$100K to forgo college

cawacko

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Now I had a great time in college but I also realize we all take our own different paths. If you were one of the kids offered money would you take it to pursue your idea or go to school instead?

This was founded by a Libertarian leaning guy. I'll add a comment from a reader afterwards.


$100,000 to forgo college?


The Thiel Foundation today named the first winners of its controversial "20 Under 20" fellowship program, which hands young people $100,000 to pursue entrepreneurial ideas rather than a university education.

It's a limited program designed to showcase a bigger -- and for many, a troubling -- idea: That higher education is highly overvalued.

The Thiel Foundation, the libertarian group formed by Paypal co-founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel, argues that the costs of college increasingly outweigh the financial returns. They've dubbed it a "higher education bubble."

The broad aim of "20 under 20" is to produce more technological innovation, and in turn faster and more sustainable economic growth, said James O'Neill, head of the Thiel Foundation. We can best encourage that innovation by unleashing the creative and unsullied mind power of people under the age of 20, before lofty student loans and academic orthodoxy funnel them into safe and risk adverse careers, he said.

The 24 fellows named today range from 17- to 20-years olds. They will be given $100,000 cash grants to purse scientific or technological ideas over the next two years, and will also receive mentoring from industry experts.

The winners plan to pursue big ideas in areas like space exploration, clean energy, education, robotics and more.

Three live in the Bay Area, including 18-year-old John Burnham, who recently moved from Boston to Atherton. He hopes to use the fellowship to develop methods to extract valuable materials from near earth objects, an ability he said will be critical for successfully colonizing space.

"What I hope to accomplish is to continue to learn the science behind it, to develop some more practical hands-on experience with companies already doing space technology and then to start building (a usable machine)," he said.

When asked if he's worried that he'll miss out on any critical learning in this field -- or in general -- by forgoing college, he called it "a really amusing question."

"That speaks to the assumption that what happens in college is pure, unadulterated learning," he said. "A lot of colleges are not, in my opinion, ideal places to get that really applied, hands on learning that I feel is necessary for this project."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=89687&tsp=1


And here's how one person commented...


Libertarians are so cute. They are deeply anti-intellectual, and reject college because it requires several things Libertarians are bad at: careful, lengthy, in-depth analysis and critical thinking. But more than anything, they fear the most mundane of classes at a typical college: history. Libertarians hate going to college and learning about parts of American history, like the Great Depression, that prove them wrong. As libs are overwhelmingly white males, they also don't like anythign that teaches students about other cultures, or cultural histories. And that's why libbies are often on the forefront of these sorts of anti-intellectual movements. I guess I have one question for these guys: if college isn't necessary, why is it necessary to give these kids 100k ? Shouldn't succeed in the free market without a socialist subsidy?
 
Now I had a great time in college but I also realize we all take our own different paths. If you were one of the kids offered money would you take it to pursue your idea or go to school instead?

This was founded by a Libertarian leaning guy. I'll add a comment from a reader afterwards.


$100,000 to forgo college?


The Thiel Foundation today named the first winners of its controversial "20 Under 20" fellowship program, which hands young people $100,000 to pursue entrepreneurial ideas rather than a university education.

It's a limited program designed to showcase a bigger -- and for many, a troubling -- idea: That higher education is highly overvalued.

The Thiel Foundation, the libertarian group formed by Paypal co-founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel, argues that the costs of college increasingly outweigh the financial returns. They've dubbed it a "higher education bubble."

The broad aim of "20 under 20" is to produce more technological innovation, and in turn faster and more sustainable economic growth, said James O'Neill, head of the Thiel Foundation. We can best encourage that innovation by unleashing the creative and unsullied mind power of people under the age of 20, before lofty student loans and academic orthodoxy funnel them into safe and risk adverse careers, he said.

The 24 fellows named today range from 17- to 20-years olds. They will be given $100,000 cash grants to purse scientific or technological ideas over the next two years, and will also receive mentoring from industry experts.

The winners plan to pursue big ideas in areas like space exploration, clean energy, education, robotics and more.

Three live in the Bay Area, including 18-year-old John Burnham, who recently moved from Boston to Atherton. He hopes to use the fellowship to develop methods to extract valuable materials from near earth objects, an ability he said will be critical for successfully colonizing space.

"What I hope to accomplish is to continue to learn the science behind it, to develop some more practical hands-on experience with companies already doing space technology and then to start building (a usable machine)," he said.

When asked if he's worried that he'll miss out on any critical learning in this field -- or in general -- by forgoing college, he called it "a really amusing question."

"That speaks to the assumption that what happens in college is pure, unadulterated learning," he said. "A lot of colleges are not, in my opinion, ideal places to get that really applied, hands on learning that I feel is necessary for this project."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=89687&tsp=1


And here's how one person commented...


