10 Key Takeaways From The New York Times’ Error-Ridden Defense Of FBI Spying

The real irony is that essentially the NYT article vindicates Trump and confirms all the reports against Clinton, Mueller, the FBI, spying, tapping, phony dossier and no evidence of a crime. And, yet the libs in here are ignoring one of their favorite sources of news (NYT) and STILL obsessively pursuing their "personal" investigations, biases and allegations............based on NOTHING. There's no crime. There's no collusion. It's all over but the indictments, which are coming with the IG report. Brennan, Clapper, Rogers, Comey, others are taking cover as we speak.

Exactly.

Mullet gets all the media attention because the media has picked a side. But IG Horowitz is working with a federal prosecutor and as the liberals never tire of reminding us—federal prosecutors live to hand out indictments.
 
The real irony is that essentially the NYT article vindicates Trump and confirms all the reports against Clinton, Mueller, the FBI, spying, tapping, phony dossier and no evidence of a crime. And, yet the libs in here are ignoring one of their favorite sources of news (NYT) and STILL obsessively pursuing their "personal" investigations, biases and allegations............based on NOTHING. There's no crime. There's no collusion. It's all over but the indictments, which are coming with the IG report. Brennan, Clapper, Rogers, Comey, others are taking cover as we speak.

You are so fucking stupid
 
No you fucking retard.
Two year investigation but only one year unrestricted.
Obviously it isn't long enough yet or the dirty would be behind bars.

But Trump isn’t a target in a criminal investigation lol.

Is there ANYTHING that could dampen you optimism?
 
unbelievable..so ALL Russian business is suspect?You sound like the FBI/Mueller. sorry. except for the bastard SC - investigations have limitations.

In fact ( and especially before sanctions) there are/were many business ties -commensurate with the size of the Russian economy ( about 1/7 the size of china's)

Everything Russian I have seen around here is mob, I have no reason to believe anything​ legit exists.
 
Nope, all of that falls under a criminal investigation. Anything else, and it’s spying.

When was Trump ever the subject of a criminal investigation?

Exactly. The Mullet's being skinned, gutted and coated with corn meal with and Horowitz is putting the skillet on the fire. There's no crime...never been one. The 7th floor and the media are being hoisted on their own petard. Hope the libs like a good fish fry.
 
Exactly. The Mullet's being skinned, gutted and coated with corn meal with and Horowitz is putting the skillet on the fire. There's no crime...never been one. The 7th floor and the media are being hoisted on their own petard. Hope the libs like a good fish fry.

In your dreams retard bitch
 
Nope, all of that falls under a criminal investigation. Anything else, and it’s spying.

When was Trump ever the subject of a criminal investigation?
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!! and you beat me too it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/crossfire-hurricane-new-york-times-report-buries-lede/

the Trump FBI case is a counterintelligence investigation. Unlike criminal cases, counterintelligence matters are classified. If agents had made public disclosures about them, they would have been committing crimes and violating solemn agreements with foreign intelligence services — agreements without which those services would not share information that U.S. national-security officials need in order to protect our country.

In the scheme of things, though, the problem is not that the FBI honored its confidentiality obligations in the Trump case while violating them in the Clinton case. The scandal is that the FBI, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify opening a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign, decided to open a counterintelligence investigation. With the blessing of the Obama White House, they took the powers that enable our government to spy on foreign adversaries and used them to spy on Americans — Americans who just happened to be their political adversaries.

The Times averts its eyes from this point — although if a Republican administration tried this sort of thing on a Democratic candidate, it would be the only point.

Like the Justice Department and the FBI, the paper is banking on Russia to muddy the waters.
Obviously, Russia was trying to meddle in the election, mainly through cyber-espionage — hacking.
There would, then, have been nothing inappropriate about the FBI’s opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia. Indeed, it would have been irresponsible not to do so. That’s what counterintelligence powers are for.

But opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia is not the same thing as opening up a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign.

The media-Democrat complex has tried from the start to conflate these two things. That explains the desperation to convince the public that Putin wanted Trump to win. It explains the stress on contacts, no matter how slight, between Trump campaign figures and Russians. They are trying to fill a gaping void they hope you don’t notice: Even if Putin did want Trump to win, and even if Trump-campaign advisers did have contacts with Kremlin-tied figures, there is no evidence of participation by the Trump campaign in Russia’s espionage.

