21 Secularist Indulgences that will help Destroy America:

[Granule]

There are Christian groups calling for gays to be banned from the Boy Scouts.

Makes sense. 1st we're dealing with a morality issue, and second straight boys don't want to be sharing the same tent with a homosexual. Brain dead perverts like you can't understand that, as in your mind, that would be a great opportunity for a budding romance within the encampment.

There are Christians who have called for gays to not be allowed to teach.

Teach what?

There are groups who wanted Roy Moore's 2 ton monument of the 10 Commandments back in the Alabama Supreme Court Lobby.

Which cry baby heathen had it removed in the first place?

So there are Christians who want to be the top over everyone else.

Nope, we just want to keep things as they were. It's the secularist assholes who want to barge in uninvited & top everyone else.

Ok, 20 more to go.

lol. Not by a long shot.

 

[zappasguitar]

That is the CUTEST weapon of death I have ever seen!

 

[WinterBorn]

Makes sense. 1st we're dealing with a morality issue, and second straight boys don't want to be sharing the same tent with a homosexual. Brain dead perverts like you can't understand that, as in your mind, that would be a great opportunity for a budding romance within the encampment.

If you want to discuss issues, the attempts at insults to not serve the purpose.

But its nice to see that you cannot tell the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Teach what?

Teach anything in the public schools.

Which cry baby heathen had it removed in the first place?

Roy Moore snuck it in during the night and then refused an order by the US District Court. This, beyond other examples, is a clear violation of Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

Nope, we just want to keep things as they were. It's the secularist assholes who want to barge in uninvited & top everyone else.

You want to keep it so that the Christians are on top and everyone else is secondary. That is clear enough.

 

[WinterBorn]

Now come on, Gran. How about responding to the issues you posted. There are 21 "indulgences that you listed. I either called you out on or questioned you on all of them. They are numbered so you can respond by number. Surely you can keep up with that, right?

1. Racial Diversity (Anyone but white Christians/Conservatives)
This is laughable, since the white, conservative Christians have been oppressing everyone else for the longest time. Now you claim we exclude you simply by not allowing you to have your way.

2. Planned Parenthood (Abortion & Birth Control)
Its a pity you didn't actually do some research about this. PP does a lot more than the two items listed. And why on earth would you complain about birth control?

3. Separation from Church
The church has been at the root of some of the worst atrocities in our history. And the US Constitution clearly defines that there will be no official state religion. In this nation all religions have equal value. Whether you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, Shaolin, or Atheist, this nation is equally yours.

4. Tree Worship
I think this one needs more info. Are you talking about pagan religions or about environmentalists?

5. Verbal Abuse (dishing it out)
Neither conservatives nor liberals like taking it and yet both are happy to dish it out. You can't pin this one on liberalism.

6. Caves for Everyone (They just don’t know it yet)
What? You need to add a bit more info here too. No idea what this means.

7. Tax Worship
Again, no idea what is meant by "Tax Worship".

8. Pink machine guns
What is wrong with a pink machine gun? My daughter had a pink single-shot rifle when she was younger. Who cares what color they are. Are you trying to say people shouldn't be able to buy a gun in the color of their choice?

9. Mandated vegetable consumption
If you are referring to school lunches, then the mandate is for more healthful foods. Why you would be against that, considering what the obesity and diet related illnesses are costing this country.

10. Enabling criminals
Would love specifics on this one too. Sounds kinda vague.

11. Prisons (MSNBC makes great documentaries)
First you say we are enabling criminals and then you slam prisons? WTF?

12. Government subsidies
Neocons have their subsidies too. Look at the bailouts of banks and the like.

13. Wikipedia – the dictionary anyone can edit
Not sure how Wikipedia made it into this rant. It is a privately owned website.

14. Nationalized Everything
Everything? Exaggerate much?

15. The Gay Agenda
Agenda? You mean equality is now an agenda?

16. Compliant Free Thought (In accordance with the Secularist point of view)
So you claim people are getting on to you abouty what you think?? Love to see examples of this.

17. World Suffering (Helps in the fight against Republicans)
Are you talking about helping to alleviate world suffering? Or are you talking about increasing world suffering?

18. Multi-Millionaire & Billionaire Democrats
You ask if good Americans are going to put up with this nonsense. So you are fine with Multi-Millionaire & Billionaire Republicans, but the rich are not allowed to be Democrats?

19. Any Network but FOX News
Faux news has presented a slanted view for years. Other networks do the same. Those who dislike neocon views would dislike a news outlet that slants to the conservative view. Just like you dislike news outlets that slant to the liberal side.

