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Former Vice President
And he would have been the guy who led the charge in cutting school lunches.
Motts analysis is laughable but predictable.
20 years after welfare reform
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And he would have been the guy who led the charge in cutting school lunches.
Motts analysis is laughable but predictable.
Yep.. W/ all his faults, as do we all, he was a much better man, person, compassionate etc than the don~hhhmmm well, eventhough that aint saying much..
The dictatorial don wouldn't even be able to get along w/ his own party..
cancel2 2022
Canceled
Hmm, he is not the only one that does that.
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Most excellent point........ Even in this I believe the horrible hillary would be a better bad choice than the apprentice.........
He most certainly is going to surround himself w/ yes men/women, they either agree w/ his great brain & Yyuueegg hands or they get fired..
Look @ his campaign to see a microcosm of what the regime leadership would resemble..
He is the kinda candidate one would expect from an old X-Soviet Bloc country back in the 90's.........
Mostly I liked how Kasich extended the nominating process and gave Trump so much more opportunity to make a fool of himself and show what he is. I'm not saying at all I despise the guy, I don't. But I'd never vote for him or any Republican as long as they reject providing a base level of support for all Americans. We're just too rich a country to leave it entirely up to the States. It would be great if they would all step up and do their own job themselves, but it's not acceptable that if they don't, the Federal government doesn't step in and make sure it gets done
Darth Omar
Russian asset
How do you know if that perception is true or not? Not every campaign shuffle is indicative of a wannabe dictator.
One thing that can be safely said of Trump is that he's a man who likes to take on projects---that's what builders do. You can't do what he's done without pretty good management skills. And at the level he's done it Trump probably has way better than average management skills. If you set out to build sky scrapers or etc and you suck at evaluating construct talent or surround yourself with people who tell you what you want to hear, well, Trump wouldn't be Trump if that were the case. He tends to boast too much, but on the other hand, he's earned the right to in some respects.
Also, the man is an apparent workaholic. The WH can use one of those lol. And Hillary makes Jeb! look like the Energizer Bunny.
cawacko
Well-known member
How's that working out right now?
A good argument for supporting Hillary. I would like a solid step forward with Bernie. If I'm not going to get that, maybe I should stop fighting taking a small step forward with Hillary instead of a solid step back with Trump
cawacko
Well-known member
Not the election. The federal government fighting the war on poverty.
Edit: But since you brought it up neither candidate has spoken about the poor and Hillary's husband signed welfare reform which many progressives despise so what's she going to do for the poor?
OK, I don't think that was clear at all in re-reading the post, but I see what you're saying now.
In the short run, we can't abandon helping the poor to satisfy an extremist ideology.
In the long run, we need to stop the partisan bickering and create a more effective plan to give the poor a road map out of poverty. The partisan fight is what prevents real progress.
As for Clinton and welfare reform, I think he had the right idea, but the wrong implementation. We need to give the poor more opportunity and jobs. The problem with the bill he signed is it was more stick than carrot. It punished those who didn't get off welfare, it didn't get off welfare.
Moving back into your parents house accomplishes nothing for society and it doesn't cure poverty even though it makes the numbers look better
Since 1965 great society legislation, how much have we spent on welfare? 14Trillion? And the poverty line hasn't moved. More people are dependent on food stamps and govt welfare than ever. It doesn't work. It was never designed to work.
It was designed so that democrats could create a permanent underclass, that is perpetually poor, and voting for them.
It was designed so that democrats could create a permanent underclass, that is perpetually poor, and voting for them.
It isn't just his campaign shuffle aka firings, I mean how is campaign is ran, by him, attacking ppl, saying the Khan's have no right to say this or that, attacking looks, family, you name it-IMHO that isn't just perception-that is just him.........
I never worked for him & he has some accomplishments but does that business acumen necessarily play on the belt way?? General Grant was a great general & a horrible president, & I think a president trumpf would have some of the same problems in addition to a open rebellion by his own party..