At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign.

That is the proof that would have been needed to justify investigating Americans.

Under federal law, to establish that an American is acting as an agent of a foreign power, the government must show that the American is purposefully engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, and that it is probable that these activities violate federal criminal law. (See FISA, Title 50, U.S. Code, Section 1801(b)(2), further explained in the last six paragraphs of my Dec. 17 column.)

But of course, if the FBI had had that kind of evidence, they would not have had to open a counterintelligence investigation. They would not have had to use the Clinton campaign’s opposition research — the Steele dossier — to get FISA-court warrants. They would instead have opened a criminal investigation, just as they did on Clinton when there was evidence that she committed felonies.


To the contrary, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation in the absence of any (a) incriminating evidence, or (b) evidence implicating the Trump campaign in Russian espionage. At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign. They used foreign-intelligence surveillance and informants.

That’s your crossfire hurricane.
 
Everything Russian I have seen around here is mob, I have no reason to believe anything​ legit exists.
right. you just go up and ask them if they are mob. they said the same things about Italians when I was younger
This is your stupidest post yet.
 
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!! and you beat me too it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/crossfire-hurricane-new-york-times-report-buries-lede/

the Trump FBI case is a counterintelligence investigation. Unlike criminal cases, counterintelligence matters are classified. If agents had made public disclosures about them, they would have been committing crimes and violating solemn agreements with foreign intelligence services — agreements without which those services would not share information that U.S. national-security officials need in order to protect our country.

In the scheme of things, though, the problem is not that the FBI honored its confidentiality obligations in the Trump case while violating them in the Clinton case. The scandal is that the FBI, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify opening a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign, decided to open a counterintelligence investigation. With the blessing of the Obama White House, they took the powers that enable our government to spy on foreign adversaries and used them to spy on Americans — Americans who just happened to be their political adversaries.

The Times averts its eyes from this point — although if a Republican administration tried this sort of thing on a Democratic candidate, it would be the only point.

Like the Justice Department and the FBI, the paper is banking on Russia to muddy the waters.
Obviously, Russia was trying to meddle in the election, mainly through cyber-espionage — hacking.
There would, then, have been nothing inappropriate about the FBI’s opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia. Indeed, it would have been irresponsible not to do so. That’s what counterintelligence powers are for.

But opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia is not the same thing as opening up a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign.

The media-Democrat complex has tried from the start to conflate these two things. That explains the desperation to convince the public that Putin wanted Trump to win. It explains the stress on contacts, no matter how slight, between Trump campaign figures and Russians. They are trying to fill a gaping void they hope you don’t notice: Even if Putin did want Trump to win, and even if Trump-campaign advisers did have contacts with Kremlin-tied figures, there is no evidence of participation by the Trump campaign in Russia’s espionage.

At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign.

That is the proof that would have been needed to justify investigating Americans.

Under federal law, to establish that an American is acting as an agent of a foreign power, the government must show that the American is purposefully engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, and that it is probable that these activities violate federal criminal law. (See FISA, Title 50, U.S. Code, Section 1801(b)(2), further explained in the last six paragraphs of my Dec. 17 column.)

But of course, if the FBI had had that kind of evidence, they would not have had to open a counterintelligence investigation. They would not have had to use the Clinton campaign’s opposition research — the Steele dossier — to get FISA-court warrants. They would instead have opened a criminal investigation, just as they did on Clinton when there was evidence that she committed felonies.


To the contrary, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation in the absence of any (a) incriminating evidence, or (b) evidence implicating the Trump campaign in Russian espionage. At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign. They used foreign-intelligence surveillance and informants.

That’s your crossfire hurricane.

LMFAO

Oh what a tangled web we weave/ when first we practice to deceive.

The behavior of Trump's campaign was so unusual that it was brought to the attention of our intelligence agencies by multiple foreign agencies.
There is no 4th amendment violation. There was lots of actionable Intel.

Your faux outrage is noted.
 
right. you just go up and ask them if they are mob. they said the same things about Italians when I was younger
This is your stupidest post yet.

Forgot to mention, you make so many stupid posts that there is no point trying to figure which are dumbest.
Pretty much everything you say is retarded.
 
