Have the Wingnuts and Tea baggers had their day?

midcan5 said:
The tea party is that odd coalition of conservatives, libertarians, racists, neocons, single issue voters, and whiners that has always made up the republican party. A few were added after LBJ. Today money controls the dialogue, consider that seed money for these whiners came from corporate sources who preach all we need is lower taxes and nirvana will follow. If brain cells were involved, Bush II's failure would show then the folly of lower taxes, but belief is not often based on reason. Add right wing radio, corporate supported think tanks, and Fox media and is it any wonder some would vote for candidates whose only interest is greed while screwing them. One could look at them as cheery masochists. The tea party members in congress are among the dumbest in American history, but they repeat the words their corporate sponsors give them and the righties follow as children do. Republicans follow their leaders and their leaders lead them nowhere, for real change is anathema.
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I quoted you just to read all that again, mc5. You have a wonderfully cheery and accurate view of the reality most republicans refuse to recognize as they proceed along their ignorant ways voting against themselves and creating as much self matching misery as possible.
 
Derp Derp said:
Romney has never faced anything like this though. Granted, he is qualified and he is a competent executive, unlike Bush, so I don't fear his being elected as I did Bush (and we all know what a catastrophe Bush turned out to be.) I also agree with you that Mitt's no Herman Cain but will he be able to manage the pressure cooker of this campaign and stay on message. Hell....will he have a message? So far his message "Vote for me. I'm not Obama and I'll be whomever you want me to be.".

He won't win that way. Romney needs to come storming back towards the center of American politics and though attacks on his opponent are expected, he needs to develop a distinct message. Something he has yet to produce. This election is going to boil down to the 11 swing States. With the exception of a few States, the southern and rural west States will hold their nose and vote Romney. The opposite is true on the Pacific Coast, and North East and most of the great lakes region.

Romney is going to have to do things that will piss of the wingnuts of his party to win. He's going to have to soften the parties stance on immigration reform to win Florida. Romney can't afford to lose Florida but Republican parties immigration platform has alienated a traditionally Republican constituency. Romney can regain that by softening the Republican stance on immigration reform. The Webways of the world won't like that but fuck them. After the nomination their influence won't mean a lot.

The three most important States in this election, the ones that will determine who our next President is, will be Ohio, PA and Florida. Whichever Candidate wins two of those States will be our next President and Romney can't win any of those States with a right wing platform.

So developing a consistent message for independents and swing voters of these three States is what is critical for Romney right now and that's where I'd be worried if I was a Romney supporter. He doesn't have the organization in place that Obama does nor does he have a consistent message like Obama and it shoes in the polls in those three States where Romney is significantly behind Obama in all three of those States.
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Unless you've been a Presidential nominee for a Party previously no one has experienced what its like to go through a Presidential race before you go through it. You bring up Perot but again what office had he ever held before?
 
cawacko said:
Unless you've been a Presidential nominee for a Party previously no one has experienced what its like to go through a Presidential race before you go through it. You bring up Perot but again what office had he ever held before?
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That is probably less of a concern then his lack of a message.

The most accurate description of Romney so far is this joke;

A conservative, a moderate and a liberal walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hi Mitt!"
 
Runed said:
:rofl: So now being a losing candidate for six years prepares one for the presidencey?
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My God, I wish you'd fucking learn how to read! That is NOT what I said. (I feel like I have to say this every time I post something these days!)
What the fuck is the matter with you people? Are you on some kind of drug that fucks with your reading comprehension skills or what? The conversation was about Romney's experience in POLITICS and I would think that if someone had been running for president for 6 years, they probably know a little more than the average person about PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS. Not claiming that's documented fact somewhere on the Internet, I don't know... just my common sense and conventional wisdom tells me, 6 years running a national campaign is better political experience than nothing.

Now Runed will probably interpret this as me claiming that Romney isn't prepared to be president!


Fucking RETARD!
 
Derp Derp said:
That is probably less of a concern then his lack of a message.

