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E=General Buck Turgidson;973473]I didn't say anything about racism or anything along those lines at all.

bullshit. you said wearing a hoodie while black.

No, it isn't quite common unless you have a horseshit attorney who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. It is quite common for people to testify as to what they specifically observed that led them to believe that the person was drunk or on drugs, i.e. he was staggering, stunk of alcohol, bloodshot eyes, smelled like marijuana, was overly excited and the like. Also, the fact that the police came to check out the situation doesn't mean diddly squat. That's what they do when they get a call asking them to check something out.

that is exactly what i'm saying. he observed certain actions that led him to believe he was on drugs. wtf...are you high already this morning?

I'm going off of what Zimmerman himself said about Martin in his call to the cops to report suspicious activity. In this call one what expect Zimmerman to provide the reasons why he thinks Martin was acting suspiciously. The reasons he gave fall well short of a reasonable basis to suspect Martin of anything more than walking down the street while black in a hoodie.[/Q

that is completely your OPINION. not fact. it is subjective and you were not there. you don't even know if martin told them everything he was thinking, which is unlikely, as he was in the moment. people often think more than they say, especially over the phone. stop acting like you know what happened when you weren't there.

 

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agreed.

zimmerman claims martin went for his gun...if that is true, that is a huge turning point, unless zimmerman had the gun out and martin was defending his life. i have a hunch that we may never know what truly happened, unless there is a TP witness.

Agreed, which will make a whole lot of people unhappy.

 

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I don't see yurt doing anything except argue with the people who defend Martin. The righties keep saying we're not being fair to Zimmerman and that what we write about Martin is just supposition, but Martin can't speak for himself because he's dead. Somebody has to give voice to concerns about what really happened and we're sure as hell not getting the full and complete story from Zimmerman.

My problem with all this is the same as yours, that Zimmerman provoked the confrontation. This major detail is being shunted aside or ignored by the Zimmerman defenders. Martin didn't flip his t-shirt against the windshield or do anything to cause Zimmerman to leave his vehicle, and this isn't something I made up, it's in the 911 call. The entire incident was initiated and ended by Zimmerman, no matter what happened in between.

I have a teenaged son. I've taught him since babyhood what to do if he's approached by a stranger, and I believe this is what most parents do. We have "block parents" here and kids are taught to run to those houses if something occurs and they don't feel safe. If someone in a car or on foot is following my kids, or even the other kids in the neighborhood, they'd better have a damned good reason for doing so. We have a still-unsolved case here of a man in a white van following local kids and trying to lure them into the vehicle. At this point I have zero sympathy for Zimmerman and that's unlikely to change without some new, damning evidence coming out.
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what is truly funny about you and other libs who are crying about "fairness"....is that you guys are completely in martin's camp and have convicted zimmerman on pure speculation. pointing that out to you is not bias. even mott is pointing it out, but since mott leans left, that is ok.

i've called zimmerman out, but oh no, that isn't good enough. unless i completely agree with you, i'm biased.



btw...still waiting for the name calling cite.

 

[christiefan915]

Zimmerman thought so. The neighborhood had seen an increase in crime, the black neighbor stated it was mostly black men causing the increase. So it is believable that Zimmerman thought he was suspicious.

Then it looks like profiling, because according to Zimmerman's testimony Martin was simply walking down the street in the rain, and looking around. He wasn't scaling a fence, he wasn't visibly carrying a weapon, he wasn't harassing other pedestrians.

 

[Bonestorm]

bullshit. you said wearing a hoodie while black.

Right. That's all the information that Zimmerman gave the 911 operator. Martin was walking down the street, looking around while being black and wearing a hoddie.

that is exactly what i'm saying. he observed certain actions that led him to believe he was on drugs. wtf...are you high already this morning?

What certain actions? How do you know what Zimmerman observed? He didn't describe any of those certain actions that led him to believe Martin was on drugs in the 911 call. Lots of people walk down streets and look around while not on drugs.