20. Islam/Radical Islam (They are the victims)
There are some good examples of muslims being victims. I haven't seen anyone say that the atrocities committed by the muslims are ok. But lets look at both sides of the argument.

21. Fairness over Liberty
This needs clarification too. Please tell us how liberty is being supplanted by fairness?

 

[Phantasmal]

Makes sense. 1st we're dealing with a morality issue, and second straight boys don't want to be sharing the same tent with a homosexual. Brain dead perverts like you can't understand that, as in your mind, that would be a great opportunity for a budding romance within the encampment.

Teach what?

Which cry baby heathen had it removed in the first place?

Nope, we just want to keep things as they were. It's the secularist assholes who want to barge in uninvited & top everyone else.

lol. Not by a long shot.

Isn't that interesting because my nephew, who was serving in Afghanistan says it doesn't matter to him as long as they are a good soldier who has got his back and does their job. My other nephews serving in different branches in the military say the same thing. I am proud these family members are more enlightened.

 

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Lets see....

1. Racial Diversity (Anyone but white Christians/Conservatives)
This is laughable, since the white, conservative Christians have been oppressing everyone else for the longest time. Now you claim we exclude you simply by not allowing you to have your way.

2. Planned Parenthood (Abortion & Birth Control)
Its a pity you didn't actually do some research about this. PP does a lot more than the two items listed. And why on earth would you complain about birth control?

3. Separation from Church
The church has been at the root of some of the worst atrocities in our history. And the US Constitution clearly defines that there will be no official state religion. In this nation all religions have equal value. Whether you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, Shaolin, or Atheist, this nation is equally yours.

4. Tree Worship
I think this one needs more info. Are you talking about pagan religions or about environmentalists?

5. Verbal Abuse (dishing it out)
Neither conservatives nor liberals like taking it and yet both are happy to dish it out. You can't pin this one on liberalism.

6. Caves for Everyone (They just don’t know it yet)
What? You need to add a bit more info here too. No idea what this means.

7. Tax Worship
Again, no idea what is meant by "Tax Worship".

8. Pink machine guns
What is wrong with a pink machine gun? My daughter had a pink single-shot rifle when she was younger. Who cares what color they are. Are you trying to say people shouldn't be able to buy a gun in the color of their choice?

9. Mandated vegetable consumption
If you are referring to school lunches, then the mandate is for more healthful foods. Why you would be against that, considering what the obesity and diet related illnesses are costing this country.

10. Enabling criminals
Would love specifics on this one too. Sounds kinda vague.

11. Prisons (MSNBC makes great documentaries)
First you say we are enabling criminals and then you slam prisons? WTF?

12. Government subsidies
Neocons have their subsidies too. Look at the bailouts of banks and the like.

13. Wikipedia – the dictionary anyone can edit
Not sure how Wikipedia made it into this rant. It is a privately owned website.

14. Nationalized Everything
Everything? Exaggerate much?

15. The Gay Agenda
Agenda? You mean equality is now an agenda?

16. Compliant Free Thought (In accordance with the Secularist point of view)
So you claim people are getting on to you abouty what you think?? Love to see examples of this.

17. World Suffering (Helps in the fight against Republicans)
Are you talking about helping to alleviate world suffering? Or are you talking about increasing world suffering?

18. Multi-Millionaire & Billionaire Democrats
You ask if good Americans are going to put up with this nonsense. So you are fine with Multi-Millionaire & Billionaire Republicans, but the rich are not allowed to be Democrats?

19. Any Network but FOX News
Faux news has presented a slanted view for years. Other networks do the same. Those who dislike neocon views would dislike a news outlet that slants to the conservative view. Just like you dislike news outlets that slant to the liberal side.

20. Islam/Radical Islam (They are the victims)
There are some good examples of muslims being victims. I haven't seen anyone say that the atrocities committed by the muslims are ok. But lets look at both sides of the argument.

21. Fairness over Liberty
This needs clarification too. Please tell us how liberty is being supplanted by fairness?

equality is indeed an agenda if you do not already have it... just sayin

 

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What the fuck is a pink machine gun?

Its what the nancy boy british use is it not?

 

[zappasguitar]

Now come on, Gran. How about responding to the issues you posted. There are 21 "indulgences that you listed. I either called you out on or questioned you on all of them. They are numbered so you can respond by number. Surely you can keep up with that, right?

1. Racial Diversity (Anyone but white Christians/Conservatives)
This is laughable, since the white, conservative Christians have been oppressing everyone else for the longest time. Now you claim we exclude you simply by not allowing you to have your way.

2. Planned Parenthood (Abortion & Birth Control)
Its a pity you didn't actually do some research about this. PP does a lot more than the two items listed. And why on earth would you complain about birth control?