The most accurate description of Romney so far is this joke;

A conservative, a moderate and a liberal walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hi Mitt!"
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So what better type of candidate than one who appeals across a broad spectrum? Are you saying we should have nominated someone who only appeals to the extremists? The "message" has been written already by the current administration, Mitt just has to utilize it. He will.
 
Dixie said:
So what better type of candidate than one who appeals across a broad spectrum? Are you saying we should have nominated someone who only appeals to the extremists? The "message" has been written already by the current administration, Mitt just has to utilize it. He will.
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LOL, I remember when you were declaring your loyalty to Spermin' Herman....
 
Dixie said:
So what better type of candidate than one who appeals across a broad spectrum? Are you saying we should have nominated someone who only appeals to the extremists? The "message" has been written already by the current administration, Mitt just has to utilize it. He will.
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There's a big difference between having a message and being an extremist Dixie.
 
Dixie said:
My God, I wish you'd fucking learn how to read! That is NOT what I said. (I feel like I have to say this every time I post something these days!)
What the fuck is the matter with you people? Are you on some kind of drug that fucks with your reading comprehension skills or what? The conversation was about Romney's experience in POLITICS and I would think that if someone had been running for president for 6 years, they probably know a little more than the average person about PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS. Not claiming that's documented fact somewhere on the Internet, I don't know... just my common sense and conventional wisdom tells me, 6 years running a national campaign is better political experience than nothing.

Now Runed will probably interpret this as me claiming that Romney isn't prepared to be president!


Fucking RETARD!
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dune is a troll....hence his post
 
Dixie said:
My God, I wish you'd fucking learn how to read! That is NOT what I said. (I feel like I have to say this every time I post something these days!)
What the fuck is the matter with you people? Are you on some kind of drug that fucks with your reading comprehension skills or what? The conversation was about Romney's experience in POLITICS and I would think that if someone had been running for president for 6 years, they probably know a little more than the average person about PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS. Not claiming that's documented fact somewhere on the Internet, I don't know... just my common sense and conventional wisdom tells me, 6 years running a national campaign is better political experience than nothing.

Now Runed will probably interpret this as me claiming that Romney isn't prepared to be president!


Fucking RETARD!
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Like Yurt said that poster is a troll. His whole M.O. is to misrepresent what you say which is why it is impossible to have a conversation with him and leaves you banging your head against a wall. Ignore was invented for posters like him.
 
Derp Derp said:
There's a big difference between having a message and being an extremist Dixie.
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I never said there wasn't. But you are claiming Mitt lacks a message, not me. I think Mitt's message is; Are you better off than 4 years ago? ..Pretty dang simple, eh? Mitt is someone who clearly understands business, which Obama seems to be totally clueless on. Seems like maybe there is a message there, don't you think? And somehow, this fella managed to win the governorship in state bluer than any, so apparently he knows the code of how to keep them from burning effigies of him and calling him Hitler... that's a step up for us! It helps to win them over if they don't turn you into the Liberal Antichrist, so he has that going for him.

Let's be clear, we have not gotten into the GOP vs. Democrat race for president. None of Mitt Romney's speeches have been geared toward the campaign against Obama. Of course, he has had things to say about Obama, but his campaign has been to win the Republican nomination over a host of other candidates, up to this point. AFTER the Convention, you will then begin to hear "a message" from Romney. What you perceive as "the message" is what comes from "the platform" at the Convention. Much of that is still to be determined, as political factions within the party broker power through delegates and what not... it's a long process, and it all takes time to formulate and coalesce into "a message" for your consumption.

Likely, the message will include an economic plan which addresses the problems with the debt and deficits, as well as long-term problems with SS and Medicare. It will include some kind of plan to bring jobs back to America. It will focus strongly on energy independence. I say these things because I think those are pretty much universal areas all Republicans agree on, and can adopt as part of a platform. Repeal of Obamacare being another. But the important thing to remember is, whatever "message" they come up with, it all boils down to whether you are better off than 4 years ago.
 
