$1B Climate Change Denial Industry: Getting Rich Telling Lies: open discussion

Into the Night said:
But I do. Part of my business is to develop cooling systems for engines.

It is clear you simply want to simply deny the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the laws of thermodynamics.



You did. Have you already forgotten what you said, or you intentionally lying?
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Quote exactly where I said the Earth's radiance increases, which causes global warming.
 
Into the Night said:
I do not deny climate. There are is no such thing as a global climate, however. There is no such thing as a global weather.

The theories of science you are choosing to ignore is not stupidity.

There are no proofs in science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

CO2 does absorb infrared light. That is nothing more than the surface cooling itself heating the air, same as conductive heating does. That does not warm the Earth. CO2 is colder than the surface. It cannot in turn heat the surface. You can't heat a warmer object with a colder one.

No, you are simply ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Absorption of surface infrared by CO2 does not warm the Earth.

No, it was taught in schools that oil comes from fossils. It doesn't.

This is YOUR attempt.

It is YOU that is nitpicking here. Right here. In your post.
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You have made nothing but assertions which you attempt to disguise in the lexicon of science.
You have provided no links to credible atmospheric science organizations or publications to support your claims and assertions.
You have no training, no education, and no expertise in climate science. You do not have a single, solitary peer reviewed publication in any atmospheric science publication or journal. Your claims cannot be trusted and yet you refuse to provide any reputable links to actual published experts supporting your claims.

The fact that you deny that CO2 has greenhouse gas properties that can cause any planet to be warmer that it otherwise would be makes your credibility exactly zero - non existent. Human life would not exist on earth if not for the heat-trapping, and warming effects of greenhouse gasses.

I know you must crave the attention, but there is really nothing to discuss with a poster this deeply emotionally invested in Climate Denial.
 
Rune said:
Quote exactly where I said the Earth's radiance increases, which causes global warming.
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I doubt that you'll answer, as is your wont, however one lives in hope. So can you tell me which Representative Concentration Pathway (RCP) as defined in the ICCP AR5 report 2013, you consider the most likely? Also what value for the Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) do you consider to be both realistic and sensible? Lewis and Curry have defined a value of 1.66C, which seems eminently reasonable to me but then what do they know? If you could refrain from calling me a shitstain and exhorting me to lick your balls, that would be appreciated.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/04/new-lewis-curry-study-concludes-climate-sensitivity-is-low/
 
Havana Moon said:
I doubt that you'll answer, as is your wont, however one lives in hope. So can you tell me which Representative Concentration Pathway (RCP) as defined in the ICCP AR5 2013, you consider the most likely? Also what value for the Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) do you consider to be both realistic and sensible? Lewis and Curry have defined a value of 1.66C, which seems eminently reasonable to me but then what do they know? If you could refrain from calling me a shitstain and exhorting me to lick your balls, that would be appreciated.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/04/new-lewis-curry-study-concludes-climate-sensitivity-is-low/
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Right after you explain to your cohort the the Stefan Law;
assumes blackbody emissivity (which doesn't apply to the Earth and,
That the atmosphere is held in exception to the Stephan Law.
Deal?
 
Rune said:
Right after you explain to your cohort the the Stefan Law;
assumes blackbody emissivity (which doesn't apply to the Earth and,
That the atmosphere is held in exception to the Stephan Law.
Deal?
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I do not agree with him about the Stephan-Boltzmann Law and have told him so on several occasions. He also maintains that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is violated but that's not true either.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Stefan-Boltzmann_law
 
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Havana Moon said:
I do not agree with him about the Stephan-Boltzmann law and have told him so on several occasions. He also maintains that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is violated but that's not true either.
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Then why are you challenging me, if you agree with me?
General spite?
 
Rune said:
Again, why would you challenge me if we agree?
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Again, why won't you answer my questions? If they are too complicated for you then just say so, I'll attempt to educate you. It's difficult to know what you think as you' re not exactly the most logical person at the best of times.
 
Havana Moon said:
Again, why won't you answer my questions? If they are too complicated for you then just say so, I'll attempt to educate you. It's difficult to know what you think as you' re not exactly the most logical person at the best of times.
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Yep, he's headed for the hills as I predicted.
 
