocrite

No need to spin, as historians have noted, Obama stands within the top fifteen ranked US Presidents

For beginners, Obama never said he wouldn’t, that was Trump’s lie, and he echoed the lie more than once

And no I am not calling for Trump’s impeachment over bombing Iran, nor are many on the left, rather pointing out the dishonesty from Trump in doing his best to control thr narrative which anyone knows is not true, Iran’s nuclear sites were not “obliviated and totally destroyed” as Trump told Americans over the weekend and continues to say today

 

[Teflon Don]

No need to spin, as historians have noted, Obama stands within the top fifteen ranked US Presidents

For beginners, Obama never said he wouldn’t, that was Trump’s lie, and he echoed the lie more than once

And no I am not calling for Trump’s impeachment over bombing Iran, nor are many on the left, rather pointing out the dishonesty from Trump in doing his best to control thr narrative which anyone knows is not true, Iran’s nuclear sites were not “obliviated and totally destroyed” as Trump told Americans over the weekend and continues to say today

so your only problem is that Trump said he wouldn't start wars?

you are actually fine with the action? good to know

 

[archives]

so your only problem is that Trump said he wouldn't start wars?

you are actually fine with the action? good to know

No matter how you try to rephrase the post, the answer is still no, and somewhat to the latter

Why would I care if Trump lied, I know he lies, lies often and repeatedly, it is part of his shtick, I believe it used to be called Gish Gallop, one of the reasons he is on media seemingly 24/7, however what I find beyond humorous how his Red Hat Club eagerly swallow these lies as facts

Once again, I am pointing out the dishonesty from Trump in doing his best to control the narrative which anyone knows is not true, Iran’s nuclear sites were not “obliviated and totally destroyed” as Trump told Americans over the weekend and continues to say today

 

[gfm7175]

Kinda funny, the Messiah has a big moment and the Red Hat Club still feel the need to import whataboutisms, says a lot

But I’ll play,

Poor anchovies.............. wants ANOTHER spanking......... Fine, I'll oblige.

did Obama promise to never drag the U.S. into another conflict in the ME?

What "another conflict in the ME" ? A quick "bomb and done" mission is not "Iraq 2.0".

Those 14 bombs were mega bombs, first of that caliber ever used,

They were required to carry out the specific mission.

did Obama drop any mega bombs?

No, because many thousands of smaller bombs were sufficient for his war-mongering.

 

[gfm7175]

It's not a "conflict" when one side gets it's ass kicked I thinks it's called an ass whoopin'.

Daddy Trump is not one for "gentle parenting".

 

[archives]

Poor anchovies.............. wants ANOTHER spanking......... Fine, I'll oblige.

What "another conflict in the ME" ? A quick "bomb and done" mission is not "Iraq 2.0".

They were required to carry out the specific mission.

No, because many thousands of smaller bombs were sufficient for his war-mongering.

Now your writing your own history? Your own fiction would be a more applicable description

Ah, bombing another nation isn’t a singular act, and Iran is in the ME, and by the way, all that bullshit of Obama dragging us into war is exactly that, bullshit, Obama was not a “war monger,.l what he did was continue the management of existing conflicts he inherited from the prior Administration

Totally missed the point, actually indirectly confirmed my position, thanks

 

[archives]

Daddy Trump is not one for "gentle parenting".

Yeah, Eric and Junior are products of strict parenting, Trump probably didn’t even know their names while he was off “grabbing pussy”

 

[Hume]

That is how many bombs Obama dropped on other countries in 2016.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Yemen
Somalia
Pakistan

I don't recall one JPP leftist coming on here calling for impeachment. I don't recall one JPP leftist claiming that Obama was a neocon warmonger and committed acts of war. NOT ONE.

But, Trump drops 14 bombs on Iran's nuclear capabilities and y'all shit your britches.

Any of you JPP marxists want to reconcile this little inconvenient fact for you? Why the disparity in thinking? Cognitive dissonance? Blue team/Red team dynamics? What is it? Why the inconsistency and hypocrisy?

How Many Bombs Did the United States Drop in 2016?

This blog post was coauthored with my research associate, Jennifer Wilson. [Note: This post was updated to reflect an additional strike in Yemen in 2016, announced by U.S. Central Command on January …

www.cfr.org

I called out Obama for this. You just ignored it.

 

[Teflon Don]

I called out Obama for this. You just ignored it.

Prove it. I don’t believe you

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No need to spin, as historians have noted, Obama stands within the top fifteen ranked US Presidents

Yea, I've seen their ratings, and they're totally bullshit. I don't know precisely where Obama stands, but I'd put him in the lower end of the middle of the pact off hand. Nothing particularly outstanding or notable about his time in office, but nothing really terrible either.

For beginners, Obama never said he wouldn’t, that was Trump’s lie, and he echoed the lie more than once

That's just hair splitting. Politicians make all sorts of claims and promises, but things change during their time in office meaning they have to change with the times. To hold any politician to every promise they make is absurd.

And no I am not calling for Trump’s impeachment over bombing Iran, nor are many on the left, rather pointing out the dishonesty from Trump in doing his best to control thr narrative which anyone knows is not true, Iran’s nuclear sites were not “obliviated and totally destroyed” as Trump told Americans over the weekend and continues to say today

What I just pointed out is the intellectual absurdity of what you are claiming. Trump, like many politicians before him, may well have exaggerated the results of his actions. Obama made all sorts of claims about how great Obamacare would be once passed. It passed and was an instant disaster.

In this--the bombing of Iran--we will certainly see in the next few years if Trump did something or not, won't we?

