Obama could win my vote...

Dixie said:
SuperTard, since you don't seem to have a clue, let me reveal for you what the left means when they use the phrase 'deductions and loopholes' blah blah blah.... They mean your mortgage interest deduction and 401k. They can't come out and say that, because normal people would reject it, but that's what it means.
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Yeah, I don't think I will let a retard that doesn't understand 1/3 tell me what someone else 'thinks/means' given his obvious inability to 'think' himself.
 
Dixie said:
Obama proposed what? Obama gave a fucking speech and reeled off a bunch of liberal platitudes, and you nuzzled up to the teat for a suckle! Obama hasn't ever presented a plan for anything in his life, and he hasn't presented anything here. He just needs for you to accept the idea that we should eliminate 'deductions and loopholes' because of their 'unfairness' to the 99%.

I agree, our tax code is ridiculous, but you don't fix that by allowing socialists to perform social justice with it! Idiot!
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Poor little ditzie... most people that create fantasy worlds do so to make a better world for them to 'live' in. Your fantasy world actually makes you more miserable. I feel quite sorry for you.
 
A clearer understanding of the Obama tax gimmick...

US Corp's that profit from goods made and/or sold overseas and invested or spent that profit overseas will, under the Obama tax plan, be liable to have that money confiscated through taxes.....
This is money that never entered the country and was not earned in this country.....
This is money that was earned as profit overseas and was NEVER brought into this country....

This is noting but legalized embezzlement of successful business's dreamed up by the Democrats......

This is nothing like what Conservatives could or should support....
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...o-28-percent/2012/02/22/gIQA1sjdSR_story.html

If he starts actively pushing tax code changes like the above, he could win my vote. While it is not as far as I would go, it is the correct path to walk.

Drop the marginal rates, eliminate the deductions and loopholes. Do it both on the corporate side as well as the personal income brackets and you have a winning policy.
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I almost had to lay down when I read the title of the thread and the name under it, will the dumb and dumber twins let this happen?
 
Superfreak said:
Ditzie your 'argument' was filled with errors.

First and foremost is the fact that I am not (nor is the article) talking about just the elimination of loopholes/deducations/subsidies. It is talking about simplification of the tax code. That is and should be a priority for ALL conservatives. But you see that Obama proposed it so you feel the need to run around stomping your feet and crying socialist.

This isn't about anyone paying a 'fair share'. This is about taking a 70k page tax code and simplifying it. The simpler you make it, the harder it is to commit fraud.
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Exactly, good point, simple is better when it comes to government.
 
Obama wants those firms to pay a minimum tax on their foreign earnings.
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let's imagine a company does business in 37 different countries......let us suppose all 37 countries decide to charge a 5% tax on all profits earned by the company regardless of where they are earned......total taxes owed by the company are therefore 185% of the companies income......result?........
 
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Superfreak said:
Yeah, I don't think I will let a retard that doesn't understand 1/3 tell me what someone else 'thinks/means' given his obvious inability to 'think' himself.
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I understand 1/3 perfectly, you are apparently retarded in your understanding if you believe 1 is evenly divisible by 3. If you wish to convert your thread from a profound discussion of your idiotic views on socialist tax policies, to simple math division problems, then we can do that. I currently hold the record for most posts on a topic with "1/3" and I'll be glad to pad my lead, if that's where you want to go with this... I figured you for more the type who would want to make your case and refute the points raised, but I guess not, huh?

Superfreak said:
Poor little ditzie... most people that create fantasy worlds do so to make a better world for them to 'live' in. Your fantasy world actually makes you more miserable. I feel quite sorry for you.
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What fantasy world do you think I am living in? The facts of life are, whenever we increase the tax burden on top wage earners, we have less revenue as a result. Deductions are specific exceptions in the tax code we have made through the years after much deliberation over how to deal with a particular problem, and if we eliminate these, the problem will likely come back. That's not to say that we can't objectively evaluate various deductions and trim a few, or make adjustments, maybe even even eliminate things we can live without... if we are going to keep the current tax code and not adopt a flat tax. But to stand up and proclaim the liberals are right, and we need to punish the rich by taking away their 'deductions and loopholes' so they can't screw us... well, that's just plain STOOOOOPID.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...o-28-percent/2012/02/22/gIQA1sjdSR_story.html

If he starts actively pushing tax code changes like the above, he could win my vote. While it is not as far as I would go, it is the correct path to walk.

