Don't argue politics with a Liberal friend...

This new narrative of conflating abortion rights with gun rights is really sick. It's a new low for you guys.

The difference is obvious. I've already explained it, I'm not going to answer your questions five times each. Further, one thing completely has nothing to do with the other. You are desperate for strawmen because they only thing you give one shit about is white dudes being able to shoot people at will.

That's your thing. LIke I told you, keep it in Texass. No one here cares.
no, the only thing you explained was your desire to treat rights differently than others. nothing more, nothing less. so if it's good for you, it should be good for others. you've not given a single answer that I haven't had to guess at, nor did you confirm the guess..

so why don't you just admit that it's not about rights with you, it's about your partisan hacktastic ideas. you could care less about the constitution and hope to see judges make up the rights and rules according to your desires. that's not being a liberal, that's being a totalitarian.
 
"Let's take your argument to the opposite extreme, and say a woman gets pregnant and DOESN'T want an abortion, but the father does? Does he have the right to slip her an abortion pill? That's his "seed" growing in there, and maybe he chooses not to have a child at this time? He should at least be able to file some kind of statement that he won't be responsible for the child, since he doesn't want it... right? I mean, that should be his choice, shouldn't it? The woman gets to choose, but not the man? Is that how it goes? "

Yes.

This has been another addition of easy answers to stupid questions.

Duly noted; you don't agree with equal rights!
 
no, the only thing you explained was your desire to treat rights differently than others. nothing more, nothing less. so if it's good for you, it should be good for others. you've not given a single answer that I haven't had to guess at, nor did you confirm the guess..

so why don't you just admit that it's not about rights with you, it's about your partisan hacktastic ideas. you could care less about the constitution and hope to see judges make up the rights and rules according to your desires. that's not being a liberal, that's being a totalitarian.

One more time. Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.

Conflating allowing terrorist suspects and men with a history of DV to legally have guns, with a woman's right to reproductive freedom is so ridiculous that it makes you look stupid.

But you're just a fanatic, and I guess that's what they do.
 
no, the only thing you explained was your desire to treat rights differently than others. nothing more, nothing less. so if it's good for you, it should be good for others. you've not given a single answer that I haven't had to guess at, nor did you confirm the guess..

so why don't you just admit that it's not about rights with you, it's about your partisan hacktastic ideas. you could care less about the constitution and hope to see judges make up the rights and rules according to your desires. that's not being a liberal, that's being a totalitarian.

Has anyone told you today that you are dumberthananyonetheyeverknew? I'm telling you now.
 
One more time. Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.
which has zero to do with the right to carry a weapon for self defense. so you fail.

Conflating allowing terrorist suspects and men with a history of DV to legally have guns, with a woman's right to reproductive freedom is so ridiculous that it makes you look stupid.
it actually makes you look stupid because you painted yourself right in to the corner of your own trap. rights are just that....rights. one is not any greater or lesser than the other, so if you are arguing for reasonable restrictions on one, you're arguing for reasonable restrictions on all. Since you have answered that you feel mere accusations of wrongdoing should be enough to deny rights to people, it shouldn't be that difficult to accept simple counseling prior to getting permission to have an abortion.

But you're just a fanatic, and I guess that's what they do.
you're arguing for the absolute right of a woman to have an abortion. Isn't that a bit fanatical?
 
I have always maintained the policy of never attempting to argue politics with my several liberal friends. I have found, for the most part, we have great friendships and great times together, as long as the subject doesn't end up on politics. Knowing that neither of us are likely to change our views, I choose to avoid getting into lengthy discussions about our differences. Whenever the conversation begins to go there, I can usually find something else to occupy their attention, and avoid the confrontation. First, I will try to change the subject, if that doesn't work, I'll pick up the guitar or turn on some music, and it usually works out lovely. I've maintained these very close friendships for 20 years or more, and haven't lost a friend yet, to my knowledge. I'm telling you this to lead into the story of my recent lesson in abandoning this policy, and the dismal results.

A liberal female friend and I were talking at a recent gathering, not really about politics, but just about how the world was, and how precious life was, and how much we had to be thankful for. Somehow, a comment was made about people with political differences, constantly fighting with each other over every little thing. I can't recall who made the comment, but I began to explain how I felt that most of the differences we consider impossible, are easily settled, if both sides are willing to accept compromise. In order to make my point, I mistakenly used the issue of abortion, which my liberal friend had a very outspoken opinion on.

What I was going to try and explain, was how my particular view was pro-life and I didn't agree with abortion on demand, but I could accept that abortion could be allowed in some cases, under certain circumstances, if we are willing to simply be honest with each other about what we're doing. I don't even have a problem of allowing states to decide individually, whether abortion is legal or not. I think this is a great compromise from most staunch pro-life supporters, in fact, I know it is, because I've gotten a lot of grief from them. The point was, the issue of abortion doesn't have to be impossible, it could be resolved between reasonable and rational people who are willing to accept some level of compromise in their personal views.

Well, before I could even start to make my point, in fact, as soon as the words "I am pro-life and don't agree..." came out of my mouth, my friend launched into an attack on me. She proceeded to tell me how my opinion wasn't legitimate unless I was willing to.... (didn't ever understand this part) ...come to that child years later and explain to them how they were there because I was pro-life, and now I am here to take care of them... Now, I admit, she had consumed several alcoholic beverages and I was completely sober, so there may have been a bit of booze distortion in her thought-to-speech process, but the idea that she wouldn't even allow me to explain my point, and insisted that my opinion was invalid unless I met some stupid criteria of hers, really pissed me off. I couldn't help but think of the irony, how this whole conversation began with me trying to make a point that two sides can get along with compromise and understanding of each other.