3. Separation from Church
The church has been at the root of some of the worst atrocities in our history. And the US Constitution clearly defines that there will be no official state religion. In this nation all religions have equal value. Whether you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, Shaolin, or Atheist, this nation is equally yours.

4. Tree Worship
I think this one needs more info. Are you talking about pagan religions or about environmentalists?

5. Verbal Abuse (dishing it out)
Neither conservatives nor liberals like taking it and yet both are happy to dish it out. You can't pin this one on liberalism.

6. Caves for Everyone (They just don’t know it yet)
What? You need to add a bit more info here too. No idea what this means.

7. Tax Worship
Again, no idea what is meant by "Tax Worship".

8. Pink machine guns
What is wrong with a pink machine gun? My daughter had a pink single-shot rifle when she was younger. Who cares what color they are. Are you trying to say people shouldn't be able to buy a gun in the color of their choice?

9. Mandated vegetable consumption
If you are referring to school lunches, then the mandate is for more healthful foods. Why you would be against that, considering what the obesity and diet related illnesses are costing this country.

10. Enabling criminals
Would love specifics on this one too. Sounds kinda vague.

11. Prisons (MSNBC makes great documentaries)
First you say we are enabling criminals and then you slam prisons? WTF?

12. Government subsidies
Neocons have their subsidies too. Look at the bailouts of banks and the like.

13. Wikipedia – the dictionary anyone can edit
Not sure how Wikipedia made it into this rant. It is a privately owned website.

14. Nationalized Everything
Everything? Exaggerate much?

15. The Gay Agenda
Agenda? You mean equality is now an agenda?

16. Compliant Free Thought (In accordance with the Secularist point of view)
So you claim people are getting on to you abouty what you think?? Love to see examples of this.

17. World Suffering (Helps in the fight against Republicans)
Are you talking about helping to alleviate world suffering? Or are you talking about increasing world suffering?

18. Multi-Millionaire & Billionaire Democrats
You ask if good Americans are going to put up with this nonsense. So you are fine with Multi-Millionaire & Billionaire Republicans, but the rich are not allowed to be Democrats?

19. Any Network but FOX News
Faux news has presented a slanted view for years. Other networks do the same. Those who dislike neocon views would dislike a news outlet that slants to the conservative view. Just like you dislike news outlets that slant to the liberal side.

20. Islam/Radical Islam (They are the victims)
There are some good examples of muslims being victims. I haven't seen anyone say that the atrocities committed by the muslims are ok. But lets look at both sides of the argument.

21. Fairness over Liberty
This needs clarification too. Please tell us how liberty is being supplanted by fairness?

So the grainiac runs away after just one point?

DAMN!

And I was SOOOOO looking forward to watching you school that guy on all 21 points

He's just another big mouth Rightie who won't back up his insanity when given the chance...

 

[WinterBorn]

equality is indeed an agenda if you do not already have it... just sayin

Very true. I stand corrected.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ok, so are you going to explain any of these issues, Gran?

 

[WinterBorn]

Bump

Come on, Granule.

 

[gui1tars]

Bump

Come on, Granule.

Granny has no clue and certainly no gun. Jus' helpin' the bump, wb. Granny needs to answer the rebuttals or just shut the fuck up and go sight-seeing. Last I checked this is a participatory game.

 

[Granule]

If you want to discuss issues, the attempts at insults to not serve the purpose.

But its nice to see that you cannot tell the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.

The good thing here is, that you don't dispute my argument. If you want to discuss the issue, the attempts at misdirection do not serve the purpose. By what little sense that can be made from the above, you condone the idea of homosexual boy scout at least tryng his luck with a straight scout.

Teach anything in the public schools.

I have no issue with that just so long as sexual orientation stays out of the classroom.

Roy Moore snuck it in during the night and then refused an order by the US District Court. This, beyond other examples, is a clear violation of Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

I share Moore's convictions, but the man did overstep his bounds. I'll give ya that one.

You want to keep it so that the Christians are on top and everyone else is secondary. That is clear enough.

And? You want Secularists to be on top, and everyone else to be secondary, so I don't see your point. Some kind of belief system must prevail here, WB, or we all will be speaking Arabic. Do you at least agree that if Christianity were to go away, that Islam would soon take over?

 

[WinterBorn]

The good thing here is, that you don't dispute my argument. If you want to discuss the issue, the attempts at misdirection do not serve the purpose. By what little sense that can be made from the above, you condone the idea of homosexual boy scout at least tryng his luck with a straight scout.


I have no issue with that just so long as sexual orientation stays out of the classroom.