Libertarians are so cute. They are deeply anti-intellectual, and reject college because it requires several things Libertarians are bad at: careful, lengthy, in-depth analysis and critical thinking. But more than anything, they fear the most mundane of classes at a typical college: history. Libertarians hate going to college and learning about parts of American history, like the Great Depression, that prove them wrong. As libs are overwhelmingly white males, they also don't like anythign that teaches students about other cultures, or cultural histories. And that's why libbies are often on the forefront of these sorts of anti-intellectual movements. I guess I have one question for these guys: if college isn't necessary, why is it necessary to give these kids 100k ? Shouldn't succeed in the free market without a socialist subsidy?

Anti-intellectuals libertarians and right wingers just miss the boat about college. At least an undergraduate liberal arts education. It's about becoming a well rounded person and learning how to learn. It's not about gaining a particular marketable skill set. Because I have learned how to learn I can make a good living in a variety of ways as I can learn new skill sets and update the ones that I currently have. Particularly since I was groomed in the sciences which are particularly demanding to learn I can learn new skill sets in areas with high demand that those who lack the intellectual intestinal fortitude don't have the ability to learn.

My sentiment about them is, I'm glad they feel as they do. It means a bigger market and more opportunities for people like me! :)
 
Should we prevent athletes from leaving school early? Should we not allow people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerburg to drop out early and start their own companies?

Now I'm assuming these 20 kids who accept this money/challenge are pretty freaking bright. I'm going to assume that if this doesn't work out they can go back to school in a year or two. Does one learn more by reading a textbook and sitting in a classroom or being trained by leaders of industry? I would argue that answer is different for each person.
 
Don't you mean fap, fap, fap?




Do you dream of a board that allows weak-ass debaters like the Cawack-off to post BS without getting called on it?




This ain't it.

You're retarded, Cawacko posted an article for discussion, which he often does. Did you fail to notice that he ended the post with a comment from a poster on the SF Chronicle site? The poster was a moron, who doesn't understand the concept of private commercial start-up loans, but that's beside the point...
 
You're retarded, Cawacko posted an article for discussion, which he often does. Did you fail to notice that he ended the post with a comment from a poster on the SF Chronicle site? The poster was a moron, who doesn't understand the concept of private commercial start-up loans, but that's beside the point...

Thank you. I have the trolls on IA so I don't see what they are writing.

As for that woman's comment I posted you stated what I was thinking as well.
 
Now I had a great time in college but I also realize we all take our own different paths. If you were one of the kids offered money would you take it to pursue your idea or go to school instead?

This was founded by a Libertarian leaning guy. I'll add a comment from a reader afterwards.


$100,000 to forgo college?


The Thiel Foundation today named the first winners of its controversial "20 Under 20" fellowship program, which hands young people $100,000 to pursue entrepreneurial ideas rather than a university education.

It's a limited program designed to showcase a bigger -- and for many, a troubling -- idea: That higher education is highly overvalued.

The Thiel Foundation, the libertarian group formed by Paypal co-founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel, argues that the costs of college increasingly outweigh the financial returns. They've dubbed it a "higher education bubble."

The broad aim of "20 under 20" is to produce more technological innovation, and in turn faster and more sustainable economic growth, said James O'Neill, head of the Thiel Foundation. We can best encourage that innovation by unleashing the creative and unsullied mind power of people under the age of 20, before lofty student loans and academic orthodoxy funnel them into safe and risk adverse careers, he said.

The 24 fellows named today range from 17- to 20-years olds. They will be given $100,000 cash grants to purse scientific or technological ideas over the next two years, and will also receive mentoring from industry experts.

The winners plan to pursue big ideas in areas like space exploration, clean energy, education, robotics and more.

Three live in the Bay Area, including 18-year-old John Burnham, who recently moved from Boston to Atherton. He hopes to use the fellowship to develop methods to extract valuable materials from near earth objects, an ability he said will be critical for successfully colonizing space.

"What I hope to accomplish is to continue to learn the science behind it, to develop some more practical hands-on experience with companies already doing space technology and then to start building (a usable machine)," he said.

When asked if he's worried that he'll miss out on any critical learning in this field -- or in general -- by forgoing college, he called it "a really amusing question."

"That speaks to the assumption that what happens in college is pure, unadulterated learning," he said. "A lot of colleges are not, in my opinion, ideal places to get that really applied, hands on learning that I feel is necessary for this project."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=89687&tsp=1


And here's how one person commented...


Libertarians are so cute. They are deeply anti-intellectual, and reject college because it requires several things Libertarians are bad at: careful, lengthy, in-depth analysis and critical thinking. But more than anything, they fear the most mundane of classes at a typical college: history. Libertarians hate going to college and learning about parts of American history, like the Great Depression, that prove them wrong. As libs are overwhelmingly white males, they also don't like anythign that teaches students about other cultures, or cultural histories. And that's why libbies are often on the forefront of these sorts of anti-intellectual movements. I guess I have one question for these guys: if college isn't necessary, why is it necessary to give these kids 100k ? Shouldn't succeed in the free market without a socialist subsidy?