I learned that not everyone is open-minded to the opinions of others. I can respect that she had a different viewpoint, and I didn't place any burden of criteria on her to validate her opinion. Her opinions is hers, she owns that, whether I agree with it or not. It bothers me that she disrespected me this way, I really didn't expect it from her. No one's viewpoint was changed, but I believe I lost a ton of respect for her as a person. Not because she was opposed to my viewpoint, I already knew she was a liberal, but because she attempted to invalidate it and render it illegitimate, and without ever actually hearing me out. I also learned that, no matter how much I believed liberal and conservatives could resolve their differences in a civil manner, it's likely a fool's dream. But the most important lesson learned, by far, is never to argue politics with Liberal friends.

This is just more bald faced horseshit from Dixie.

He has in the past, excoriated political candidates for being willing to compromise, but now suddenly he's here championing compromise...

He has stated on NUMEROUS threads that he's completely unwilling to compromise his beliefs with regards to MANY subjects, so either he was lying then, or he's lying in this OP.
 
So women don't have common sense? They need abortion mansplained to them?


Liberals want gun owners to attend and pass safety classes on gun safety....don't you think adults that own and shoot guns have common sense ?

The logic and the answer is the same for both....
 
which has zero to do with the right to carry a weapon for self defense. so you fail.

it actually makes you look stupid because you painted yourself right in to the corner of your own trap. rights are just that....rights. one is not any greater or lesser than the other, so if you are arguing for reasonable restrictions on one, you're arguing for reasonable restrictions on all. Since you have answered that you feel mere accusations of wrongdoing should be enough to deny rights to people, it shouldn't be that difficult to accept simple counseling prior to getting permission to have an abortion.

you're arguing for the absolute right of a woman to have an abortion. Isn't that a bit fanatical?

Nah, it's just stupidity on your part. Anyone who wants to give guns to men with a history of beating up women is someone who is really out of their minds. And doesn't care at all about women. People with a history of violence should not have guns. That's 1 plus 1 = 2 level logic.

Women seeking abortions know that they are pregnant and that not having an abortion will result in giving birth. They don't need "counseling" to educate them about this.

Your attempts at equating the two situations are laughable. But what makes it even funnier is that you actually believe you are smart and are schooling someone. That's LOL funny. You're really not. And you don't sound smart, and you don't write smart.

You like like a fool on this thread. :)
 
Liberals want gun owners to attend and pass safety classes on gun safety....don't you think adults that own and shoot guns have common sense ?

The logic and the answer is the same for both....

I don't think that knowing how a gun works, or a safety catch on a gun, is "common sense".

It's like a car - you're not born knowing how to operate one. Of course you should have safety classes. That's a no-brainer. This has nothing to do with reproductive rights or pregnant women and only fools would think it did.
 
This new narrative of conflating abortion rights with gun rights is really sick. It's a new low for you guys.

The difference is obvious. I've already explained it, I'm not going to answer your questions five times each. Further, one thing completely has nothing to do with the other. You are desperate for strawmen because they only thing you give one shit about is white dudes being able to shoot people at will.

That's your thing. LIke I told you, keep it in Texass. No one here cares.


They may be two different issues but the debate is relative.....

You're for sensible gun control on a Constitutional Right that is spelled out in that document and adhered to for over 200 years.....

Conservatives want sensible abortion control on a "right" that was invented out or whole cloth by an activist court.....the word 'privacy' had to be
spin, distorted and literally redefined

And you don't see a problem with this....?
 
Nah, it's just stupidity on your part. Anyone who wants to give guns to men with a history of beating up women is someone who is really out of their minds. And doesn't care at all about women. People with a history of violence should not have guns. That's 1 plus 1 = 2 level logic.

Women seeking abortions know that they are pregnant and that not having an abortion will result in giving birth. They don't need "counseling" to educate them about this.

Your attempts at equating the two situations are laughable. But what makes it even funnier is that you actually believe you are smart and are schooling someone. That's LOL funny. You're really not. And you don't sound smart, and you don't write smart.

You like like a fool on this thread. :)
oh darla, you've made yourself look so foolish and partisan on this it's hilarious. it truly shows that you have no desire to have any rule of law, just raw illogical emotion. I made you look stupid. that you can't see that is even funnier.
 
I am not at all surprised that you both have a lot of liberal women friends. Con men always like me too. Face it, you cons can't even stand your own women but you expect me to.
That's because liberals are tolerant and sensitive. You, Darla, can stand anyone because you are tolerant and sensitive. Now shut the fuck up and apologize to Sara Palin.
 
I don't think that knowing how a gun works, or a safety catch on a gun, is "common sense".

It's like a car - you're not born knowing how to operate one. Of course you should have safety classes. That's a no-brainer. This has nothing to do with reproductive rights or pregnant women and only fools would think it did.


Not only is it common sense to read and follow the directions and safety instructions packages with the gun ....its common sense to not point a thing that could
kill someone unless you mean to......its as much common sense as not walking into the path of a bus.....
The salesman can show you the safety on a gun in 10 seconds, it don't require 8 hours in a classroom....
 
Not only is it common sense to read and follow the directions and safety instructions packages with the gun ....its common sense to not point a thing that could
kill someone unless you mean to......its as much common sense as not walking into the path of a bus.....
The salesman can show you the safety on a gun in 10 seconds, it don't require 8 hours in a classroom....
or risking pregnancy when you already have 3 kids you can't care for.
 
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