big surprise, torture did not work

I knew in 1968 that torture was against the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions, was not an American value and that it never worked as intended and it didn't take a Senate hearing for me to understand any of that.
 
Why are you trying to destroy the good name of U.S. Service men? - Dick Cheney
 
senate investigation finds little evidence that torture provided any useful information

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-senate-probe-finds-little-evidence-effective-torture-051456121.html


Of course Leon Panetta says otherwise....that "enhanced interrogation" was responsible for getting OBL .........

I've no doubt that a Democratic Senate would find that not so.....that would be like admitting GWB was right and that is never gonna happen....

Only a gullible fool would believe it doesn't work when used by expert interrogators...........
 
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Gotta love bravs, who is the 1st in line to call Muslims "barbarians," jumping in to defend the use of torture...
 
Gotta love bravs, who is the 1st in line to call Muslims "barbarians," jumping in to defend the use of torture...

We don't have to love liars like you.....


Just because my post states the truth doesn't mean I defend or support or do not defend or not support anything....its just a statement of facts.....

Panetta said what he said.....fact

That a Senate run by Democrates found the way the found is no surprise.....fact....(and say Panetta is lying)

To deny it does in fact force people to reveal what they know is to defy logic.....fact

To mis-characterize my post as support is just a lie....and typical of Onecell....its his MO is almost every post he makes.....
 
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And really Onecell....if you don't find fucking a dead body

Circumcising female children

Marrying off children to old men

Stoning anyone to death

Enslaving females, etc. as barbaric, what adjective do you find appropriate to describe the acts.....odd ?...unusual ?...strange ?....

Would you go so far as to call them inappropriate....
 
i would be more apt to believe the "report" if it wasn't so lopsided with democrats. also, they didn't interview witnesses, something i think would be crucial in making an informed opinion.
 
i would be more apt to believe the "report" if it wasn't so lopsided with democrats. also, they didn't interview witnesses, something i think would be crucial in making an informed opinion.

The military says much the same thing about torture.

Writing under the pseudonym of Matthew Alexander, a former special intelligence operations officer, who in 1996 led an interrogations team in Iraq, has written a compelling book where he details his direct experience with torture practices. He conducted more than 300 interrogations and supervised more than a thousand and was awarded a Bronze Star for his achievements in Iraq. Alexander's nonviolent interrogation methods led Special Forces to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. His new book is titled "How to Break a Terrorist: The US Interrogators Who Used Brains, Not Brutality, to Take Down the Deadliest Man in Iraq."
"It's extremely ineffective, and it's counterproductive to what we're trying to accomplish," he told reporters. "When we torture somebody, it hardens their resolve," Alexander explained. "The information that you get is unreliable ... And even if you do get reliable information, you're able to stop a terrorist attack, Al-Qaeda's then going to use the fact that we torture people to recruit new members." Alexander says torture techniques used in Iraq consistently failed to produce actionable intelligence and that methods outlined in the US Army Field Manual, which rest on confidence building, consistently worked and gave the interrogators access to critical information.

http://www.military.com/news/article/exinterrogator-torture-doesnt--work.html
 
tom...i believe torture doesn't work. what i doubt is the specific "torture" referred to here. and i'm not basing this on my opinion alone, rather, statements made by others in the admin at the time.

my point: if the report was done by pubs....you and other liberals would decry the report if it said this specific form of torture worked. all i'm saying is, i would believe the report, if it was done by more of a non partisan group. iirc....the specific form of torture was used on 3 people, i think the article mentions that, that is hardly a scientific accepted group.
 
Of course Leon Panetta says otherwise....that "enhanced interrogation" was responsible for getting OBL .........

I've no doubt that a Democratic Senate would find that not so.....that would be like admitting GWB was right and that is never gonna happen....

Only a gullible fool would believe it doesn't work when used by expert interrogators...........

So how many times was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tortured?
 
So how many times was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tortured?

I don't know and certainly don't care....if it was up to me, the terrorist fuck would be dead 5 seconds after I see him....

I love these guys that say torture doesn't work.....give me a couple days with you and I'll have you telling me everything you ever did or know or remember......

you actually think you can't be broken....your 'resolve' will win out ?....Get fuckin' real.....
 
I don't know and certainly don't care....if it was up to me, the terrorist fuck would be dead 5 seconds after I see him....

I love these guys that say torture doesn't work.....give me a couple days with you and I'll have you telling me everything you ever did or know or remember......

you actually don't think you can't be broken....your 'resolve' will win out ?....Get fuckin' real.....

do you actually believe beating someone senseless will produce reliable information?
 
I don't know and certainly don't care....if it was up to me, the terrorist fuck would be dead 5 seconds after I see him....

I love these guys that say torture doesn't work.....give me a couple days with you and I'll have you telling me everything you ever did or know or remember......

you actually think you can't be broken....your 'resolve' will win out ?....Get fuckin' real.....

Reportedly 183 times. And he didn't break.
 
It's from the Justice Department but if you'd rather believe your right-wing masters... :dunno:.


Leon Panetta is not anyones master, left or right, you partisan fool......Hes is one Democrat I actually believe in this matter.....he was or is in a position to know

You, on the other hand, don't fuckin' know your ass from Obama, the other ass...........

How long would you hold out ?
 
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