Black-on-black victims could fill our stadiums

Can you blame these white people for anything?

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Aoxomoxoa said:
I am reminded of the speech given by Bill Cosby to the NAACP in 2004.

We Can't Blame White People


by BILL COSBY

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.

I can't even talk the way these people talk:

Why you ain't,

Where you is,

What he drive,

Where he stay,

Where he work,

Who you be..

And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads.

You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an educatio! n, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Wh ere were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?

Isn't it a ! sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans.
Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back.

People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs.
We as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.
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I'm sorry, but yes "we can". As much as I adore Bill Cosby, and have, through the years, as there is a familial connection to him, I was more moved by Dr. Michael Eric Dyson's "dust up" of him, in his tome, "Is Bill Cosby right? Or Has the Black Middle Class Lost Its Mind?", in which he counters Bill Cosby's "throwing blacks under the bus", to save his image with whites. Very self-serving, indeed.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681419
 
Yurt said:
if he is using the numbers like i did, it is merely to show that the rhetoric there is some war against blacks by whites is completely false.

that poet doesn't trust the numbers because they were compiled by white people, is again proof he is racist.
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Well I certainly understand Poet's sensitivity. I grew up and lived a significant part of my life in rural white America and I know just how virulent racism is towards black Americans to this day in large parts of this nation. I'm not niave about that. The days of officials looking the other ways while blacks are lynched may be over but that doesn't mean that the problem does not exist. Though I do not think it's legitimate to discount statistics based on the race of the statisticians I do understand Poet's sensitivity given the well established fact that in the recent past statistics were used to justify discrimination against minorities.
 
poet said:
I'm sorry, but yes "we can". As much as I adore Bill Cosby, and have, through the years, as there is a familial connection to him, I was more moved by Dr. Michael Eric Dyson's "dust up" of him, in his tome, "Is Bill Cosby right? Or Has the Black Middle Class Lost Its Mind?", in which he counters Bill Cosby's "throwing blacks under the bus", to save his image with whites. Very self-serving, indeed.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681419
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I think they both have points. One cannot underestimate the impact that institutionalized racism has had on black Americans and its culture and the perception white Americans have towards blacks. It's a big problem that's not gone away. Polling data on how black men are percieved clearly shows this.

Having said that, Bill Cosby certainly has a point. Given the opportunity an individual must hold themselves accountable as individuals for their own personall development. Though what Cosby said is just as applicable to trailer park hillbilly's as it is to urban ghetto hoods.

What makes me pause to listen to both men is the impression I get that white folk want to hear Dyson's comments on this topic about as much as black folk want to hear Cosby on this topic. Which means they both are probably speacking ugly truths that have validity.
 
Derp Derp said:
I think they both have points. One cannot underestimate the impact that institutionalized racism has had on black Americans and its culture and the perception white Americans have towards blacks. It's a big problem that's not gone away. Polling data on how black men are percieved clearly shows this.

Having said that, Bill Cosby certainly has a point. Given the opportunity an individual must hold themselves accountable as individuals for their own personall development. Though what Cosby said is just as applicable to trailer park hillbilly's as it is to urban ghetto hoods.

What makes me pause to listen to both men is the impression I get that white folk want to hear Dyson's comments on this topic about as much as black folk want to hear Cosby on this topic. Which means they both are probably speacking ugly truths that have validity.
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I'll grant you that, and agree with reservations.
 
poet said:
I'm sure a large percentage are, if they are compiling statistics which "automatically" paint blacks in a negative light. They are serving an agenda, which benefits white people.
It certainly doesn't benefit black people. The question is : are the statistics accurate and true. And who is saying that they are accurate and true. And why.
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so without bothering to go through any part of whatever study is presented, you automatically assume that the researchers are white and they are liars, based simply on the premise that they paint blacks in a negative light.......and you're not a racist? bullshit.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
so without bothering to go through any part of whatever study is presented, you automatically assume that the researchers are white and they are liars, based simply on the premise that they paint blacks in a negative light.......and you're not a racist? bullshit.
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Darling. Are you serious. A study which says that an entire race of people have more criminal behavior, are less intelligent, are disproportionally dependent on handouts, and are being brainwashed by the Democratic Party making them suppliants is the bullshit. I'm sorry if you're willing to believe the lie that everything white people think, do, or believe is right, just and kosher, and, me, saying so, makes me a racist. Really, I am.
 
cawacko said:
Am I reading your chart #1 wrong when I see it saying 94% of murders in the black community were committed by other blacks whereas Webbway's post said 93%?
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I wouldn't know, as I didn't compile the chart. It's not mine. What's your point?
 