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!! and you beat me too it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/crossfire-hurricane-new-york-times-report-buries-lede/

the Trump FBI case is a counterintelligence investigation. Unlike criminal cases, counterintelligence matters are classified. If agents had made public disclosures about them, they would have been committing crimes and violating solemn agreements with foreign intelligence services — agreements without which those services would not share information that U.S. national-security officials need in order to protect our country.

In the scheme of things, though, the problem is not that the FBI honored its confidentiality obligations in the Trump case while violating them in the Clinton case. The scandal is that the FBI, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify opening a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign, decided to open a counterintelligence investigation. With the blessing of the Obama White House, they took the powers that enable our government to spy on foreign adversaries and used them to spy on Americans — Americans who just happened to be their political adversaries.

The Times averts its eyes from this point — although if a Republican administration tried this sort of thing on a Democratic candidate, it would be the only point.

Like the Justice Department and the FBI, the paper is banking on Russia to muddy the waters.
Obviously, Russia was trying to meddle in the election, mainly through cyber-espionage — hacking.
There would, then, have been nothing inappropriate about the FBI’s opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia. Indeed, it would have been irresponsible not to do so. That’s what counterintelligence powers are for.

But opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia is not the same thing as opening up a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign.

The media-Democrat complex has tried from the start to conflate these two things. That explains the desperation to convince the public that Putin wanted Trump to win. It explains the stress on contacts, no matter how slight, between Trump campaign figures and Russians. They are trying to fill a gaping void they hope you don’t notice: Even if Putin did want Trump to win, and even if Trump-campaign advisers did have contacts with Kremlin-tied figures, there is no evidence of participation by the Trump campaign in Russia’s espionage.

At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign.

That is the proof that would have been needed to justify investigating Americans.

Under federal law, to establish that an American is acting as an agent of a foreign power, the government must show that the American is purposefully engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, and that it is probable that these activities violate federal criminal law. (See FISA, Title 50, U.S. Code, Section 1801(b)(2), further explained in the last six paragraphs of my Dec. 17 column.)

But of course, if the FBI had had that kind of evidence, they would not have had to open a counterintelligence investigation. They would not have had to use the Clinton campaign’s opposition research — the Steele dossier — to get FISA-court warrants. They would instead have opened a criminal investigation, just as they did on Clinton when there was evidence that she committed felonies.


To the contrary, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation in the absence of any (a) incriminating evidence, or (b) evidence implicating the Trump campaign in Russian espionage. At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign. They used foreign-intelligence surveillance and informants.

That’s your crossfire hurricane.

Yup and Jumpin "John" Flash is in the eye right now. LOL :laugh:
 
LMFAO

Oh what a tangled web we weave/ when first we practice to deceive.

The behavior of Trump's campaign was so unusual that it was brought to the attention of our intelligence agencies by multiple foreign agencies.
There is no 4th amendment violation. There was lots of actionable Intel.

Your faux outrage is noted.

Actionable intelligence? Actionable for what?

Apparently not for a criminal investigation or Trump would have been under criminal investigation—like Hillary was.

So, they were using counterintelligence ops as a means to spy on Trump and/or his campaign? That sets an interesting new standard for partisan politics.
 
The 7th floor believed they were (and probably still believe they are) their own arm of the government, accountable to no one. In fact however they are accountable to the Constitutional Republic of the People and to Congress. In a sense they went rogue (with Obama's blessing) almost coup-like, something akin to a mutiny on a ship. Only in this case they had the backing of the Prez at the time. The proof? NONE of this would have seen the light of day if the Hillbag had won. The swamp would have been happy just staying the destructive course they've been on for years.
MAGA :usflag:
 
Actionable intelligence? Actionable for what?

Apparently not for a criminal investigation or Trump would have been under criminal investigation—like Hillary was.

So, they were using counterintelligence ops as a means to spy on Trump and/or his campaign? That sets an interesting new standard for partisan politics.

Enough to start an investigation which they did.
 
LMFAO

Oh what a tangled web we weave/ when first we practice to deceive.

The behavior of Trump's campaign was so unusual that it was brought to the attention of our intelligence agencies by multiple foreign agencies.
There is no 4th amendment violation. There was lots of actionable Intel.

Your faux outrage is noted.
bullshit. what "actionable intelligence?"
simple contacts with Russians are not "actionable intel"- else anyone doing business with Russians would be investigated
 
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