Christianity is on the decline in America.

wiseones2cents said:
Any links to back that? Agnostics are not necessarily Atheists and neither are secularists. The freemasons were heading the secularist movement. And they were challenging the dogma's of the religion(not necessarily Scripture but the Church's interpretation of Scripture). Many of which were Jewish who seen the Catholic Church as a threat to their beliefs. Once they weakened the Church's authority? Like Napoleon did? They were able to take over. Though the Church still maintained a level of influence with the French people, so Napoleon had to bargain with them.
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Yes, you are correct and I have no link, only books that I have read on the subject matter.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I doubt "it was all man made". Even though I do not belong to any Christian denomination, I still consider myself a Christian and value the principles preached in the Gospel. Jesus is till the ultimate role model of all humanity. The problem is man interprets Scripture to their advantage(The leadership) and not as it was intended to be interpreted at the time(for the people). Same thing with the American constitution.
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You are entitled to your beliefs, I just have read enough to convince me that, yes, Jesus was a good man who rebelled against the precepts of his time, and brought a new way of thinking to the Jews, but I do not believe in the "supernatural" tenets of Christianity. I think there are many great teaching ps of Jesus, but I believe there are also many great teaches from other sources. I do not believe in the Bible god(s).
 
wiseones2cents said:
Exactly. If people were realizing that back then? By now no one would be identifying themselves with religion and that is not the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
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It is because people have been devolving. Fear and ignorance are claiming the human population once again. You just have to look at the leadership, the entertainment and the social ills to realize this. The dumber a population, the greater it longs to a religion and a belief in a supernatural being that will cure its ills.
 
Rana said:
Yes, you are correct and I have no link, only books that I have read on the subject matter.
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Hate to tell you this but books have biased slants of history. Meaning they are not all totally accurate. I think it was Napoleon that said history(recordings of) are nothing but agreed upon lies.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Hate to tell you this but books have biased slants of history. Meaning they are not all totally accurate. I think it was Napoleon that said history(recordings of) are nothing but agreed upon lies.
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Yet, you rely on them for your knowledge of history, because I know you didn't get it first hand.
 
Rana said:
It is because people have been devolving. Fear and ignorance are claiming the human population once again. You just have to look at the leadership, the entertainment and the social ills to realize this. The dumber a population, the greater it longs to a religion and a belief in a supernatural being that will cure its ills.
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Sorry but your beliefs are not supported by realities. Sure Europe's moral decline has been in the works longer then America. Though to suggest that atheists had the power to bring about any change in Europe is absurd. Unless those atheists were hiding behind a religion and being bank rolled by a religion. Think hard.

Yes the dumbification of America has been going on for decades. This is not part of the Religious agenda but of the Elite agenda. Who happen to be atheists that have the religious leaders in their pockets. Dumb people are easier to control and manipulate.

Smart people in America would realize that they are in fact enslaved and rise up like the newly educated folks in the middle east/Northern Africa.

The part that religion plays in all this is to help keep the masses subdued to a corrupt government using mis-interpreted Scripture verses. Like keep in subjection to the authority. Not knowing all that is good in their history is about revolution and rejecting authority. Rising up against corrupt rule. The French revolution, American Revolution, The reformation, ect...Now the masses are fooled to believe that democracy brings change when all it is, is meet the new boss same as the old boss, because regardless who is elected? Those who America is in debt to always call the shots. And those are the global elites.

Religion brings hope to people, but in the end? If you look at history? When they get tired of waiting for Jesus? They rise up.

Truth is? The Spirit of Jesus has been with us all along. Though it is corrupt religious leaders that have hampered the growth of the Kingdom.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Sorry but your beliefs are not supported by realities. Sure Europe's moral decline has been in the works longer then America. Though to suggest that atheists had the power to bring about any change in Europe is absurd. Unless those atheists were hiding behind a religion and being bank rolled by a religion. Think hard.

Yes the dumbification of America has been going on for decades. This is not part of the Religious agenda but of the Elite agenda. Who happen to be atheists that have the religious leaders in their pockets. Dumb people are easier to control and manipulate.

Smart people in America would realize that they are in fact enslaved and rise up like the newly educated folks in the middle east/Northern Africa.

The part that religion plays in all this is to help keep the masses subdued to a corrupt government using mis-interpreted Scripture verses. Like keep in subjection to the authority. Not knowing all that is good in their history is about revolution and rejecting authority. Rising up against corrupt rule. The French revolution, American Revolution, The reformation, ect...Now the masses are fooled to believe that democracy brings change when all it is, is meet the new boss same as the old boss, because regardless who is elected? Those who America is in debt to always call the shots. And those are the global elites.

Religion brings hope to people, but in the end? If you look at history? When they get tired of waiting for Jesus? They rise up.

Truth is? The Spirit of Jesus has been with us all along. Though it is corrupt religious leaders that have hampered the growth of the Kingdom.
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Well, we will have to agree to disagree because I think Jesus is just a man and god is Santa Claus for adults.
 
Rana said:
Yet, you rely on them for your knowledge of history, because I know you didn't get it first hand.
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Yes I do reference History books because there is nothing else we have.Though I research more then one. I also have an uncanny ability to detect when something makes sense or is made up. Basically discern through all the mis-information and recognize what is true and not.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yes I do reference History books because there is nothing else we have.Though I research more then one. I also have an uncanny ability to detect when something makes sense or is made up. Basically discern through all the mis-information and recognize what is true and not.
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Well, aren't you something...why don't you rule the world? Those are very impressive abilities. Why are you wasting your time on a message board ? With those powers you should be doing great things!

Good luck with your mental super powers, but I don't share your "realities" and think Christianity is a fabrication. You haven't shown me any of your truths that would change my mind.
 
Rana said:
Well, we will have to agree to disagree because I think Jesus is just a man and god is Santa Claus for adults.
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No man I ever spoke to ever said words that even closely moved me as the words of Jesus do. AHhh you are no longer a Christian or a Theist?lol Although My GOD may differ from mainstream beliefs of GOD? My GOD is very real to me. Our reality is possible via a universal energy. The source and the energy itself to me is what I identify with GOD. I also feel that I am somewhat connected to this energy. I feel that the world around us is communicating to us on so many levels and it is up to us to understand what it is saying. And I believe there is a singular/central origin to it all.

There is also a possibility that some of the Angels spoken of in Scripture are in fact Aliens. And their reference to them with wings is actually via space crafts. I believe it is possible that a superior intelligence is the reason man was able to evolve in the way that it did. If so, the question is.....Who sent these aliens. Do they have a Leader a Lord?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yes I do reference History books because there is nothing else we have.Though I research more then one. I also have an uncanny ability to detect when something makes sense or is made up. Basically discern through all the mis-information and recognize what is true and not.
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Thats quite a talent......I'm certainly gonna pay more attention to your musings from now on......

I wish I had the same ability......I believe everything I hear on the Chris Matthews show and Keith Olbermann.....
and everything I read on 'media matters' and the "huffington Post".......lol
 
Rana said:
Well, aren't you something...why don't you rule the world? Those are very impressive abilities. Why are you wasting your time on a message board ? With those powers you should be doing great things!

Good luck with your mental super powers, but I don't share your "realities" and think Christianity is a fabrication. You haven't shown me any of your truths that would change my mind.
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And I thought Jarod and Apple were bat shit.....I take it all back.
 
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