Dixe; Obama ran on not being Bush and won.
Some are still in the dark on Obama
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Dixe; Obama ran on not being Bush and won.
Any one the slightest bit less rightwing than you is a liberal? SuperfreaK A LIBERAL? That's pretty laughable Dixie, even for you.
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dixie has called me a liberal several times....
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, runed... you are the one who is laughable. All you did was come in here and reel off three posts of sarcasm and ass-holiness. None of the questions I posed was answered, none of the ideas I presented was addressed, none of the points I made were refuted.... just three posts worth of you acting like a typical liberal jackass.
'Nuff said!
'Nuff said!
apple0154
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The reason those people will be without insurance will be corrected when the full policy takes effect. Everyone will be able to get insurance, some with government subsidy. So, in the future, people will have insurance regardless whether they lose their job. That problem will be solved, permanently.
As for the massive increase in premiums that will also be addressed when everyone pays into the pot; the individual mandate.
It's three years since the conception of ObamaCare. Three years to implement a program. Three years to change a system that has been in operation for an eternity. Three years to implement changes while half of Congress fight to prevent it. Just imagine how far along things would be if a governmnet mandate had been included and State Governors supported the plan and Congressional members were on board.
You can thank the Republicans for the "clusterfuck from Day 1". That was their plan. That is always their plan when it comes to social programs. Make them as inefficient as possible so they can claim they don't work and then get rid of them. Well, the good news is Obama will get a second term and then you'll see programs put into effect. He learned a lesson. If he gets a majority he'll just ignore the Republicans next time. Then you'll see all the change anyone could possibly hope for.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Yeah? Well let me ask your flip-flopping ass something, Yurt? Are you on SF's side in this? Do you think the liberals need more of our money to throw at mythical infrastructure jobs? Is that our problem? Should our government be taking more of our income to fund massive bureaucratic government programs, or should they allow the private sector and capitalism to do what they do best, and leave infrastructure projects to state and local government's like they always have been?
Weigh in on it, because I'd like to know what another supposed 'moderate' has to say... does Obama need more money to create government-funded jobs for us, or what??
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Shut up, Apple... you are delusional and dreaming.
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dixie:
i have requested several times that you back up your claim that i flip flopped. to date, you have produced -- zero.
i would weigh in on your discussion with SF, but honestly, i have no idea where you two are in the conversation. do you want me to only address the points you raised above? seems to me that if i did so, it would leave out much of the actual debate.
I responded to one of your points, posted some alternate points, and wised off in the 3rd post, which you have to admit had a lot of truth to it.
If you want good responses, brief salient points would be in order.
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Exactly.
That explaines what tipped Dixie's apple cart.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Sorry, I assumed you had read the thread and were keeping up. Well, basically, SF came up with the brilliant idea that the Fed needs to launch a massive program to build bridges and roads across America! You know, the "shovel ready jobs" idea that Obama ran for president on, and Congress gave him the money to do, but then he realized there weren't any "shovel ready jobs" out there? Well see, SF says they were out there, they just weren't ready to accept the money and start working yet.... we don't know why. My take has been, this was a disaster the first time, and doing more of it and expecting a different result, would be insane. It's not the Fed's job to build roads and bridges in my community, that is my state and local government's job and they should do that when I tell them it needs doing, not when the Feds want to create make-shift jobs.
SF then proposed we embark on transitioning us to alternative energy... another proposal from the 2008 Obama campaign that has already been tried and FAILED. SF thinks we need to 'invest' trillions of dollars into companies like Solyndra, because that will create new jobs! My take, is that the Feds could simply announce all government vehicles are converting to NG by 2018, and let entrepreneurship and capitalists in the free market take care of the rest. My idea is a whole lot cheaper, and would actually work. SF's proposal was attempted already by Obama, and it produced Solyndra... and The Volt!!
apple0154
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Just as I thought. You can't defend the Republican's deliberate attempt to sabotage social programs.
That's OK. They're getting left in the dust bin anyway.
I do have to admit they put on quite a spectacle during the debates.
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Just as I thought. You can't defend the Republican's deliberate attempt to sabotage social programs. That's OK. They're getting left in the dust bin anyway.
Booing a gay soldier and applauding death were pretty illuminating.
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Shaken, not stirred!
Put it to you this way.....save for one incidence, the American public has had the choice of Presidents and Congress of the lesser of two evils in the last 30 years or so. What makes the right wing onslaught on Obama stand out is the sheer hypocrisy and blatant lying in lieu of 8 years of the Shrub's reaganomics on steriods.