Derp Derp said:
I think they both have points. One cannot underestimate the impact that institutionalized racism has had on black Americans and its culture and the perception white Americans have towards blacks. It's a big problem that's not gone away. Polling data on how black men are percieved clearly shows this.

Having said that, Bill Cosby certainly has a point. Given the opportunity an individual must hold themselves accountable as individuals for their own personall development. Though what Cosby said is just as applicable to trailer park hillbilly's as it is to urban ghetto hoods.

What makes me pause to listen to both men is the impression I get that white folk want to hear Dyson's comments on this topic about as much as black folk want to hear Cosby on this topic. Which means they both are probably speacking ugly truths that have validity.
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Cosby was spot on. Parents of all races need to step up their game. I'm also aware that the black community often doesn't like to 'air their dirty laundry' in public for white people to see but hopefully Cosby's preaching will have some positive results which is a benefit to all people.
 
poet said:
I wouldn't know, as I didn't compile the chart. It's not mine. What's your point?
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It looked to me that the number Webbway used was accurate. Your chart showed statistics with whites killing whites arguing that most murders are INTRAracial.
 
cawacko said:
It looked to me that the number Webbway used was accurate. Your chart showed statistics with whites killing whites arguing that most murders are INTRAracial.
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Yes. And what of it? Most murders are intraracial. The article addressed the myths attached to race.
 
Derp Derp said:
Well I certainly understand Poet's sensitivity. I grew up and lived a significant part of my life in rural white America and I know just how virulent racism is towards black Americans to this day in large parts of this nation. I'm not niave about that. The days of officials looking the other ways while blacks are lynched may be over but that doesn't mean that the problem does not exist. Though I do not think it's legitimate to discount statistics based on the race of the statisticians I do understand Poet's sensitivity given the well established fact that in the recent past statistics were used to justify discrimination against minorities.
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derp....wake up. poet posted stats that were identical to the stats WW posted.

this bullshit about sensitivity is intellectually dishonest. you would never back up white racism with the same talk. what is wrong with you?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am reminded of the speech given by Bill Cosby to the NAACP in 2004.

We Can't Blame White People


by BILL COSBY

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.

I can't even talk the way these people talk:

Why you ain't,

Where you is,

What he drive,

Where he stay,

Where he work,

Who you be..

And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads.

You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an educatio! n, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Wh ere were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?

Isn't it a ! sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans.
Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back.

People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs.
We as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.
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Poet will now call Cosby a sell out, or a step-n-fetch it; but the truth is, Cosby is correct.
At what point does the "victim" begin to take responsibility for their OWN FUTURE?
 
poet said:
I wouldn't know, as I didn't compile the chart. It's not mine. What's your point?
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You forgot to add that you didn't even bother looking at it, to see what it said, and that you just posted it, in the hope that it would counter Webway's post.
 
cawacko said:
Cosby was spot on. Parents of all races need to step up their game. I'm also aware that the black community often doesn't like to 'air their dirty laundry' in public for white people to see but hopefully Cosby's preaching will have some positive results which is a benefit to all people.
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As I was growing up, I had distant relatives who had emmigrated from Germany.
Both parents spoke German; but prohibited their children from speaking it, unless it was necessary.
They demanded that the children learn English, speak it at home, and they were to teach their parents it also.
When asked why they didn't want the children speaking German; they said that the children were living in America, not Germany, and if they were going to succeed, then they needed to learn how to communicate clearly.
They were just simple farmers; but the last I knew, all 3 of the children went on to College and were quite successfull.
 
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