Drop the marginal rates, eliminate the deductions and loopholes. Do it both on the corporate side as well as the personal income brackets and you have a winning policy.
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Obama could win YOUR vote!!!!!!!!!!

OK. HA. HA. Very funny. You're a bit early for an April fool joke.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...o-28-percent/2012/02/22/gIQA1sjdSR_story.html

If he starts actively pushing tax code changes like the above, he could win my vote. While it is not as far as I would go, it is the correct path to walk.

Drop the marginal rates, eliminate the deductions and loopholes. Do it both on the corporate side as well as the personal income brackets and you have a winning policy.
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while i agree, i doubt that it would ever get past congress, especially the republicans
 
Wow SF... this should really be telling you something but it isn't.... Crashk, Mott and DonQ all slapping you on the back for your brilliance! While the truest of conservatives tell you what an idiot dupe you're being. Familiar position, isn't it, PINHEAD?
 
Dixie said:
Wow SF... this should really be telling you something but it isn't.... Crashk, Mott and DonQ all slapping you on the back for your brilliance! While the truest of conservatives tell you what an idiot dupe you're being. Familiar position, isn't it, PINHEAD?
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sf's error is to believe the claim that this is something more than a simple tax increase.......he's bought the propaganda without reading the subtext.....either that or he's bought the farm and is moving to the "it's not fair" crowd.......

tripling the tax on dividends, extending the reach of the IRS to money's not earned in the US, increasing the tax on capital gains......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sf's error is to believe the claim that this is something more than a simple tax increase.......he's bought the propaganda without reading the subtext.....either that or he's bought the farm and is moving to the "it's not fair" crowd.......

tripling the tax on dividends, extending the reach of the IRS to money's not earned in the US, increasing the tax on capital gains......
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SF's error is to buy into the left's 1/99% argument. I admit, it is easy to do, in the name of trying to remain moderately above the fray, but the entire narrative is rooted in Marxist Socialism. This is exactly how we ended up with the Pill Bill, and some might argue to an extent, what ushered in Obamacare. It starts out with the most harmless platitude, which appeals to emotion... Poor old people can't afford their medicine... repeated a million times with a million unrealistic scenarios, all tugging at our heartstrings until we just can't take it anymore, and we go along with the premise.... once that happens, the floodgates of liberal socialist government opens wide, to "fix" the problem by raising taxes, expanding government's intrusion in our lives, and running up debt. All they have to do is convince the SF's of the world, and they know this. They also know how easy it is to do. All they had to do here was continue repeating the OWS mantra, it took less than 6 months for SF to 'come around' and now he's ready to go along with this seemingly harmless idea of eliminating our tax deductions.

Now, if you had a crazy uncle who thumped you in the head every time he saw you, you'd think over time, you'd learn to expect it... SF is oblivious. He is simply too shallow and self-absorbed to listen to me, or anyone else, for that matter. In his head, he is being objective and sophisticated, and people like me are just moronic idiots who don't know what they are talking about, and incapable of comprehending his superior level of intellect on the subject. Whenever you hear liberal talking heads speaking of eliminating "deductions and loopholes" it means they want to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction and the tax protections for your 401k assets. This might effect the Trump's and Gates' of the world, but it will also effect most middle-class American families who own homes and have 401ks.

Liberals have been eyeballing our 401k assets since we created 401ks. There are billions in taxes which could be collected on our 401k accounts, they just need to convince enough SF's of the world to accept the argument and go along with "eliminating deductions and loopholes."
 