Dixie's delusion's are just a rehash of all the neocon/teabagger talking points put out by Rove/Limbaugh/Kristol and the rest of the neocon/teabagger cabal since the 2008 campaign. You can waste time and effort taking apart this bilge point for point to no avail, because jokers like Dixie will just ignore the FACTS that don't jibe with their propaganda and repeat it ad nauseum.
Here's the thing: In 2010 "independents" and "progressives" along with self proclaimed liberals and registered Democrats annouced that they would not vote in protest of what they saw as Obama's and the Democratic Congress/Senate failure to deliver on campaign promises.....or more to the point the capitulatory attitude regarding what legislation they did pass at the time. Well, the actions of the neocon/teabagger Republicans that gained a majority in the House along with similar gains in several State gov'ts has taught them a hard lesson....and I don't think they will be fooled again. The trick will be to make sure the Dems know that if they don't straighten up and fly right, they'll be out on their asses again.
Third Party anyone?
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On the other hand, Cain ran on not being Obama and lost.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
What's truly pathetic is our local neocon/teabagger (and throw in SOME libertarian lunkheads) sheer denial of the debacle inherited by the Obama administration and the ADVOCATED goal of the GOP to keep Obama from being elected...their actions being to BLOCK any positive legislation from the Dems and Obama. Let's just quickly review the facts:
1) The last of Bush's economic policies went into effect in 2009. We're talking reaganomics on steriods here, and 8 years of that SCREWED this country.
2) Obama put the cost of an ELECTED war (Iraq) and a military response (Afghanistan) onto the national budget...something the Shrub & company purposely kept off....and that wasn't pretty!
3) Outsourcing and downsizing by major commercial corporations abounded under the Shrub....and those same company lobbyist are making sure the GOP try and block any gov't regulation or action that would curtail this practice. Case in point: GOP opposition to gov't tax incentives for small and large companies to start jobs here in America using American labor.
4) Health Care Reform as it stands essentially brings insurance companies to task for their sleazy tactics (see testimonies by Dr. Peelo and Wendell Potter). All the bellyaching about companies being "forced" to buy health insurance for their employees is a joke, as companies that currently do so on any level can and do receive gov't compensation for such based on the size of their company. Basically it's giving working people who bring home a paycheck CHOICE of a better plan, and puts money in the national coffers to cover the emergency care budgets of states for all the poor people who cannot afford health insurance. Health Care Reform won't fully come into effect for another year and a half!
5) Like it or not, MANY THOUSANDS of jobs in the auto industry were SAVED by the Obama industry....period. This means those thousands had money to go out and buy stuff, keep local business open, etc., etc.
6) You now have a concerted effort to take care of the troops that come home wounded and facing a screwed up economy....as opposed to parents having to purchase body armor and UPS it to their kids on the front line.
Just a few things.
1) The last of Bush's economic policies went into effect in 2009. We're talking reaganomics on steriods here, and 8 years of that SCREWED this country.
2) Obama put the cost of an ELECTED war (Iraq) and a military response (Afghanistan) onto the national budget...something the Shrub & company purposely kept off....and that wasn't pretty!
3) Outsourcing and downsizing by major commercial corporations abounded under the Shrub....and those same company lobbyist are making sure the GOP try and block any gov't regulation or action that would curtail this practice. Case in point: GOP opposition to gov't tax incentives for small and large companies to start jobs here in America using American labor.
4) Health Care Reform as it stands essentially brings insurance companies to task for their sleazy tactics (see testimonies by Dr. Peelo and Wendell Potter). All the bellyaching about companies being "forced" to buy health insurance for their employees is a joke, as companies that currently do so on any level can and do receive gov't compensation for such based on the size of their company. Basically it's giving working people who bring home a paycheck CHOICE of a better plan, and puts money in the national coffers to cover the emergency care budgets of states for all the poor people who cannot afford health insurance. Health Care Reform won't fully come into effect for another year and a half!
5) Like it or not, MANY THOUSANDS of jobs in the auto industry were SAVED by the Obama industry....period. This means those thousands had money to go out and buy stuff, keep local business open, etc., etc.
6) You now have a concerted effort to take care of the troops that come home wounded and facing a screwed up economy....as opposed to parents having to purchase body armor and UPS it to their kids on the front line.
Just a few things.
apple0154
MEOW
After witnessing the behavior of the typical Republican, on National TV no less, I suppose the behavior of those here is not all that aberrant.