10 Key Takeaways From The New York Times’ Error-Ridden Defense Of FBI Spying

I don't disagree at all with the fact that the Trump campaign's characters were under surveillance; they were properly so. Your (group your) outrage about it, though, is hysterically funny. If Obama or Clinton's workers had been flying to Russia, having secret and not-so-secret meetings with Russians (or any other foreign nationals), and chatting via insecure phones with Russians, you guys would be calling them traitors and setting up the gallows for some hangings. But since the Russians connived and Trump got selected, you're now all butthurt that this is being revealed.

You (group you) are traitors to the United States.
Flying to Russia for an awards dinner ( RT) is enough to start an investigation? the FBI isn't Stasi .
and these were extraordinary steps -FISA warrants/informant(s) eavesdropping / digital investigations.

There was no underlying evidence of a crime - just like Mueller it was a fishing expedition.

No. Last time I looked- talking to Russians isn't a basis at all for an intrusive investigation
 
Flying to Russia for an awards dinner ( RT) is enough to start an investigation? the FBI isn't Stasi .
and these were extraordinary steps -FISA warrants/informant(s) eavesdropping / digital investigations.

There was no underlying evidence of a crime - just like Mueller it was a fishing expedition.

No. Last time I looked- talking to Russians isn't a basis at all for an intrusive investigation

You sure listen to Hannity a lot.
 
One would think that if there was anything incriminating Mueller would have it by now and could wrap this thing up. And don't give me this "he wants to be thorough" bullshit. Trust me, if they had Capone on a murder charge, they aren't going to wait three years trying to investigate every single thing. They are going to roll him up.

It took Mueller longer than this to bring down Gotti.


This is why you see the left running to Stormy. But, they have great risk in doing that.

The Stormy Stuff is a nice addition to it, but is not the focus of Mueller's probe. It is the focus of the SDNY prosecutor though. Mueller and the SDNY office are boxing Trump in. It's working too, look how unhinged Guiliani has been since the Cohen raid.
 
first off talking to Russians should not start an investigation unless there was some underlying evidence

There is underlying evidence; Papadopolous' plea deal. He pled guilty to lying to the FBI about...wait for it...contact with Russia. We only found out about it because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
 
there was some collusion/ talking to Russians is not evidence of a crime

Trump said, multiple times, that neither he nor anyone on his campaign had contact with Russia. So he lied. He did have contact with Russia. So why did he say he didn't? What would be the reason Trump would go on TV and say to the camera that no one on his team "had any contact with Russia"?
 
Because he was Secretary of State.




Trump said "no one on [his] team has ever had contact with Russia". He said that several times. So that was a lie, wasn't it? His team did have contact with Russia. So why was he saying they didn't?
I doubt Trump knew -and talking to Russians is not a basis for an investigation whatsoever.

Kerry just met with Iranian officials after he was Sec of State -like last week.

Yates used a similar situation with Flynn (although Flynn was on the transition team -Kerry out of Office)
to claim Flynn was compromised,and set the FBI on his ass.
The investigative agents did not think Flynn was lying -yet Flynn was indicted by Mueller,
 
secondly the surveillance was extraordinary -not just phone taps, but informants, and Emails,and "secret letters"-\why? and this was on American citizens who are supposedly protected by the 4th

Why was Trump's team talking to Russians under FBI surveillance?
 
Trump said, multiple times, that neither he nor anyone on his campaign had contact with Russia. So he lied. He did have contact with Russia. So why did he say he didn't? What would be the reason Trump would go on TV and say to the camera that no one on his team "had any contact with Russia"?
either Trump did not know, or he used his typical broken speech to mean not talking for nefarious purposes (collusion)

But so what? why start a formal investigation on what a politician says?
 
I doubt Trump knew -and talking to Russians is not a basis for an investigation whatsoever.

Wait -you doubt it? Why would you doubt that? Is Trump not responsible or informed on what the people he's picking are doing? What kind of manager is that? The kind who is ignorant to the actions of everyone working for him, including his own son?

I doubt that.

You've really boxed yourself into a corner rhetorically here; you have to admit that either Trump is so clueless he had no idea that virtually everyone in his campaign was in contact with Russia, or that he knew it was happening and was encouraging it.

If the first scenario is the case, then he's unfit to govern.

If the second scenario is the case, then he's a traitor and a liar.

So which is it? Because it can only be one or the other.
 
Kerry just met with Iranian officials after he was Sec of State -like last week.

So what? How do you know they didn't reach out to him and request a meeting? Also, Kerry isn't running for President and isn't pretending like he didn't meet with Iranians.
 
Yates used a similar situation with Flynn (although Flynn was on the transition team -Kerry out of Office)

Yes, so that's quite different, isn't it?

And why was Flynn meeting with Russians when Trump said "no contact with Russia"? Why did Trump lie?
 
to claim Flynn was compromised,and set the FBI on his ass.

Flynn is compromised. He agreed to a plea bargain. Innocent people don't do that.

So why was Flynn meeting with Russians when Trump was saying no one had contact with Russia?
 
The investigative agents did not think Flynn was lying -yet Flynn was indicted by Mueller,

Because he lied. The investigative agents were wrong. Flynn lied to the FBI about his contact with Russia - contact Trump said he didn't have.

So why was Trump saying his people had no contact with Russia when it seems like everyone on his team did, and then lied about it?
 
There is underlying evidence; Papadopolous' plea deal. He pled guilty to lying to the FBI about...wait for it...contact with Russia. We only found out about it because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
Papa was a low level sit in on an advisory board -hardly part of the camapign.

But to your question: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...icy-advisor-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi

George Papadopoulos, who worked for President Trump's campaign as a foreign policy adviser, has pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents about meeting a professor with Russian ties who had promised to provide "dirt" on Trump's Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

It's evident Papa was lured in to dig up dirt - why is this being investigated? seeking opposition research?
 
either Trump did not know, or he used his typical broken speech to mean not talking for nefarious purposes (collusion)

So he's either unfit, or lying again?

If he lied once about no contact with Russia, why would he be telling the truth now about the contact with Russia?
 
either Trump did not know, or he used his typical broken speech to mean not talking for nefarious purposes (collusion)

It's not like he said it one time; he said it over and over and over and over. So it wasn't a mistake. It wasn't a Freudian slip. It was a deliberate decision on his part to deny "any contact with Russia".

Why are you making excuses for him? And you realize you're just guessing, right? Occam's Razor seems to dictate something else.
 
first off talking to Russians should not start an investigation unless there was some underlying evidence
there was some collusion/ talking to Russians is not evidence of a crime

secondly the surveillance was extraordinary -not just phone taps, but informants, and Emails,and "secret letters"-\why? and this was on American citizens who are supposedly protected by the 4th

Lying about talking to Russians IS a crime...why did Flynn, Sessions, Jarrod and Trump Jr. lie?
 
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