big surprise, torture did not work

torture and ill-treatment are repugnant, abhorrent, and immoral.

No one will deny that "a rapport-based interrogation that recognizes respect and dignity, and having very well-trained interrogators, is the basis by which you develop intelligence rapidly and increase the validity of that intelligence."
There is no reason not to believe this....
and making one think the alternative to this is pain may be a factor to its successful use.....
but to deny that pain does not produce results is to deny logic.....
 
The actions of dick cheney, gwb and all others that support "enhanced interrogation" aka "torture" make a mockery of American values and ideals. WE don't do that shit. Those that would encourage it need to go to where they are better accepted and understood. Real Americans are better than that.
 
bravo said:
I don't know and certainly don't care....if it was up to me, the terrorist fuck would be dead 5 seconds after I see him....

I love these guys that say torture doesn't work.....give me a couple days with you and I'll have you telling me everything you ever did or know or remember......

you actually think you can't be broken....your 'resolve' will win out ?....Get fuckin' real.....
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I'll take that bet.
 
Don Quixote said:
just the opposite

my point is against those that want torture to be used

not only is it wrong, but it is ineffective
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Ineffective as in cannot be trusted to produce reliable results? Or ineffective as a tool to portray American values and ideals? Or both? What else?
 
Gatorman said:
Ineffective as in cannot be trusted to produce reliable results? Or ineffective as a tool to portray American values and ideals? Or both? What else?
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it does not work so why argue for its use whether it is moral or not
 
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bravo said:
Leon Panetta is not anyones master, left or right, you partisan fool......Hes is one Democrat I actually believe in this matter.....he was or is in a position to know

You, on the other hand, don't fuckin' know your ass from Obama, the other ass...........

How long would you hold out ?
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This has nothing to do with Panetta, moron. The info was known years before Obama became president.

This article is from 2008. I know it's five pages long and you're intellectually-challenged, so just skip to page 4 and read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/washington/22ksm.html?pagewanted=4&_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


And here's another link. Clearly nobody broke down after being tortured only once.
[h=1]Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects [/h]
 
bravo said:
torture and ill-treatment are repugnant, abhorrent, and immoral.

No one will deny that "a rapport-based interrogation that recognizes respect and dignity, and having very well-trained interrogators, is the basis by which you develop intelligence rapidly and increase the validity of that intelligence."
There is no reason not to believe this....
and making one think the alternative to this is pain may be a factor to its successful use.....
but to deny that pain does not produce results is to deny logic.....
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Even KSM said that he gave info to stop the torture. Trouble is, he gave false info.
 
Gatorman said:
After 183 water boardings. For what? The good reputation of the heretofore greatest society in the history of mankind? Yep.
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Oh, please. We have faults, have made mistakes, and have done wrong, as a nation. And to point it out is not anti-American, but refusing to be in denial of it.
You can't fix a problem, until you're willing to admit you have one (not meaning "you").
 
poet said:
Oh, please. We have faults, have made mistakes, and have done wrong, as a nation. And to point it out is not anti-American, but refusing to be in denial of it.
You can't fix a problem, until you're willing to admit you have one (not meaning "you").
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Damn, poet. My sarcasm button isn't working. :)
 
christiefan915 said:
This has nothing to do with Panetta, moron. The info was known years before Obama became president.

This article is from 2008. I know it's five pages long and you're intellectually-challenged, so just skip to page 4 and read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/washington/22ksm.html?pagewanted=4&_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


And here's another link. Clearly nobody broke down after being tortured only once.
Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects
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Yes....The info was known years before Obama became president.///// The info was obtained by enhanced interrogation....thats the fuckin' point.

and the info finally led to OBL's hideaway and his death....

Try to keep up


Clearly nobody broke down after being tortured only once. ?

Waterboarding is one of thousands of methods of torture.....and probably the least painful....its a sensation of drowning not normally what we think of as pain....
 
bravo said:
You'll tell your torturer what he wants to know so he will stop the pain.......if you lie, you'll only lie once.....
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Hilarious....our three groaners....Aoxomoxoa (Today), Rana (Today), Yurt (Yesterday)think they could hold out in the face of torture....our big heros.....

Everybody breaks....sooner or later, everybody breaks.....including your three pinheads.....

you wouldn't hold out for an hour.....one or two broken bones, one or two teeth drilled into, one or two fingernails removed with a pair of plyers, you all

would be singing like larks......torture works, sooner or later.....
 
bravo said:
Yes....The info was known years before Obama became president.///// The info was obtained by enhanced interrogation....thats the fuckin' point.

and the info finally led to OBL's hideaway and his death....

Try to keep up


Clearly nobody broke down after being tortured only once. ?

Waterboarding is one of thousands of methods of torture.....and probably the least painful....its a sensation of drowning not normally what we think of as pain....
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Can you understand that if waterboarding really worked, they wouldn't have done it 266 times?

Show me the chain of evidence that links waterboarding to KSM giving up the info. Because according to the links, it was his relationship with one of the interrogators, not the torturers, that caused him to finally admit what he did.
 
christiefan915 said:
Can you understand that if waterboarding really worked, they wouldn't have done it 266 times?

Show me the chain of evidence that links waterboarding to KSM giving up the info. Because according to the links, it was his relationship with one of the interrogators, not the torturers, that caused him to finally admit what he did.
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You would be correct that torture produces unreliable information and that KSM developed a friendship with one of his guards that ultimately led to his confessions and information sharing. Torture advocates cannot prove that torture works so they make shit up. Fuck'em. Given the opportunity I would gladly torture them and I despise the concept if you get my drift.
 
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