10 Facts About American Health Care, (Plus 6 more stats!)

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

* Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."

Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country. Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

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Also......

Article from the "Investor's Business Daily." It provides some very
interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:

U.S. 65%

England 46%

Canada 42%


Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:

U.S. 93%

England 15%

Canada 43%


Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:

U.S. 90%

England 15%

Canada 43%


Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

U.S. 77%

England 40%

Canada 43%


Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

U.S. 71

England 14

Canada 18


Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
"excellent health":

U.S. 12%

England 2%

Canada 6%


Once again, the conclusion in obvious.
 
Well, this post has been up for several hours, and not a single comment from the Pro-Socialized Medicine crowd! Where are the idiot Canadians with all their praise for the Canadian health care system? Where are the Brits with all the stories of the glorious health care they enjoy for free? Where are all the Obamanites telling us how daisies are going to spring from our asses when we nationalize health care?
 
Dixie. I could criticize the credibility of your source here. There a right wing think tank with an agenda to preserve a status quo for vested interest but I'm not gonna do that. Why? Cause there's nothing to argue about here. The data they published is correct.

No one is denying that we don't do great things in health care in this nation. That we are not leaders in the field. We do and we are but none of what you posted is relevant to why the people of this nation wants reform. I can show you statistics from many more reliable and credible sources then NCPA that shows over and over again how the US spends more money then other developed nations and that we don't achieve the outcomes that we should. The facts driving health care reform can't be ignored.

We spend more per capita by nearly double then most developed nations, over $6,000.

That we spend 15.3% of GDP on health care. That's 50% more then most developed nations.

How only 24% of our population is covered by public spending on health care while spending 50% more for public health care per capita then other developed nations who cover, in most cases, 100% of their population.

How we spend 5 to 10 times as much on private spending for health care as other developed nations.

That the median out of pocket health care cost in the US is nearly triple that of other developed nations.

How our costs for in patient hospital care is nearly double that of other developed nations.

How our spending on hospital discharges are nearly triple what other developed nations pay.

How we rank near the bottom in the length of acute hospital care due to cost.

How we rank near the bottom in the length of stay for myocardio infarct stays in hospitals due to cost.

How we rank near last for developed nations in the number of acute care hospital beds per 1000 persons available.

How we spend nearly double for basic health care and diagnostics then other developed nations.

How other developed nations have nearly 50% more licensed physicians per capita then we do and how our growth rate for practicing physicians is near last in the developed world.

Or how about the average American has 50% fewer doctors visits per capita then other developed nations meaning people don't go to see their doctor when they are sick cause of costs.

Or how about how we spend nearly double for pharmaceuticals then other developed nations.

Or how we consistently rank near the bottom for developed nations on measures of public health and prevention such as immunization, breast cancer screening with obesity rates nearly triple other modern nations.

or how we rank near the bottom for developed nations in mortality and morbidity rates including life expectency.

Dixie the stats you posted are all well and fine and very good but they DON'T ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM!

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Con...l-Comparisonsof-Health-Systems-Data-2008.aspx
 
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Dixie. I could criticize the credibility of your source here. There a right wing think tank with an agenda to preserve a status quo for vested interest but I'm not gonna do that. Why? Cause there's nothing to argue about here. The data they published is correct.

You are correct there is nothing to argue about, the data is correct. But you are factually incorrect about the source of information. The first set of facts come from a variety of sources, none of which are known to be "radical right wing" propaganda outlets:

Concord Working Group
U.S. Cancer Statistics
National Program of Cancer Registries
U.S. Centers for Disease Control
Canadian Cancer Society/National Cancer Institute of Canada
University of Erlangen-Nuremberg
European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations
Cato Institute
Fraser Institute
Royal College of Radiologists
Department of Health, England
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development
Heritage Foundation
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
New York Times
The Nobel Prize Internet Archive

The second set of statistics comes from the United Nations International Health Organization.... hardly a "right wing" group. So let's be honest about this, it didn't come from "the right" it came from reputable sources in the field, and it is absolutely accurate and correct.

Your only counter-argument is, that American health care costs too much... well guess what? According to the very people who passed Health Care Reform, the new legislation will INCREASE the cost of health care! If you main beef was cost, you didn't FIX the problem, you made it WORSE!
 
You are correct there is nothing to argue about, the data is correct. But you are factually incorrect about the source of information. The first set of facts come from a variety of sources, none of which are known to be "radical right wing" propaganda outlets:

Concord Working Group
U.S. Cancer Statistics
National Program of Cancer Registries
U.S. Centers for Disease Control
Canadian Cancer Society/National Cancer Institute of Canada
University of Erlangen-Nuremberg
European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations
Cato Institute
Fraser Institute
Royal College of Radiologists
Department of Health, England
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development
Heritage Foundation
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
New York Times
The Nobel Prize Internet Archive

The second set of statistics comes from the United Nations International Health Organization.... hardly a "right wing" group. So let's be honest about this, it didn't come from "the right" it came from reputable sources in the field, and it is absolutely accurate and correct.

