Q.what actionable intel?
A. what was used to start the investigation
Q.and what was that exactly?
A. actionable intel
10 Key Takeaways From The New York Times’ Error-Ridden Defense Of FBI Spying
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A. what was used to start the investigation
Q.and what was that exactly?
A. actionable intel
MI6 noted an usual amount of Trump's campaign meeting with Russians.
They informed the US and were verified by numerous other countries.
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True! British GCHQ was monitoring the communications of Russian agents when - what a surprise! - Trump campaign associates showed up having "suspicious communications" with these Russian agents. Well, GCHQ informed the Americans.
This went on for over six months, until eventually the FBI started an investigation. I expect they had nothing better to do, eh? Read all about it here:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
There is no mention in the NY Times of phone taps. This is what it says:
"The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena."
That, together with informants, is not "extraordinary" in counter-intelligence operations, it's downright effing ordinary.
Finally, also in the NY Times article, I think you must have overlooked this:
"Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, said that after studying the investigation as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he saw no evidence of political motivation in the opening of the investigation ... Mr. Rubio, who has reviewed many of the texts and case files, said he saw no signs that the F.B.I. wanted to undermine Mr. Trump."
That qualifies him right there as Florida Swampy Rubio. He was probably in on the conspiracy, lol.
Darth Omar
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True! British GCHQ was monitoring the communications of Russian agents when - what a surprise! - Trump campaign associates showed up having "suspicious communications" with these Russian agents. Well, GCHQ informed the Americans.
This went on for over six months, until eventually the FBI started an investigation. I expect they had nothing better to do, eh? Read all about it here:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
There is no mention in the NY Times of phone taps. This is what it says:
"The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena."
That, together with informants, is not "extraordinary" in counter-intelligence operations, it's downright effing ordinary.
Finally, also in the NY Times article, I think you must have overlooked this:
"Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, said that after studying the investigation as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he saw no evidence of political motivation in the opening of the investigation ... Mr. Rubio, who has reviewed many of the texts and case files, said he saw no signs that the F.B.I. wanted to undermine Mr. Trump."
That qualifies him right there as Florida Swampy Rubio. He was probably in on the conspiracy, lol.
So, beyond ‘talking to Russians’ lol, what actual evidence did they base the opening of the investigation on?
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Read the article, it's quite short:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
noise is getting p'd off with me because I keep bringing it up, but he never addresses it. Will you?
Either it's a pack of lies that British intel leaked for some reason last year, or the FBI had ample reason - a duty, in fact - to start an investigation.
I don't know if there was collusion - I'm 50/50 on that, or even 60/40 against. But I'm fairly sure the FBI didn't start the investigation just because they dislike Trump. That's what he and his helpers want us to think.
it's been refuted. The foreign intel agencies did not work with Brennan.
I'll try to find you a link -I heard it in passing today.
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But it's time for you -(whom i consider a smart guy) to start looking at the FBI as not a sacred cow.
The entire cabal had it out for Trump
Also the depth of hatred you still see from Brennan towards Trump should not be ignored..
as Shumer warned
yes on the phone taps.I thought I went back and corrected.
No on the extraordinary. that is a full fledged espionage investigation on AMERICANS -which indeed is "extraordinary"..where is any evidence of espionage that started this ( talking to Russians is ordinary)
( suspicious conversations? what exactly?)
Rubio is an asshat who completely despises Trump. He's a Russiaphobic to the nth degree.
He's as bad as Mccain with his Russiaphobia - connect the dots
Darth Omar
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I read it, and it’s still ‘talking to Russians’. Where is the smoking gun?
The FBI has some pre-election credibility issues to deal with—and they have been looked at by the IG. The report is out and will be available to the public in a few weeks. The obvious question is why they treated the Hillary investigation differently than the Trump investigation.
That should be answered soon.
Another thing about ‘Russian agents’. If you happen to be a national level politician or connected to a campaign, about anyone worth talking to in Russia can be described as a ‘Russian agent’ because Russia is an oligarchy. I doubt there’s a single powerful person who isn’t attached—or has to answer to the Kremlin anywhere to be found in Russia.