 

[Hume]

Prove it. I don’t believe you

So, go back and look at posts10 years ago.

 

[Teflon Don]

So, go back and look at posts10 years ago.

That is the only way I will believe you. Shouldn’t be hard to do.

Marxists like you lie all the time. There were ZERO complaints about B. Hussein Obama. You may not have liked it but you dared not criticize your half black musklim messiah.

 

[archives]

Yea, I've seen their ratings, and they're totally bullshit. I don't know precisely where Obama stands, but I'd put him in the lower end of the middle of the pact off hand. Nothing particularly outstanding or notable about his time in office, but nothing really terrible either.


That's just hair splitting. Politicians make all sorts of claims and promises, but things change during their time in office meaning they have to change with the times. To hold any politician to every promise they make is absurd.

What I just pointed out is the intellectual absurdity of what you are claiming. Trump, like many politicians before him, may well have exaggerated the results of his actions. Obama made all sorts of claims about how great Obamacare would be once passed. It passed and was an instant disaster.

In this--the bombing of Iran--we will certainly see in the next few years if Trump did something or not, won't we?

Of course they are “bullshit,” anything and everything Obama is “bullshit” to the Red Hat Club, you got proof to invalidate the historians ranking?

True, to put it another way, politicians lie, but no President in American History lied like Trump lies, none are even close, and direct lies to the American citizenry. Hard to understand how the right doesn’t understand that Trump lies at an Olympian record rate, in fact, nearly every thing he says is a flat out lie, it his strategy, his schtick. Is Trump knows no matter what he says third of the country, swallow it, the right wing media will echo it, and by the time the fact checkers get caught up to it Trump will be two dozen lies ahead

Yes, the results are yet to be determined, been saying that all along, but one thing we do know is the “oblivion” “total destruction” report was a lie

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Of course they are “bullshit,” anything and everything Obama is “bullshit” to the Red Hat Club, you got proof to invalidate the historians ranking?

I could start with Benjamin Harrison who was in office just 30 days before dying and in that time did NOTHING as he was on his death bed. He's ranked 23rd on the tables reprinted in the link. That's absurd. He should be ranked "Not Observed." That is he shouldn't be ranked at all. He did nothing as President and wasn't in office long enough to be observed. What he did outside of office before being elected is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

Next, you look at the various rating methods and can see they are largely subjective (opinion) rather than empirical and objective.

Bottomline, historical rankings of presidents should be as objective and empirical as possible not a subjective popularity contest based on personal opinion.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even the most simplistic look at how the ratings are made shows I am 100% correct here.

True, to put it another way, politicians lie, but no President in American History lied like Trump lies, none are even close, and direct lies to the American citizenry. Hard to understand how the right doesn’t understand that Trump lies at an Olympian record rate, in fact, nearly every thing he says is a flat out lie, it his strategy, his schtick. Is Trump knows no matter what he says third of the country, swallow it, the right wing media will echo it, and by the time the fact checkers get caught up to it Trump will be two dozen lies ahead

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor..." Obama

The Gulf of Tonkin incident LBJ

"I am not a crook!" Nixon

"The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base" Truman

"Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars" FDR

(Mexico) "has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil" Polk

So, as always, or nearly always, you are full of shit with your myopic view of history.

Yes, the results are yet to be determined, been saying that all along, but one thing we do know is the “oblivion” “total destruction” report was a lie

I'd call it an exaggeration. Presidents and politicians, along with even CEO's and sports casters tend to do that sort of thing.

 

[archives]

I could start with Benjamin Harrison who was in office just 30 days before dying and in that time did NOTHING as he was on his death bed. He's ranked 23rd on the tables reprinted in the link. That's absurd. He should be ranked "Not Observed." That is he shouldn't be ranked at all. He did nothing as President and wasn't in office long enough to be observed. What he did outside of office before being elected is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

Next, you look at the various rating methods and can see they are largely subjective (opinion) rather than empirical and objective.

Bottomline, historical rankings of presidents should be as objective and empirical as possible not a subjective popularity contest based on personal opinion.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even the most simplistic look at how the ratings are made shows I am 100% correct here.


"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor..." Obama

The Gulf of Tonkin incident LBJ

"I am not a crook!" Nixon

"The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base" Truman

"Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars" FDR

(Mexico) "has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil" Polk

So, as always, or nearly always, you are full of shit with your myopic view of history.

I'd call it an exaggeration. Presidents and politicians, along with even CEO's and sports casters tend to do that sort of thing.

As I told you before, Harrison served for four years, you mean William Henry Harrison, who if in the rankings is often either left off or judged at the very low end, he didn’t do anything but he also didn’t establish anything that latter led to disasters. And by the way, Garfield only last six months and Taylor only thirteen

They are subjective, nothing is objective, but done by individuals who are historians by trade, who have researched studied history, it is what they do for a living, and please, spare us the line all historians are far out leftists

 

[T. A. Gardner]

As I told you before, Harrison served for four years, you mean William Henry Harrison, who if in the rankings is often either left off or judged at the very low end, he didn’t do anything but he also didn’t establish anything that latter led to disasters. And by the way, Garfield only last six months and Taylor only thirteen

Trivial objection fallacy. Harrison shouldn't be rated at all. This is nothing to rate him on. Garfield and Taylor lasted long enough to establish a record. They can be rated on what they did.

They are subjective, nothing is objective, but done by individuals who are historians by trade, who have researched studied history, it is what they do for a living, and please, spare us the line all historians are far out leftists

Plenty of stuff is objective and measurable. GOOD historians work from facts and objective data not opinion and subjective nonsense.