One other point on that, torture, he says he will order the military to do it... Several have said, no, we won't do it, but everyone knows there is always someone below that will jump @ the chance to move up in rank, but are likely less qualified, less experienced etc.. But they are willing to be a yes man, a trumpf man, not a constitution man or following international norms, agreements etc........
It seems to me that Republicans are keeping them the underclass by preventing helping them with anything but money. What they need is more education, which you keep only available to the middle class and up. I was only an OK student when I started my education. Got OK grades. I got motivated and carried it through to my PhD. Think of what a difference it would make to open that up to lower classes. And as for poverty, when you can't eat, that's what you focus on. And infrastructure not only benefits all Americans but provides jobs to the people who need it the most as well.
You need to move past the Republican rhetoric and deal with the real issues
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
If you think Republicans are depriving the underclass of education, you should tell all of the GOP mayors and councilmembers running our nation's major cities to do something.
How are they depriving the lower class of education exactly? Both parties say 'more funding to education.' This hasn't shown to do much of anything. Many urban public schools have completely failed. Even when they are given millions of dollars of tax money.
Also there is the problem of students not wanting to go or graduate. The school could be made of gold, that's not going to make an inner city kid quit his gang life and graduate. The problem is much more deep and fundamental.
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Because it's not just a city problem and there is no way cities can do that. It needs to be a national priority, not a local one. What you are saying is Republican for let's do nothing and justify it with nonsense
cawacko
Well-known member
You want the federal government to take over state and local education? That's crazy.
States and cities are in charge of education and we have a system that is stuck in the mid 20th century. It's amazing how much technology has changed our country but we fight it so hard in education. We fight to keep the status quo system instead of working to change it.
Since 1965
It was designed so that democrats could create a permanent underclass, that is perpetually poor, and voting for them.
THE BIG EVIL PLOT THICKENS IN A CAULDRON OF LIES, HALF TRUTHS & NAIVE MYTHS...
1. More Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Democrats
In the 1960s, Congress was divided on civil rights issues -- but not necessarily along party lines.
"Most people don't realize that today at all -- in proportional terms, a far higher percentage of Republicans voted for this bill than did Democrats, because of the way the Southerners were divided," said Purdum.
The division was geographic. The Guardian's Harry J. Enten broke down the vote, showing that more than 80% of Republicans in both houses voted in favor of the bill, compared with more than 60% of Democrats. When you account for geography, according to Enten's article, 90% of lawmakers from states that were in the Union during the Civil War supported the bill compared with less than 10% of lawmakers from states that were in the Confederacy.
Enten points out that Democrats still played a key role in getting the law passed.
"It was also Democrats who helped usher the bill through the House, Senate, and ultimately a Democratic president who signed it into law," Enten writes.
2. A fiscal conservative became an unsung hero in helping the Act pass
Ohio's Republican Rep. William McCulloch had a conservative track record -- he opposed foreign and federal education aid and supported gun rights and school prayer. His district (the same one now represented by House Speaker John Boehner) had a small African-American population. So he had little to gain politically by supporting the Civil Rights Act.
Yet he became a critical leader in getting the bill passed.
His ancestors opposed slavery even before the Civil War, and he'd made a deal with Kennedy to see the bill through to passage.
"The Constitution doesn't say that whites alone shall have our most basic rights, but that we all shall have them," McCulloch would say to fellow legislators.
Later, he would play a key role in the 1965 Voting Rights Act and the 1968 Fair Housing Act and become part of the Kerner Commission, appointed by the Johnson administration to investigate the 1967 race riots.
Kennedy's widow, Jacqueline Kennedy, wrote him an "emotional" letter when he retired from Congress in 1972.
"You made a personal commitment to President Kennedy in October 1963, against all interests of your district," she wrote. "There were so many opportunities to sabotage the bill, without appearing to do so, but you never took them. On the contrary, you brought everyone else along with you."
Why is it crazy?? I always find that odd considering that massive bureaucracies duplicated tens of thousands of times across the country. You know the school superintendents & their cozy staff bringing down the big bucks & laying off the teachers doing the work when times get tough etc etc etc
& then there is the good O' jim crow financing-pO' kids to pO' schools, rich kids to rich schools........