Did 'stand your ground' self-defense motivate more hate crimes?

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SmarterThanYou said:
first off, I couldn't care less whether you're woman or man. I do my best to educate ANYONE on gun laws, so YOU stuff it. this gender discrimination crap from you is almost as bad as poets racism shit. secondly, the 300% increase is most likely a result of homeowners or citizens in public no longer having to second guess 'duty to retreat' laws in defending themselves from robber, rape, or murder, for fear of becoming a victim of the judicial system. this is not a bad thing despite the occasional person that uses it to criminal advantage. thirdly, do you have an answer to my question of 'is one case of a person being charged with a crime for lawful self defense a valid enough situation in your mind to justify a stand your ground law'?

can you or will you answer that?
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Yeah, you're just the person to "educate" everyone on the subject.

" the 300% increase is most likely a result of homeowners or citizens in public no longer having to second guess 'duty to retreat' laws in defending themselves from robber, rape, or murder, for fear of becoming a victim of the judicial system."

So I was correct in my initial post that it had nothing to do with home intruders and you threw up a bunch of bullshit to divert from that. Cool. That's all. Thanks.
 
Darla said:
And here's from wikipedia:

Duty-to-retreat

"Castle laws" remove the duty of a person legally at home not to use deadly force on an illegal intruder if he can safely retreat instead.

Stand-your-ground

In some states in the United States, one can use deadly force without attempting to retreat in any location. Such laws remove the requirement that your own property is threatened.

So that seems cut and dry to me. I would love to see all of the Flordia residents who were getting charged with manslaughter or murder after shooting someone in their homes, under Florida's original Castle laws. If homeowners not being charged after shooting intruders is responsible in any way for that 300% increase in justifiable homicides under stand your ground laws, then an awful lot of homeowners must have been being charged for shooting home intruders prior to the expansion of those castle laws under Stand your Ground.

So shouldn't be too hard to show evidence of this.
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Thats exactly right Darla, what part don't you get.....?

Can you be at home "illegally" ?.....I didn't get that part....

I thought the "Castle Doctrine"...allowed you to use deadly force to protect you home or property and it wasn't necessary for you life to be threatened.....

I guess it differs from state for state....

The SYG law just says you don't have to retreat from an attacker for you to legally defend yourself.....if your attacked, you don't have to hide under a rock like liberals wanted us to, we can now fight back......
 
SmarterThanYou said:
it's not a 'shoot first, ask questions later' law. that is a complete misnomer intended to make the law sound crappy. the castle doctrine laws validated self defense in the home and removed the 'duty to retreat' statutes. like i said in the other post, it was prompted by criminal charges forcing the homeowner to prove his/her innocence in self defense shootings. something that our justice system is not to be used for.
the SYG laws added public areas to the castle doctrine laws.
something else that the castle doctrine and stand your ground laws did was immunize someone who used self defense in a shooting from civil lawsuits.
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Liberals obviously have the opinion that when anyone is confronted, they should turn and run.
Forget about anything and everything else; just run.
 
Darla said:
Yeah, you're just the person to "educate" everyone on the subject.

" the 300% increase is most likely a result of homeowners or citizens in public no longer having to second guess 'duty to retreat' laws in defending themselves from robber, rape, or murder, for fear of becoming a victim of the judicial system."

So I was correct in my initial post that it had nothing to do with home intruders and you threw up a bunch of bullshit to divert from that. Cool. That's all. Thanks.
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It could result in the increase in gun ownership. It could be because of the vast increase in CCW holders over the past decade. Unless you have a detailed set of statistics, trying to correlate one result based on incredibly limited data is stupid.
 
Darla said:
Yeah, you're just the person to "educate" everyone on the subject.
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do i need to repeat my threat of gun law posts, 4th Amendment posts, and other judicial rants to you? yes, I'm one of 4 on here that could educate just about anyone here on gun laws.

Darla said:
" the 300% increase is most likely a result of homeowners or citizens in public no longer having to second guess 'duty to retreat' laws in defending themselves from robber, rape, or murder, for fear of becoming a victim of the judicial system."

So I was correct in my initial post that it had nothing to do with home intruders and you threw up a bunch of bullshit to divert from that. Cool. That's all. Thanks.
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this is you flipping out again because you're stuck on a certain set of words and not the big picture. that's ok though, liberals tend to do that when they've got nothing left to argue.

can you answer the question or not?
 
Darla said:
Uh uh uh, excuse you mister. I asked SF a simple question, let's recap:







Stuff it STY. You badly stumbled here in your haste to come at me as the woman who doesn't know shit about gun laws. There is NO way, that homeowners no longer being charged "under the stand your ground law" has any bearing on that 300% increase in justifiable homicides, because as you just stated, you can't even find a case in the past ten years. And that is the issue. Just because you stumbled and I was right, don't try and change the subject and the argument now.

It was about whether or not the 300% increase in justifiable homicides is due, mainly or partly, to actual justifiable homicides. And since we now know that homeowners shooting intruders is not affecting that number at all, we can eliminate those from the equation.
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CAN WE HAVE THE SPILL CREW REPORT TO AISLE 9
IT SEEMS WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MELTED.
 