Your only counter-argument is, that American health care costs too much... well guess what? According to the very people who passed Health Care Reform, the new legislation will INCREASE the cost of health care! If you main beef was cost, you didn't FIX the problem, you made it WORSE!
You are so exasperating Dixie. First your not paying attention to how run away cost affect outcomes. Cost is one of the major factors impacting outcomes or didn't you read the stats or the link I posted. Do you know why these other nations have lower mortality and morbidity rates? It's because their people have more access to doctors. They don't fear the costs. They have more available physicians and more hospital beds per capita and they go to primary portal physicians at the early stages of illness instead of waiting till a chronic illness becomes an acute and more costly illness to treat. How they get the information and screenings and physical check ups and public health services that go a long way towards preventing illness. So yea, cost is one of the major factors in lack of access and poor outcomes in this nation.

As for cost of our current health care reform, you've said a lot of stupid things Dixie but this is one of the more stupid. No shit HC reform is going to cost more. Instead of covering the essential principles needed to cut cost, i.e. universal coverage, single payer system and implementing cost controls we've ended up with a gutted set of reforms that were gutted by right wing interest and insurance industry lobbies that reduced it to a half assed reform that doesn't even provide universal coverage and includes some data and admnistrative standards. Hell they couldn't even create standardized electronic forms that would have considerable savings and make health care information portable due to insurance company opposition. So in short, yea it may cost tax payers more but the over all cost, as a percentage of GDP will shrink due to these reforms or more correctly will reduce the rate that HC cost are increasing.

The primary value of the current HC reform is it establishes a precedent. You can bitch and moan all you want to Dixie and play right wing partisan politics till the cows come home but the fact is, is that our HC systems is outrageously expensive and does not produce the desired level of outcomes considering the technology we have available and the massive cost we pay for HC.

So like other issues of science you can continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore the facts. The fact is Dixie, is that the current HC reform, to state the obvious, was gutted by congress and doesn't do enough, to control those costs, but mark my word Dixie, that will come. You will see universal coverage, a single payer system and health care cost controls implemented whether you like it or not.
 
Ok, you picked some areas in which the US is doing better. How about some of the areas that we suck at?


Infant mortality rates in the US are behind 45 other nations.

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Once again, the conclusion in obvious.

Dixie, Dixie, Dixie. Your arguments/analytical skills remind me of a pre-pubescent child.

First, the comparisons are made between the entire population of Canada or the United Kingdom or other countries with universal medical and the PAYING customers in the US. How long does a patient in the US wait to see a doctor when they can't afford to see a doctor? If a person calls a doctor's office and tells the receptionist they don't feel well but they don't have the money to pay the doctor how long do they stay on a waiting list? Six months? A year? Does the receptionist tell them that if they still can't pay for a doctor's visit after waiting six months they can come in for a free exam? How long do they stay on that waiting list, Dixie?

Then there's the problem of after receiving a quick diagnosis some patients can't afford the necessary medication to treat the illness. Sort of defeats the whole purpose, does it not?

But after all is said and done the bottom line is how long is one going to live. I think we can agree the overriding reason one visits a doctor is to insure they're not dying from some illness/disease. So, let's take a look at life expectancy.

Canada, at number 9 on the world scale, is 81.29 years.
The United Kingdom at number 36, is 79.16 years.
The United States, at number 49, is 78.24 years.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

So, for all the quick service, the innovations, the supposed superiority of US medical care people in the two countries used as comparisons, Canada and the United Kingdom, live longer.

Yes, Dixie, the conclusion is obvious. Unfortunately, you missed it. :(



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http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

* Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."

Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country. Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Also......

Article from the "Investor's Business Daily." It provides some very
interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:

U.S. 65%

England 46%

Canada 42%


Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:

U.S. 93%

England 15%

Canada 43%


Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:

U.S. 90%

England 15%

Canada 43%


Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

U.S. 77%

England 40%

Canada 43%


Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

U.S. 71

England 14

Canada 18


Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
"excellent health":

U.S. 12%

England 2%

Canada 6%


Once again, the conclusion in obvious.

Dixie, Dixie, Dixie.
 
List the differences in how they are calculated. It's important, and you'll find that it is very different.
Why should he. If your trying to tell him is data is bad or biased then that burden is yours. You tell us how it was calculated and why it is erroneous or non-representative.
 
Why not just say they're all fixed to make America look bad?

They are not 'fixed', they simply are not calculated in the same manner in each country. Which was my point... comparing apples to oranges and then proclaiming BANANAS! is not an accurate picture.
 
The number of infant 12 months or younger whose deaths are recorded per year per 1000 births.

Now list HOW the NUMBER OF INFANTS 12 months or younger is CALCULATED.

Which countries count still births, which do not.
Which countries try to bring more 'problem' births to term, which tend to opt for aborting those deemed a 'problem'?
Do countries 'record' them as accurately as each other?

etc....
 
Why should he. If your trying to tell him is data is bad or biased then that burden is yours. You tell us how it was calculated and why it is erroneous or non-representative.

asking you to show how YOUR numbers are calculated is YOUR burden. YOU posted the data as if it meant something... YOU should therefore KNOW how they are calculated and where the differences lie.
 
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