$1 Billion Surplus in Wisconsin...Gov. Scott Walker Returning It to Taxpayers

Big Money said:
Is it true that Californias' spending on welfare now exceeds their spending on education?
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I do not know; but I wouldn't be surprised by it. The State has gotten another infusion of taxpayer money to build its healthcare network and enhance service raising the amount of federal grants to almost a billion dollars. But don't try to call one of their advise centers, they on,y answer about 13% of the calls they receive.
 
Big Money said:
Is it typical of liberals that they refuse to acknowledged that a surplus existed in the first place?
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There was no surplus in the first place and the reality is that there is not one now; Liberals are experts at sleight of hand financial buffoonery that masks the real deficit by pretending that States do not need to account for their unfunded pension liabilities/obligations.
 
Truth Detector said:
There was no surplus in the first place and the reality is that there is not one now; Liberals are experts at sleight of hand financial buffoonery that masks the real deficit by pretending that States do not need to account for their unfunded pension liabilities/obligations.
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Just like Bush did not include two wars in his deficit projections....
 
1966stang said:
Thank you for confirming again that you are a moron.....
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The only one confirming what a moron he is would be you vagina tard. I mean, who else would be stupid enough to pretend that urban centers of Ohio contain no malaise or deterioration. I'll educate you later when I have more time.
 
Truth Detector said:
The only one confirming what a moron he is would be you vagina tard. I mean, who else would be stupid enough to pretend that urban centers of Ohio contain no malaise or deterioration. I'll educate you later when I have more time.
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...and once again you show yourself to be a dunce. Almost every urban area has malaise and deterioration regardless of which party is in charge.
 
1966stang said:
Just like Bush did not include two wars in his deficit projections....
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Dear whiney uninformed vagina tard; please show me how this has ANYTHING to do with the thread topic.

Then when you're done embarrassing yourself with that one, show me ANY nation that fought a war/wars by budgeting the costs.

The same can be said for the States that have Republican leadership over those run by Democrats.

You really are THAT incredibly naive, uninformed and stupid.
 
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1966stang said:
...and once again you show yourself to be a dunce. Almost every urban area has malaise and deterioration regardless of which party is in charge.
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Then why did you claim I was a "fucking moron" for saying it? As far as Democrat/republican goes, I haven't seen many cities managed by Republicans go bankrupt; but a LOT of Democrat ones have thanks to cronyism, corruption and welfarism.

You're the forum idiot on this thread; unfortunately for you, youre too fucking stupid to comprehend what an idiot you are.
 
christiefan915 said:
Pennsylvania, 41 out of 45 in job growth under a Repub governor. Deal with it.
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No, you deal with it. I live in Florida. Your state in general suffers from a downturn in natural gas exploration and a decline in manufacturing jobs. There's some other stuff here:https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/d...cs/regional-reports/Pennsylvania_10252013.pdf
This document mentioned one thing that really caught my attention. The financial woes of some municipalities(Harrisburg and Philadelphia in particular), are in sorry financial shape and are putting a drag on the state's recovery. Guess which party is in charge of both of those cities? Wells Fargo sees hope for your state, though:
Summary and Conclusion
Pennsylvania’s economy continues to limp along at a subdued pace. The structural decline in manufacturing has limited the state’s ability to make a quick turnaround, and the belt tightening in the public sector is creating headwinds for growth. Both the state and several major metro areas are struggling to balance their budgets, and as a result, have made painful expenditure cuts, most notably to education programs. Sluggish job and income growth keep consumption at bay, and prevent retailers from adding to their payrolls. However, there are some bright spots in the state’s economy. Education and healthcare have proved resilient over the years as prestigious institutions attract growing demand. Wholesale trade and distribution are also seeing gains. In addition, Philadelphia’s refineries are benefitting from rising oil output in North Dakota and Canada. Drilling in the Marcellus shale has boosted employment in extraction and related businesses and is providing a boost to the manufacturing sector. Energy exploration has not had the same transformative effect on Pennsylvania as it has on other energy-producing states, such as Texas and North Dakota. The state also has not had the strong surge in housing related employment and wealth effects felt in many other parts of the country as its housing market continues to limp forward. Conditions should improve as the drag from public sector cutbacks wanes. Job and income growth should improve and the unemployment rate should resume its gradual decline, which should boost consumption and breathe new life in the retail industry.
 
