State's Rights

Onceler said:
The tape is the most incriminating thing, without a doubt. He was told on the phone to back off and stop following the victim, and he didn't. He stalked him, and expressed what was clear pent-up frustration.

Those who think he was acting in self-defense point out that there appears to have been a scuffle, but I can't imagine a law that can protect you when you're the one who provokes that scuffle.
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The guy should be prosecuted, no question. But I am failing to see how this has anything to do with Libertarians or States rights. Darla is just using the standard straw man so many liberals apply to Libertarians: that they want NO federal government. The absurdity of her position and OP rant and trying to link the actions of one asshole to Libertarians is beyond pathetic.
 
Superfreak said:
The guy should be prosecuted, no question. But I am failing to see how this has anything to do with Libertarians or States rights. Darla is just using the standard straw man so many liberals apply to Libertarians: that they want NO federal government. The absurdity of her position and OP rant and trying to link the actions of one asshole to Libertarians is beyond pathetic.
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So you would say that the long history in this country of state's violating and not protecting the rights and lives of black people, and of the federal government needing to step in and enforce those rights, has nothing to do with black people not voting Republican/conservative/libertarian?
 
Darla said:
I phrased that badly, good catch. Your badge is in the mail. I was doing my nails at the same time I wrote that.

I think I explained several times what it has to do with the Libertarian ideology?
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No, you did not. You use a moronic view of what Libertarians believe just as most liberals do.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
strong federal government or not is irrelevant. The DOJ/feds have authority to investigate state abuses of power, or even inaction in cases, of this nature. So your rant is really nothing more than just an inane rant that has no basis in fact. The issue in this instance, and what I believe to be your 'beef' with it, is that this shooting was done by a citizen and not an agent of the state of florida. As such, the feds should have no jurisdiction UNLESS there can be proven evidence that the state ignored or screwed up the investigation. So far, none of that has been shown.

the rest of your rant.....well maybe you should start checking the quality of whatever it is you're snorting. check it for laundry detergent or something.
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I know you love the idea of people just being able to shoot each other, but it shouldn't have to come to the DOJ/feds "having" to investigate state abuses of power in a case like this. This is an open & shut case. The fact is, if the perp's conversation wasn't recorded, there probably wouldn't be the outcry that forced the investigation, and this just would have disappeared into the subterfuge.

The "beef" is not that it was a citizen doing the shooting. The beef is that a citizen stalked and shot down in cold blood an unarmed man who was out on a run to the store.
 
Darla said:
Yes, and when that was first signed into law, I believe by Jeb Bush? it was called the "shoot first ask questions later law", and I think it is very important to review that law. You know, a lot of black people feel it should be called the "shoot a n*gger and walk" law. And they were saying that long before this case. So it's interesting that it appears they turned out to be right.

But the law can't be racist, cause...cause white gun nuts say so.
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Local authorities weren't investigating or filing charges because they believed it was self-defense. Sure, a guy with a gun defending himself against a kid with Skittles. Imagine if it had been a black self-designated neighborhood watchman killing a white kid.
 
Darla said:
So you would say that the long history in this country of state's violating and not protecting the rights and lives of black people, and of the federal government needing to step in and enforce those rights, has nothing to do with black people not voting Republican/conservative/libertarian?
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So you would say that you are trying to use the actions of one rich asshole to condemn Libertarians and to lump them in with Republicans etc... ok... so in other words you are simply full of shit. Thanks for confirming that.
 
Darla said:
Yes, they have that authority because in this country, we are protected by a strong fed.
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oh bullshit. even if it were a 'weak' fed, they still have jurisdiction and could investigate as I said earlier.

Darla said:
And no I don't have a "beef" with the DOJ opening up this investigation. But it sure sounds like you do. I wonder why?
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now you're just making inferences of racism, hoping to put me on the defensive. you fail, miserably.
 
Onceler said:
I know you love the idea of people just being able to shoot each other, but it shouldn't have to come to the DOJ/feds "having" to investigate state abuses of power in a case like this. This is an open & shut case. The fact is, if the perp's conversation wasn't recorded, there probably wouldn't be the outcry that forced the investigation, and this just would have disappeared into the subterfuge.
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you have no proof of your assertion that this would be ignored by the state, therefore you're following the same racecard path as darla, and the same path of failure.

Onceler said:
The "beef" is not that it was a citizen doing the shooting. The beef is that a citizen stalked and shot down in cold blood an unarmed man who was out on a run to the store.
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i'm not disagreeing. but this isn't the feds investigation nor their case. it belongs in the hands of florida.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
you have no proof of your assertion that this would be ignored by the state, therefore you're following the same racecard path as darla, and the same path of failure.


i'm not disagreeing. but this isn't the feds investigation nor their case. it belongs in the hands of florida.
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I don't really believe anything more needs to be said.
 
Superfreak said:
So you would say that you are trying to use the actions of one rich asshole to condemn Libertarians and to lump them in with Republicans etc... ok... so in other words you are simply full of shit. Thanks for confirming that.
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This is where the ideology leads and it's why it's not popular with blacks and with women. That's just how it is. I'm sorry it makes you angry. But I don't see it changing anytime soon.
 
Darla said:
It's weird how it's mostly white males who cry about state's rights, and who also tend to join the Libertarian party, the party that loves sausage - but not browned. Why they can't attract women is no mystery - cause hey, bitches be crazy! But their inability to attract black men has long been the rubik's cube of politics. No one can figure it out!

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that in the year 2012, a black male can still be lynched in this country and not face state murder charges.

DOJ, FBI Opens Investigation Of Trayvon Martin Death

Federal authorities have opened a formal investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old black teenager shot by a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida. DOJ's full statement.
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This occurred in Sanford Florida, demographic breakdown shows the city has a population of about 53k. Less than half are white. Of the 45% white... you would assume about half are female.

So tell us Darla... in a city that comprises about 75% of the population that you claim won't vote Republican/Libertarian/Conservative... who do you suppose is running the city...

Democrats or Republicans?

If minorities control the majority of this town... who are they voting for? It is either as you suggest: They put Dems in power OR you are wrong and they are voting for Reps.
 
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