I share Moore's convictions, but the man did overstep his bounds. I'll give ya that one.



And? You want Secularists to be on top, and everyone else to be secondary, so I don't see your point. Some kind of belief system must prevail here, WB, or we all will be speaking Arabic. Do you at least agree that if Christianity were to go away, that Islam would soon take over?

So now about addressing the other 20 issues??

 

[Granule]

So now about addressing the other 20 issues??

You lost the first issue, WB. I've proven my point. You failed to convince that Christians are the bad guy, and Secularists are the good guy. Why do you want to get hammered on 20 more points? What's the rush?

 

[WinterBorn]

You lost the first issue, WB. I've proven my point. You failed to convince that Christians are the bad guy, and Secularists are the good guy. Why do you want to get hammered on 20 more points? What's the rush?

I lost nothing. I simply refuse to spend the next 3 weeks bumping and rebumping this thread so you will finally address the issues in the items you posted. Why post issues you refuse to defend?

And some of them were not even attacks. They were simply questions about what you meant.

I have no problem debating an issue with you. But your refusal to address the issues that you raised is ridiculous.

 

[Granule]

I lost nothing. I simply refuse to spend the next 3 weeks bumping and rebumping this thread so you will finally address the issues in the items you posted. Why post issues you refuse to defend?

And some of them were not even attacks. They were simply questions about what you meant.

I have no problem debating an issue with you. But your refusal to address the issues that you raised is ridiculous.

Uh huh..You made this about Christians, not me. My point was to prove that Secularists want to be on top, and to hell with Christian Conservatives. You failed to prove otherwise.

 

[WinterBorn]

Uh huh..You brought up Christians, not me. My point was to prove that Secularists want to be on top, and to hell with Christian Conservatives. You failed to prove otherwise.

Oh please. Your exact statement was "Racial Diversity (Anyone but white Christians/Conservatives)"

The idea that white christian conservatives are somehow being oppressed is ridiculous.



So why not talk about what you meant by "Tree Worship"?

Or the "Caves for everyone"? WTH?

Or explain why pink machine guns are an indulgence that people should not tolerate?

Or perhaps you can explain why allowing multi-millionaires and billionaires to decide their own political party is an indulgence?? I mean, I doubt you have much on this one, but give it a try.

 

[Granule]

Oh please. Your exact statement was "Racial Diversity (Anyone but white Christians/Conservatives)".

The heading is Secularist Indulgences. This is about Secularists. You tried to make it about Christians. Try again, or concede the point.

 

[leaningright]

The idea that white christian conservatives are somehow being oppressed is ridiculous.

I would like to address this part without completely jumping into the fray of the other 20 somewhat wierd points. I had a conversation with a lady at church the other day about this. First, let me throw the "white" out of the sentence...I know that was part of the original sentiment but it has no bearing on what I want to say.

The idea that christian conservatives are somehow being oppressed is ridiculous.

Let me preface this by saying that I use the term "christian" in the looser sense of it's definition. While it may seem ridiculous, and may well be ridiculous, let me try to expound on why some folks (like Granule and many folks I counsel with) feel the way they do. While I can't speak for Granule, there is this overwhelming feeling among many conservative christians that the life and country they grew up in is changing....and it is. Folks can argue whether the change is for the better or not but the fact is that the (religious) demographics of this country are changing with the number of christians shrinking every year. That scares a lot of christian people. When they realize that in x-number of years they won't be the majority it is really sobering to them. Then take a candidate like Santorum. When all you hear on the news is that a candidate Santorum cannot win in the battle ground states because he is too socially conservative (not that he has allowed that to influence his voting on several issues), that further worries many christian people about the direction of the country. From what I can see between him and Mr. Romney, there is not much difference between them on fiscal issues. Both of them have been persuaded to be more liberal than I think either would like in some areas of their governance. Romney on healthcare and Santorum on earmarks and bailouts. But I digress. My point is that I can see why some christians are feeling the pressure. Their world is changing and it scares them. The "educated elite" have mostly always looked down on them but christians usually had them significantly outnumbered. Ain't going to be that way in the future should the trends continue. Like I say, one can argue that this is all for the better but I most definitely can understand the way they feel whether I think it is right or wrong.

Now I need to further say something on the Santorum/conservative/republican unpopularity. Them getting involved in the birth control aspect of things is stupid, and it is killing any small chance they might have had. Why in the world would they want to do that? To appease the Catholics? That's all I can see, but it was a bone-headed move on their part and they should have stayed away from it like they would have stayed away from a land mine. But even before all that mess, the news media was saying what I said about Santorum above.