US soldier massacres unarmed civilians

[Disillusioned]

so you should have no problem then with the waterboarding or worse that is happening in gitmo, right?

For unproven acusations? Course i object to that, in america we have a judicial process, but this guy killed 16 afghani civilians in afghanistan. I'd put that under afghani law, their country their victims, and if we screw up the prosecution that's just a slap in the face.

 

[Disillusioned]

but what if 4 tours in combat gave him such PTSD that he's gone mental? is that deserving of life without parole?

And that makes it ok? Send him to a hospital? Don't blame him sure but he still deserves the needle.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

For unproven acusations? Course i object to that, in america we have a judicial process, but this guy killed 16 afghani civilians in afghanistan. I'd put that under afghani law, their country their victims, and if we screw up the prosecution that's just a slap in the face.

then whatever country a person is in, that is the rule of law that should apply?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

And that makes it ok? Send him to a hospital? Don't blame him sure but he still deserves the needle.

so a persons mental faculties shouldn't factor in to punishment for any crime, got it.

 

[Disillusioned]

then whatever country a person is in, that is the rule of law that should apply?

Ya, that's the normal practice, unless you're dealing with diplomatic immunity or extraterritoriality.

 

[Disillusioned]

so a persons mental faculties shouldn't factor in to punishment for any crime, got it.

Does the man who shoots his wife while drunk kill her any less than the one who does it cold sober? The issue is the crime, not the victim, not the perpetrator. The crime is the murder of 16 unarmed civilians.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Does the man who shoots his wife while drunk kill her any less than the one who does it cold sober? The issue is the crime, not the victim, not the perpetrator. The crime is the murder of 16 unarmed civilians.

basic rule of criminal law, especially murder, is intent.

 

[Disillusioned]

basic rule of criminal law, especially murder, is intent.

Pretty sure intent is a given, it's hard to accidentally fire a gun sixteen times and not know people are dying, especially when the screaming starts. You can argue reduced capacity all day long but somebody thought this guy was coherent enough to send back over to Afghanistan and issue him a weapon.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Pretty sure intent is a given, it's hard to accidentally fire a gun sixteen times and not know people are dying, especially when the screaming starts. You can argue reduced capacity all day long but somebody thought this guy was coherent enough to send back over to Afghanistan and issue him a weapon.

maybe when they sent him, however, it appears at the time of the murders he snapped. i don't if he did or not, i'm just saying intent and therefore, capacity, does in fact matter. it will matter with regards to what type of homocide he is guilty of. i have no doubt he will unlikely see freedom again in his lifetime.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Ya, that's the normal practice, unless you're dealing with diplomatic immunity or extraterritoriality.

so we don't have to worry about you pushing for international or sharia law in this country. good.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Does the man who shoots his wife while drunk kill her any less than the one who does it cold sober? The issue is the crime, not the victim, not the perpetrator. The crime is the murder of 16 unarmed civilians.

there's a huge distinction between alcohol impairment and mental disorders.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Pretty sure intent is a given, it's hard to accidentally fire a gun sixteen times and not know people are dying, especially when the screaming starts. You can argue reduced capacity all day long but somebody thought this guy was coherent enough to send back over to Afghanistan and issue him a weapon.

lets be sure and understand that the person who thought he was coherent enough was in the government somewhere.

 

[Don Quixote]

they don't. that's kind of the point. they (government) force most of us to do it, so why shouldn't they?

what happens when a cop encounters an armed criminal committing a crime...and is alone?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

what happens when a cop encounters an armed criminal committing a crime...and is alone?

When are cops EVER 'alone'? If there is even the slightest hint of possible need for force they call and wait for at least 6 other people.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

When are cops EVER 'alone'? If there is even the slightest hint of possible need for force they call and wait for at least 6 other people.

Is that because that's prudent SOP, dictated by rules police are expected to follow?

 

[Don Quixote]

When are cops EVER 'alone'? If there is even the slightest hint of possible need for force they call and wait for at least 6 other people.

ok, what if two or more cops encounter an armed criminal and they are not armed

 

[Mott the Hoople]

maybe when they sent him, however, it appears at the time of the murders he snapped. i don't if he did or not, i'm just saying intent and therefore, capacity, does in fact matter. it will matter with regards to what type of homocide he is guilty of. i have no doubt he will unlikely see freedom again in his lifetime.

and he damned well may be executed.

 

[WinterBorn]

so we should have limited service folks to one deployment maybe?

I think with each deployment the mental state of the individual should be examined.

I am not excusing his actions, but based on what I have read the guy snapped and went crazy. That does not mean he should not be held responsible, but it does mean his diminished capacity should have a bearing on his punishment.

Being in a war zone has a profound effect on mental stability.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

I would even WANT to live with no arms. Can't even wipe yourself.

 

[christiefan915]

but what if 4 tours in combat gave him such PTSD that he's gone mental? is that deserving of life without parole?

Is it possible to have such severe PTSD that military docs wouldn't have diagnosed it? Initial reports indicated "he returned to the base after the shooting and turned himself in." So it looks like he wasn't so deranged that he didn't know what he was doing.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...an-governments-afghan-control/2#ixzz1ouFh6PpJ
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