Dixie said:
I understand 1/3 perfectly, you are apparently retarded in your understanding if you believe 1 is evenly divisible by 3. If you wish to convert your thread from a profound discussion of your idiotic views on socialist tax policies, to simple math division problems, then we can do that. I currently hold the record for most posts on a topic with "1/3" and I'll be glad to pad my lead, if that's where you want to go with this... I figured you for more the type who would want to make your case and refute the points raised, but I guess not, huh?
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ROFLMAO... you are proud of the fact that the '1/3' thread has 'most posts'??? Well congrats! your thread has the most posts of people jumping on to mock your stupidity.

Refute what points ditzie? You proclaimed you 'knew' what Obama 'meant'. You made no point.

What fantasy world do you think I am living in? The facts of life are, whenever we increase the tax burden on top wage earners, we have less revenue as a result. Deductions are specific exceptions in the tax code we have made through the years after much deliberation over how to deal with a particular problem, and if we eliminate these, the problem will likely come back.
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While this may be the case for some deductions and loopholes, it is not valid for the majority. The majority of the loopholes and deductions were written as favors to those who bribed/lobbied their politicians. Others may have made sense at one time, but are ridiculous today as they are outdated. 70k pages of tax code ditzie. 70,000.

That's not to say that we can't objectively evaluate various deductions and trim a few, or make adjustments, maybe even even eliminate things we can live without... if we are going to keep the current tax code and not adopt a flat tax. But to stand up and proclaim the liberals are right, and we need to punish the rich by taking away their 'deductions and loopholes' so they can't screw us... well, that's just plain STOOOOOPID.
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Again dearest little ditzie... this isn't about 'punishing' anyone. READ what was written. They will DROP the top marginal rate and eliminate some of the corporate loopholes/deductions. They are doing EXACTLY what a conservative should want. Lowering the top marginal rate can help ALL businesses. While eliminating loopholes and deductions that are no longer necessary only effects those companies who no longer need them.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...o-28-percent/2012/02/22/gIQA1sjdSR_story.html

If he starts actively pushing tax code changes like the above, he could win my vote. While it is not as far as I would go, it is the correct path to walk.

Drop the marginal rates, eliminate the deductions and loopholes. Do it both on the corporate side as well as the personal income brackets and you have a winning policy.
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I would personally actually make the rate lower. The corporate tax rate is the most internationally competitive tax, unfortunately. Corporate assets are highly liquid, and they just move them wherever possible in order to avoid paying taxes. Of course, lowering the American tax too far could just prompt a tax war that will ultimately leave corporations pretty much everywhere not paying taxes while individuals pick up the tab.
 
Dixie said:
Wow SF... this should really be telling you something but it isn't.... Crashk, Mott and DonQ all slapping you on the back for your brilliance! While the truest of conservatives tell you what an idiot dupe you're being. Familiar position, isn't it, PINHEAD?
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LMAO... truest of conservatives? you might be the most brainwashed, but you are not a true conservative if you don't like this proposal. It is not by any means the extent it needs to go to, but it is a step along the correct path. Or do you now think that we should keep corporate tax rates high? why do YOU want to punish the corporations with higher marginal tax rates ditzie? Why mr. truest of conservatives?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sf's error is to believe the claim that this is something more than a simple tax increase.......he's bought the propaganda without reading the subtext.....either that or he's bought the farm and is moving to the "it's not fair" crowd.......

tripling the tax on dividends, extending the reach of the IRS to money's not earned in the US, increasing the tax on capital gains......
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1) There is nothing to 'buy' until an actual proposal showing what deductions and loopholes will be eliminated.

2) The CONCEPT however, is something every conservative should support. Yes, it should raise revenues. You see, we actually have to PAY for what we use... unless you are the sort that thinks we should just pass the bill on to future generations???

3) ALL income SHOULD be taxed at the same rate. Period.
 
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