I am MUCH better off than I was 3.5 years ago and I see no future in returning to the disastrous economic policies that put me into such a quandary then. President Barack Hussein Obama was handed a box of rotten lemons. Somehow he has managed to make an appealing lemonade wine with them.
 
cawacko said:
Like Yurt said that poster is a troll. His whole M.O. is to misrepresent what you say which is why it is impossible to have a conversation with him and leaves you banging your head against a wall. Ignore was invented for posters like him.
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You know this how? When have you ever attempted to have a conversation with me?
 
Rune said:
You know this how? When have you ever attempted to have a conversation with me?
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Don't take it personally, Rune. yurt is clinically schizo and has no idea of her denials and projection. Meds don't seem to be helping her. She pisses down one leg and wipes it off on the other.
 
Gatorman said:
Don't take it personally, Rune. yurt is clinically schizo and has no idea of her denials and projection. Meds don't seem to be helping her. She pisses down one leg and wipes it off on the other.
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I couldn't give a fuck about yurt one way or the other. Yurt is a paid shill for the GOP. Lies are his stock in trade.
What bothers me is Cawacko, who is held up to be a decent guy, who constantly belittles me in public simply because two bitches who have both since been banned decided I was a troll. He supposedly never reads what I write yet has the balls to critizise me.
 
Rune said:
I couldn't give a fuck about yurt one way or the other. Yurt is a paid shill for the GOP. Lies are his stock in trade.
What bothers me is Cawacko, who is held up to be a decent guy, who constantly belittles me in public simply because two bitches who have both since been banned decided I was a troll. He supposedly never reads what I write yet has the balls to critizise me.
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You are certainly no troll but that doesn't mean much coming from me, an oft criticized poster of a trollish reputation.

:lol:
 
Dixie said:
I never said there wasn't. But you are claiming Mitt lacks a message, not me. I think Mitt's message is; Are you better off than 4 years ago? ..Pretty dang simple, eh? Mitt is someone who clearly understands business, which Obama seems to be totally clueless on. Seems like maybe there is a message there, don't you think? And somehow, this fella managed to win the governorship in state bluer than any, so apparently he knows the code of how to keep them from burning effigies of him and calling him Hitler... that's a step up for us! It helps to win them over if they don't turn you into the Liberal Antichrist, so he has that going for him.

Let's be clear, we have not gotten into the GOP vs. Democrat race for president. None of Mitt Romney's speeches have been geared toward the campaign against Obama. Of course, he has had things to say about Obama, but his campaign has been to win the Republican nomination over a host of other candidates, up to this point. AFTER the Convention, you will then begin to hear "a message" from Romney. What you perceive as "the message" is what comes from "the platform" at the Convention. Much of that is still to be determined, as political factions within the party broker power through delegates and what not... it's a long process, and it all takes time to formulate and coalesce into "a message" for your consumption.

Likely, the message will include an economic plan which addresses the problems with the debt and deficits, as well as long-term problems with SS and Medicare. It will include some kind of plan to bring jobs back to America. It will focus strongly on energy independence. I say these things because I think those are pretty much universal areas all Republicans agree on, and can adopt as part of a platform. Repeal of Obamacare being another. But the important thing to remember is, whatever "message" they come up with, it all boils down to whether you are better off than 4 years ago.
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That's a stupid message. The overwhelming majority of people are going to say HELL YES! After the catastrophe that was the George W. Bush presidency were light years better. Do things still need to improve and are we a long way from being there, sure but has anyone forgotten who the fuck ups were that got us into this shit hole to begin with?
 
Derp Derp said:
I don't think Mitt will do it. I Think Mitt suffers from the delusion that many business magnates make that enter politics. That success in business translates to success in politics. After all he has plenty of mothers milk (money) but inevitably there autocratic nature trips them up.
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Well, in business, you are surrounded by people who want to win and be successful. In politics, you are accountable to a bunch of proles who don't appreciate success, and only ever rise to the occasion when it involves weakening their country. :cof1:
 
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