In other words, it all could have been a pretext to spy on Trump or his campaign. Given they STILL don’t have evidence of collusion makes that a fairly safe bet.
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Please do! I need to know WTH you're talking about. Not even British intel passed information to the CIA?
like I said I heard it in passing..i'll keep an eye out for it.
i think your referring to the five I's thing or something like that. Like there are 5 white countries that share info with each other and the info wasnt gotten from that network.
Darth Omar
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you didnt recieve your daily breifing? Vlad tells you what to think comrade. He is more flexible now after the election.
Stefan Halper and the origins of the FBI counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ence_investigation_of_the_trump_campaign.html
worth your time -compelling case made
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ence_investigation_of_the_trump_campaign.html
worth your time -compelling case made
Darth Omar
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Vlad has me posting from Siberia, comrade, and it’s still Winter here.
If my next assignment isn’t in Havana I’m going to work for Bernie.
Nunes said the committee still has not seen any "credible evidence or intelligence" explaining why the FBI opened its investigation into Trump-Russia coordination.
"I think if the campaign was somehow set up, I think that would be a problem," Nunes said. "Right? If there were somehow meetings that occurred, and all of this was a setup. We have yet to see any credible evidence or intelligence that led to the opening of this investigation."
Asked if Donald Trump was "framed," Nunes said, "Well, first of all, I believe they never should have opened a counter-intelligence investigation into a political party. Counter-intelligence investigations are-- very rarely do they happen, and when they do happen, you have to be very careful because you're using the tools of our intelligence services and relationships with other countries in order to spy on a political campaign -- probably not a good idea."
Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS -- the firm hired by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign to produce a "dossier" on Trump -- told the House Judiciary Committee last year that there was a "human source" inside the Trump campaign.
Simpson said the same thing in a New York Times op-ed, writing in January: "We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp."
"We believe he (Simpson) was telling the truth," Nunes said. "And what we are trying to do is get the documents to figure out did they actually have-- What methods were used to open this counter-intelligence investigation...And that's what we are trying to get to the bottom of. We are trying to put clarity and sunlight for the American people so they know everything that happened on how this investigation began."
Nunes noted that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, could "clean this mess up" without divulging sources or methods.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...ave-opened-counter-intelligence-investigation
"I think if the campaign was somehow set up, I think that would be a problem," Nunes said. "Right? If there were somehow meetings that occurred, and all of this was a setup. We have yet to see any credible evidence or intelligence that led to the opening of this investigation."
Asked if Donald Trump was "framed," Nunes said, "Well, first of all, I believe they never should have opened a counter-intelligence investigation into a political party. Counter-intelligence investigations are-- very rarely do they happen, and when they do happen, you have to be very careful because you're using the tools of our intelligence services and relationships with other countries in order to spy on a political campaign -- probably not a good idea."
Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS -- the firm hired by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign to produce a "dossier" on Trump -- told the House Judiciary Committee last year that there was a "human source" inside the Trump campaign.
Simpson said the same thing in a New York Times op-ed, writing in January: "We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp."
"We believe he (Simpson) was telling the truth," Nunes said. "And what we are trying to do is get the documents to figure out did they actually have-- What methods were used to open this counter-intelligence investigation...And that's what we are trying to get to the bottom of. We are trying to put clarity and sunlight for the American people so they know everything that happened on how this investigation began."
Nunes noted that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, could "clean this mess up" without divulging sources or methods.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...ave-opened-counter-intelligence-investigation
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The British arm of the Five Eyes is, of course, GCHQ.
"GCHQ’s then head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. The matter was deemed so sensitive it was handled at 'director level'. After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation."
But this never happened, you say - it's been refuted?
Darth Omar
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Brennen is a pretty sketchy character.
Was it his opinion that the material was ‘important and sensitive’? And if so, can we see it, finally.