Darla said:
Uh uh uh, excuse you mister. I asked SF a simple question, let's recap:







Stuff it STY. You badly stumbled here in your haste to come at me as the woman who doesn't know shit about gun laws. There is NO way, that homeowners no longer being charged "under the stand your ground law" has any bearing on that 300% increase in justifiable homicides, because as you just stated, you can't even find a case in the past ten years. And that is the issue. Just because you stumbled and I was right, don't try and change the subject and the argument now.

It was about whether or not the 300% increase in justifiable homicides is due, mainly or partly, to actual justifiable homicides. And since we now know that homeowners shooting intruders is not affecting that number at all, we can eliminate those from the equation.
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SmarterThanYou said:
do i need to repeat my threat of gun law posts, 4th Amendment posts, and other judicial rants to you? yes, I'm one of 4 on here that could educate just about anyone here on gun laws.



this is you flipping out again because you're stuck on a certain set of words and not the big picture. that's ok though, liberals tend to do that when they've got nothing left to argue.

can you answer the question or not?
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Whose big picture? You just stated that we need these laws even though "unfortunately" some will use them for nefarious purposes. So some dead bodies are just cracked eggs for your omelet.

Yeah, you can get off your high horse right about now STY.

A 300% increase. Wow. So now that we know it has nothing to do with homeowners shooting intruders, I'd love to see a real investigation into those numbers. I hope a major investigation is done soon on that. I think this could be the impetus needed for one.

I wonder how many murders are hidden in those numbers??? First let's find out, then we can compare outrages.
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
It could result in the increase in gun ownership. It could be because of the vast increase in CCW holders over the past decade. Unless you have a detailed set of statistics, trying to correlate one result based on incredibly limited data is stupid.
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Could be a lot of things. We know now that it's not homeowners shooting intruders. They were never being charged.

Which is the only claim I made on this thread. Stop trying to debunk things I never said. It's so...weak.

I would love to see an investigative report on the numbers. Would you?
 
Darla said:
Could be a lot of things. We know now that it's not homeowners shooting intruders. They were never being charged.

Which is the only claim I made on this thread. Stop trying to debunk things I never said. It's so...weak.

I would love to see an investigative report on the numbers. Would you?
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is zimmerman guilty in your mind?
 
Darla said:
Could be a lot of things. We know now that it's not homeowners shooting intruders. They were never being charged.

Which is the only claim I made on this thread. Stop trying to debunk things I never said. It's so...weak.

I would love to see an investigative report on the numbers. Would you?
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I would like to see an investigation in the numbers as well, especially since you claim that homeowners were never charged, and I can personally attest otherwise.
 
Darla said:
Whose big picture? You just stated that we need these laws even though "unfortunately" some will use them for nefarious purposes. So some dead bodies are just cracked eggs for your omelet.

Yeah, you can get off your high horse right about now STY.

A 300% increase. Wow. So now that we know it has nothing to do with homeowners shooting intruders, I'd love to see a real investigation into those numbers. I hope a major investigation is done soon on that. I think this could be the impetus needed for one.

I wonder how many murders are hidden in those numbers??? First let's find out, then we can compare outrages.
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and this is why part of the liberal agenda is despised. the whole idea of sacrificing the few for the many is repugnant and disgusting. I picture a situation of terrorists hiding a nuke somewhere in the city and to prevent it from detonating, all that has to be done is a mob of people need to lynch STY, and the liberals racing to do it.

now, is it worth the sacrifice of a handful of lives in scrapping self defense laws so that you can feel better about nobody being able to get away with murder?
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
I would like to see an investigation in the numbers as well, especially since you claim that homeowners were never charged, and I can personally attest otherwise.
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and I can also attest to an individual in a public place, where he had every right to be, having to shoot someone in self defense and spending 3 years in prison for it before his conviction was overturned.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
and this is why part of the liberal agenda is despised. the whole idea of sacrificing the few for the many is repugnant and disgusting. I picture a situation of terrorists hiding a nuke somewhere in the city and to prevent it from detonating, all that has to be done is a mob of people need to lynch STY, and the liberals racing to do it.

now, is it worth the sacrifice of a handful of lives in scrapping self defense laws so that you can feel better about nobody being able to get away with murder?
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Is it worth having innocent people shot by morons so you can feel better about being able to kill someone where ever you feel threatened?
 
Rune said:
Is it worth having innocent people shot by morons so you can feel better about being able to kill someone where ever you feel threatened?
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yes. it is. If I'm going to sacrifice my life for someone else, I should at least get the choice of who i'm going to save. It shouldn't be your prerogative to sacrifice me, or anyone else for that matter, just so you can feel better about not letting anyone get away with murder.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
yes. it is. If I'm going to sacrifice my life for someone else, I should at least get the choice of who i'm going to save. It shouldn't be your prerogative to sacrifice me, or anyone else for that matter, just so you can feel better about not letting anyone get away with murder.
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SmarterThanYou said:
the whole idea of sacrificing the few for the many is repugnant and disgusting.
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Too stupid to know what a hypocrite you are.
 
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