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Ignorance and the Bible
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In fact, some do.
Yep, the gospel authors are legitimate in the sense that SOMEBODY wrote them. It’s just that nobody knows who. Why that’s so difficult for you to swallow is mystifying.
There is zero evidence Luke was a slave.
There is no question Paul could write Greek. He doesn't seem to have been from the aristocratic class, elite, or nobility.
Paul sought companions who could assist him - he wanted people who could be ambassadors for him (Priscilla), and he probably dictated some of his letters to his companions. That means they were literate. Paul was obviously incorporating capable people into his ministry.. You can't leap out of your chair and declare with certainty that Paul's companion Luke was illiterate.
No atheist on this message board has ever credibly explained why the church fathers would make totally obscure and low-ranking Christians like Luke and Mark the authors of two of the churches most sacred scriptures. There is zero propaganda value, and if you really wanted to make a splash and make it instantly authoritative, you would name those canonical gospels after apostles, like Andrew or Phillip.
I know that. But the original gospels were written in a simple down to Earth Kione Greek, which means we don't have to look for scholars or elite citizens to locate the authors of the NT. People like Paul, Luke, and probably Mark were capable of writing Koine Greek.
I guess you enjoyed getting in that little insult.
My position is that we can never prove who wrote the gospels, but there's enough evidence that if someone chooses to believe in the authorship it doesn't make them idiotic morons.
Again, the only person calling anyone "idiotic morons" is you.
Look at that again.
All the insults against Christians on here, all the insults against the Apostles, all the "names" called have come from your posts. You create strawmen that none of the atheists have said on this forum.
You sit on here all day and slide in little digs at people, make up demonized versions of their points and generally misrepresent and insult. You have compared those of us who are athiests repeatedly to Trump, Nixon, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao.
And you got a mild rebuke and you get pissy?
I was surprised to find that this is not an uncommon idea.
'“Luke/Lucanus” was a slave name and many Roman slaves were physicians. Luke could have been a freed slave.' (SOURCE)
'Some have thought Luke may have been a freedman. Names with contractions ending in as were particularly common among slaves.' (SOURCE)
Using the name to define his status as a slave is so weak it barely counts as evidence. All I see here are suppositions and guesses.
Galen and Hippocrotes were also a physicians in the ancient world, so any attempt to claim all physicians are slaves stains credulity
Luke is identified as a physician by Paul, and I believe it's widely assumed Luke is one of the most educated and literate authors of the NT.
Paul seems to have recruited capable and literate people to help him run and administer his ministry. I have a hard time believing Luke was an illiterate lowly slave.
Early 2nd century church fathers attributed that gospel to Luke.
If they were looking to make a splash, it strains credulity to believe that early church leaders would name one of their most sacred scriptures after an obscure and low-ranking Christian, rather than an authoritative person like the apostles James, Andrew, or Phillip.
For all the above reasons, I reject the insinuation that a person would have to be a barely sentient nincompoop to believe there are good reasons to believe this gospel was actually written by the Evangelist Luke.
I think the real problem is that JPP forces people to look at threads.
"Somebody wrote them" is the least insightful thing I've read on this thread, sorry.
In a strict sense, Matthew most likely did not write the gospel of Matthew. The first century Bishop Pappias evidently claims Matthew wrote a now-lost testimonial in Aramaic, but then other people translated and edited it into Greek. So strictly speaking, Matthew is not the author of the Greek language Gospel we have.
At some point your arguments are all going to boil down to: "everybody's lying!". And that's just not very convincing.
The gospels do not include Paul. And he was an educated person, regardless. Nobody EVER claims he wrote any of the 4 gospels.
The apostles were Galileans, which means they were about 97% chance of being illiterate. The slave reference meant that being a “doctor” had little meaning.
Into the Night
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Pivot fallacy. You asked what laws came from Bible teachings. I listed some of them.
I am not an atheist.
I do not fear Jesus Christ.
You are now locked in another paradox. You cannot argue that a law is desirable and undesirable at the same time! That's irrational.
Into the Night
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Argument from randU fallacy. Quoting made up numbers won't work, GM.
Into the Night
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It is made up.
Insults won't change the fact that the numbers you quoted are made up.
Only three of Paul's 13 epistles are widely doubted to be authored by him, and none of them are the important ones.
Galatians, Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians are the most important in terms of Christian practice, belief, ethics, and theology, and these are undisputed letters of Paul.
It adds to my confidence that you are one of my consistent opponents on this thread.
What makes you think you did that? Who are you...Trump?
You are the fool. All I am doing is watching you prove it...even brag about it.
Even if you are a teen, g...act like it.
Ehrman is citing sources that are 20 years old.
The thing about historical scholarship is that conclusions change as new information and methods become available
Study confirms widespread literacy in biblical-period kingdom of Judah
"many of the inhabitants of the kingdom of Judah during that period were able to read and write, with literacy not reserved as an exclusive domain in the hands of a few royal scribes."
I started to suspect that literacy in the Roman Empire wasn't just limited to 3 percent of the elites when I saw a lecture about graffiti discovered in ancient Roman cities, much of which was bawdy and even pornographic in nature, just what you would expect from working people, merchants, skilled laborers