1966stang said:
I am pretty sure that if it were put up to a vote, you would get far more votes than I would for forum idiot.
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LMAO; yeah, a JPP vote will definitely justify the utter stupidity and dimwitted fawning that erupts from your keyboard.

It takes a special brand of stupid to make comments like this.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Prove it.
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Too lazy to look it up yourself?

Only willing dunces and a leftist media practicing malfeasance take the word of Democrats and the Democrat Governor that the budget deficits of the recent past have suddenly melted away.

July 1, 2013 – October 31, 2013 (in Millions)

Total General Fund Receipts $25,748.2

Total Disbursements $41,628.4

http://www.sco.ca.gov/eo_2013_11_summary_analysis_numbers.html

Based on the actual data and not pie-in-the-sky projections; the current running deficit is a 15.880 Billion deficit.

The year ends in June 2014 because California's fiscal year runs July 1 to June 30th.

Understanding that there is a BIG difference between "estimates" and "actual", the presumed "surplus" is being manufactured by incredibly optimistic projections that will probably NOT materialize in reality as has been the historic case.

It would take a huge LEAP of faith to believe that a State that suffered from a $25 billion deficit in 2011 and a nearly $10 billion deficit for 2012 now suddenly is going to have this huge surplus.

But Jerry Brown did act like a Republican and make HUGE cuts in welfare and Medi-Cal, as well as $500 billion from the UC system.

As for the next fiscal year, again, they are pie-in-the-sky optimistic budget PROJECTIONS and NOT REAL until we actually spend the money and take in the revenue.

Now let's look at the debt; The combined debt of California’s state and local governments is at least $848 billion and could escalate past $1.1 trillion, according to a new report.

Now who do you presume will be obligated to pay this $1 trillion in debt?

So based on the REAL data, no surplus has been realized and one can only pretend the state’s finances are in good shape if one ignores the massive debt being accumulated to create the fantasy of a "surplus."
 
Truth Detector said:
Too lazy to look it up yourself?

Only willing dunces and a leftist media practicing malfeasance take the word of Democrats and the Democrat Governor that the budget deficits of the recent past have suddenly melted away.

July 1, 2013 – October 31, 2013 (in Millions)

Total General Fund Receipts $25,748.2

Total Disbursements $41,628.4

http://www.sco.ca.gov/eo_2013_11_summary_analysis_numbers.html

Based on the actual data and not pie-in-the-sky projections; the current running deficit is a 15.880 Billion deficit.

The year ends in June 2014 because California's fiscal year runs July 1 to June 30th.

Understanding that there is a BIG difference between "estimates" and "actual", the presumed "surplus" is being manufactured by incredibly optimistic projections that will probably NOT materialize in reality as has been the historic case.

It would take a huge LEAP of faith to believe that a State that suffered from a $25 billion deficit in 2011 and a nearly $10 billion deficit for 2012 now suddenly is going to have this huge surplus.

But Jerry Brown did act like a Republican and make HUGE cuts in welfare and Medi-Cal, as well as $500 billion from the UC system.

As for the next fiscal year, again, they are pie-in-the-sky optimistic budget PROJECTIONS and NOT REAL until we actually spend the money and take in the revenue.

Now let's look at the debt; The combined debt of California’s state and local governments is at least $848 billion and could escalate past $1.1 trillion, according to a new report.

Now who do you presume will be obligated to pay this $1 trillion in debt?

So based on the REAL data, no surplus has been realized and one can only pretend the state’s finances are in good shape if one ignores the massive debt being accumulated to create the fantasy of a "surplus."
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Understood...since California is a Democrat Governor, they AREN'T allowed to use "projections"...but since Wisconsin has a REPUBLICAN Governor, they ARE allowed to do so.

There's a word for that...oh yeah...HYPOCRITE!

Do you think there might come a time when you could debate an issue with HONESTY for once?
 
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