I'm also curious as to the "other suspicious activity" that you mentioned. What activity was that?

that is completely your OPINION. not fact. it is subjective and you were not there. you don't even know if martin told them everything he was thinking, which is unlikely, as he was in the moment. people often think more than they say, especially over the phone. stop acting like you know what happened when you weren't there.

Yes, it is my opinion. And the above is your opinion and is no more speculative or subjective than my opinion. Stop acting like I cannot form an opinion based on the known facts. I can incorporate additional information upon learning. Based on what we know thus far, Zimmerman had no basis for suspecting Martin of anything.

 

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That any black person walking in the neighborhood that George Zimmerman personally does not know is automatically suspicious simply because the person is black is completely ridiculous. Blows my mind, in fact.

Hilarious.

 

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That any black person walking in the neighborhood that George Zimmerman personally does not know is automatically suspicious simply because the person is black is completely ridiculous. Blows my mind, in fact.

How about yourself....if you see a person you don't know walking around your neighborhood at night, wouldn't you be suspicious......would it matter if the person was white, black or Indian or Asian....

 

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That could be. It could also be that under the Stand Your Ground Law they didn't have the basis for a conviction. Which would be legitimate, legally speaking, in Florida. If that's the case, I would think that could sway public opinion in Florida against the "Stand Your Ground Laws".

I think 'defensive' wounds would lend credence in the eyes of the State that Zimmerman was acting in defense. That said, I think the case can also be made that Martin was the one defending himself.

 

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Hilarious.

I don't think it's funny at all. It's tragic. You're an educated man for God's sake.

 

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I hear what you're saying and you make a very good point but it hasn't really done much to shape my opinion. I'm still pretty damned unsympathetic towards Zimmerman.

I agree, I personally think, based on what we know thus far that Zimmerman should at a minimum be charged with manslaughter.

 

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Witness statements and a doctor’s report corroborated his injuries, Lee said. A police report said he had a bloody nose and a grass-stained shirt.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/...ford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html#storylink=cpy

apparently he did suffer injuries. this does not however prove anything about what actually took place.

 

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I don't think it's funny at all. It's tragic. You're an educated man for God's sake.

Yes, I am. What is funny is your response, not what happened.

If you know:

1) Increased crime in your neighborhood
2) Mostly due to black men

Then an educated man would say it is logical to be suspicious of black men in the neighborhood at night that you do not know. That does not justify the actions Zimmerman took after becoming suspicious... but only an idiot wouldn't take into account 1 and 2 above when patrolling the neighborhood.

 

[christiefan915]

Um, to follow him? Again, I don't like what Zimmerman did because it led to the confrontation that led to Martin being killed. But you are making a lot of speculation sound like 'fact' to you. He could have been following Martin so that he could let police know where he was. The police told him not to do that and according to Zimmerman he was heading back to his car. According to the girl who was on the phone with Martin he was still following Martin. One of them is lying.

Zimmerman leaving his vehicle is the central point for me. Until then he was doing what neighborhood watch people are advised to do, report the behaviour to the cops and wait for them to respond. He had zero reason to leave the SUV, no matter how he justified it in his thinking. I'd like to read a transcript of the cell phone call with the girlfriend, funny how that hasn't yet made the news.

 

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How about yourself....if you see a person you don't know walking around your neighborhood at night, wouldn't you be suspicious......would it matter if the person was white, black or Indian or Asian....

People walk around my neighborhood at night all the time and I have not once called the police on them or thought they were suspicious. It was about 7:15 p.m. Are you really this much of a pants-shitter that you are suspicious of any person walking in your neighborhood at 7:15 p.m?

 

[Onceler]

Yes, I am. What is funny is your response, not what happened.

If you know:

1) Increased crime in your neighborhood
2) Mostly due to black men

Then an educated man would say it is logical to be suspicious of black men in the neighborhood at night that you do not know. That does not justify the actions Zimmerman took after becoming suspicious... but only an idiot wouldn't take into account 1 and 2 above when patrolling the neighborhood.

What's interesting about both the audio and also something that can be found in the comments of one of his friends/neighbors was the fact that he was at a sort of breaking point with regard to the neighborhood robberies. You get the impression that he was going to do something about it once & for all, regardless of the kid's guilt, innocence or actions.