100K to forgo college for two years with the chance to create something of potential significant magnitude. awesome.

great article cawacko. and the commenter is indeed a moron. this has zero to do with socialism. but it must hurt to know that corp's aren't all evil.
 
I think its an interesting idea. As for the "shouldn't free market succeed without bribes", I am willing to be most of us received tens of thousands of dollars in grants, scholarships or loans to go to college. So the money spent isn't an issue except that the $100k is not from taxpayers.

I think there should options to college. At this point most people see it as either you go to college and succeed or you don't and you fail. There are plenty of examples of college educated failures and successes who never went to college.

There are plenty of places in our society for people with specific trade skills.

I think it bears discussuing without condescending attitudes.
 
I think its an interesting idea. As for the "shouldn't free market succeed without bribes", I am willing to be most of us received tens of thousands of dollars in grants, scholarships or loans to go to college. So the money spent isn't an issue except that the $100k is not from taxpayers.

I think there should options to college. At this point most people see it as either you go to college and succeed or you don't and you fail. There are plenty of examples of college educated failures and successes who never went to college.

There are plenty of places in our society for people with specific trade skills.

I think it bears discussuing without condescending attitudes.

it is only for two years....peace corp is two years i believe...i took a year off during college and did volunteer work overseas....i think this is a great opportunity to get real world experience before college.
 
I think its an interesting idea. As for the "shouldn't free market succeed without bribes", I am willing to be most of us received tens of thousands of dollars in grants, scholarships or loans to go to college. So the money spent isn't an issue except that the $100k is not from taxpayers.

I think there should options to college. At this point most people see it as either you go to college and succeed or you don't and you fail. There are plenty of examples of college educated failures and successes who never went to college.

There are plenty of places in our society for people with specific trade skills.

I think it bears discussuing without condescending attitudes.

WB, this woman who wrote that comment I'm assuming is from the Bay Area and thus ought to be familiar with the world's leading venture capital firms in our back yard. In a free market people are allowed to invest in others ideas if they so desire and there is a need for their money.
 
No, WinterBorn, we cannot avoid the shit, because there are some fucking assholes on this board. In this case, Legion Fag and Dune.

Legion Fag, Cawacko brought up college athletes, because some people are opposed to seniors joining the draft for pro-sports and not finishing their final year. That's an issue for the Jake Locker's of the world, who consider doing just that (Locker might have, but his team sucked Junior year, reflecting badly upon his NFL prospects).
 
No, WinterBorn, we cannot avoid the shit, because there are some fucking assholes on this board. In this case, Legion Fag and Dune.

Legion Fag, Cawacko brought up college athletes, because some people are opposed to seniors joining the draft for pro-sports and not finishing their final year. That's an issue for the Jake Locker's of the world, who consider doing just that (Locker might have, but his team sucked Junior year, reflecting badly upon his NFL prospects).

IA is a beautiful thing. You are correct Three and I was also thinking about college basketball. Last decade they change the rules to where kids could go straight to the NBA out of high school. A couple of years ago they changed the rules to where you had to be either 19 or one year graduated from high school (I believe). A lot of pundits argued these kids have a skill and they shouldn't be forced to go to college, they should be able to go out and make a living. It's really not that different than what is going on in this article.
 
This would be a great option for many people, just as college is a decent option for many. These guys aren't saying that college is worthless, just that the rate of return has become less than the money you spend for the education. People who agree and have the will can apply for these private grants (or are they loans?), I don't see how this has anything to do with socialism (an answer to the foolish post that cawacko provided).

(BTW - I tried to move the posts that were solely about trolls or trolling to another thread in the War Zone. If you want to continue the discussion about trolling go there.)
 
Supply and demand. St a must not have finished.
Used to be a degree netted you 2.5 mm more in a career. Likely still so.
 
WB, this woman who wrote that comment I'm assuming is from the Bay Area and thus ought to be familiar with the world's leading venture capital firms in our back yard. In a free market people are allowed to invest in others ideas if they so desire and there is a need for their money.

Point her to the Clean Tech Open. It began in CA. It is now up an running competitions in numerous regions in the country (Rocky Mountain was the first region to be added). It mixes the environmental movement with entrepreneurial competition. The CA VC's as well as other major firms help sponsor the competition to do essentially what this article talks about.... provide people with great ideas the training (creating a business plan, provided mentors) and then providing access to the VC world through the competition. CA has been very successful at this. The only difference is it is not a 'do this vs. college' thing.... but I like the concept. There are a lot of people out there with some great ideas who simply don't know how to effectively implement them. Which is why the vast majority of small businesses fail.
 
Supply and demand. St a must not have finished.
Used to be a degree netted you 2.5 mm more in a career. Likely still so.

It netted you more on average. It is not a guarantee.

And the world needs options for career paths. Being an accountant or a lawyer is great. But if we fill the world with accountants, who builds houses, fixes plumbing, or a host of other valuable jobs that do not require college degrees.

I think we should have programs that encourage other paths.
 
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