Rune said:
Quote exactly where I said the Earth's radiance increases, which causes global warming.
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You didn't. You said Earth's radiance decreases, causing global warming.

Rune said:
No additional energy is required, less escapes back into space.
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Apparently you can't keep track of your own statements.

It is clear you simply want to simply deny the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the laws of thermodynamics.
 
Cypress said:
You have made nothing but assertions which you attempt to disguise in the lexicon of science.
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The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law are not mere assertions. You simply want to discard them.
Cypress said:
You have provided no links to credible atmospheric science organizations or publications to support your claims and assertions.
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Don't need to. The theories speak for themselves.
You can find the 1st law of thermodynamics here.
You can find the 2nd law of thermodynamics here.
You can find the Stefan-Boltzmann law here.

You simply want to ignore these theories and equations.

Cypress said:
You have no training, no education, and no expertise in climate science.
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Climate isn't a science. Climate isn't quantifiable. There is no such thing as a global climate. Climate 'scientists' deny science and mathematics.
Cypress said:
You do not have a single, solitary peer reviewed publication in any atmospheric science publication or journal.
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Science does not use consensus. It is not a degree, license, university, or government agency. It uses no supporting evidence. Consensus is used only in politics and religion.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
Cypress said:
Your claims cannot be trusted
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Then you do not trust the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law. You deny science.
Cypress said:
and yet you refuse to provide any reputable links to actual published experts supporting your claims.
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Science isn't experts. It is a set of falsifiable theories. Ii have provided links to these theories in this post.
Cypress said:
The fact that you deny that CO2 has greenhouse gas properties that can cause any planet to be warmer
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Yes. That is a fact.
Cypress said:
that it otherwise would be makes your credibility exactly zero - non existent.
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Argument of the Stone fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.
Cypress said:
Human life would not exist on earth if not for the heat-trapping, and warming effects of greenhouse gasses.
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You cannot trap heat. You are still denying the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth or any other planet.
Cypress said:
I know you must crave the attention,
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Psychoquackery.
Cypress said:
but there is really nothing to discuss with a poster this deeply emotionally invested in Climate Denial.
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Thought terminating cliche fallacy.

You simply want to deny science.
 
Rune said:
Right after you explain to your cohort the the Stefan Law;
assumes blackbody emissivity (which doesn't apply to the Earth and,
That the atmosphere is held in exception to the Stephan Law.
Deal?
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WRONG. You are attempting to remove the emissivity constant from the equation. The Stefan-Boltzmann law applies to all bodies and all mass, including any atmosphere. You are now attempting to deny Kirchoff's law as well.
 
Havana Moon said:
I do not agree with him about the Stephan-Boltzmann Law and have told him so on several occasions. He also maintains that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is violated but that's not true either.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Stefan-Boltzmann_law
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You quote the equation, but you deny it??
The 'greenhouse effect' does violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You can't heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. Entropy cannot decrease in any system. It can only increase or stay the same. Heat can only flow from hot to cold.
 
Into the Night said:
You quote the equation, but you deny it??
The 'greenhouse effect' does violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You can't heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. Entropy cannot decrease in any system. It can only increase or stay the same. Heat can only flow from hot to cold.
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I have tried to explain this to you before, but you seem totally incapable of understanding.

http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-8-applying-the-stefan-boltzmann-law-to-earth/
 
Into the Night said:
WRONG. You are attempting to remove the emissivity constant from the equation. The Stefan-Boltzmann law applies to all bodies and all mass, including any atmosphere. You are now attempting to deny Kirchoff's law as well.
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I am so sorry but you are incorrect, as usual.
 
Havana Moon said:
Exceptionally erudite and informative article by Judith Curry, sadly very few on here will have the first clue regarding the content

https://judithcurry.com/2019/06/21/climate-sciences-masking-bias-problem/
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While this is a big problem in the science community, one must remember that science itself is not a community. It is not even people at all.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is just the theories themselves. It is not anything more. It is not anything less.
 
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