 

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Yes, I am. What is funny is your response, not what happened.

If you know:

1) Increased crime in your neighborhood
2) Mostly due to black men

Then an educated man would say it is logical to be suspicious of black men in the neighborhood at night that you do not know. That does not justify the actions Zimmerman took after becoming suspicious... but only an idiot wouldn't take into account 1 and 2 above when patrolling the neighborhood.

And only a fucking moron would conclude that every black person walking down the street is suspicious. It's also pretty fucking racist.

 

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ral Buck Turgidson;973483]Right. That's all the information that Zimmerman gave the 911 operator. Martin was walking down the street, looking around while being black and wearing a hoddie.

he said he was walking slowly, looking into people's houses. funny how you tried to back off the racism, and yet here you are bringing it up again.

What certain actions? How do you know what Zimmerman observed? He didn't describe any of those certain actions that led him to believe Martin was on drugs in the 911 call. Lots of people walk down streets and look around while not on drugs.

what part of, you and i were not there so we don't know everything that zimmerman observed. you want to claim as fact that he could not have observed him being on drugs....that is simply not true. he COULD have. and he did state some reasons he thought he was on drugs.

I'm also curious as to the "other suspicious activity" that you mentioned. What activity was that?

go listen to the tape again. there is no transcript of it, but you're obviously only hearing what you want to hear.

Yes, it is my opinion. And the above is your opinion and is no more speculative or subjective than my opinion. Stop acting like I cannot form an opinion based on the known facts. I can incorporate additional information upon learning. Based on what we know thus far, Zimmerman had no basis for suspecting Martin of anything.

the difference between my speculation and your is that i'm not trying to pass it as fact. you've already convicted zimmerman without knowing all the facts.

 

[christiefan915]

According to the girl. According to Zimmerman it was Martin that came up to him. Again you are acting like you have a fact, when in reality you have the account of someone who was on the phone. She could not see who approached who.

This is what we have according to the girlfriend.

In a telephone interview with ABC, a woman the network identified as Martin's girlfriend said he described Zimmerman as "crazy" shortly before his death.

The girlfriend had been talking on the phone with Martin before he was shot, the Martin family's lawyer has said. She told ABC that Martin "was walking fast when he said this man (was) behind him again."
"He come and say this look like he about to do something to him," she said. "And then Trayvon come and said the man was still behind him, then I come and say, 'Run.' "
Family attorney Benjamin Crump said last week that Martin told his girlfriend he was not going to run. According to the girlfriend's account of the call, Martin asked Zimmerman, "What are you stopping me for?" To which Zimmerman replied, "What are you doing around here?"
The girlfriend said she got the impression an altercation was taking place and that someone had pushed Martin, because the headset fell out of his ear and the phone shut off, Crump said. He said that account undercut's Zimmerman's claims of self-defense.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

 

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Yes, I am. What is funny is your response, not what happened.

If you know:

1) Increased crime in your neighborhood
2) Mostly due to black men

Then an educated man would say it is logical to be suspicious of black men in the neighborhood at night that you do not know. That does not justify the actions Zimmerman took after becoming suspicious... but only an idiot wouldn't take into account 1 and 2 above when patrolling the neighborhood.

come on SF. that is bullshit. just because some black men have or may have been guilty of a crime in the neighborhood does not mean all black men should automatically be suspicious.

 

[christiefan915]

that is completely false. he stated he thought the kid was on drugs, among other suspicious activity. he didn't mention he was black, unless the purported mumbling of "fucking coon" is true.

but now, i will be accused of defending zimmerman for once again straightening out the far left wingers who are quick to rush to judgement and spouse completely specious claims as facts.

Absurd. How on earth could he "tell" whether Martin was on drugs, just by watching him from a car? According to Zimmerman's own testimony Martin was simply walking in the rain, looking around. He mentions nothing about staggering, weaving, talking to himself, gesturing, or any other action that would suggest somebody under the influence.